he regularly did it though
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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Right, when that’s pretty much what every keeper does in almost every penalty?
Whatever man, we’re never gonna agree so we’re gonna have to disagree (which is a shame because Berbas should stick together
)I'm watching the match and have seen it. Should be a penalty, what do you want me to do about it?
Not really he does that thing where you stop and face the defender square on to avoid it, but not when you’re running side on.
Not sure how you can give that penalty against Lindelof and then not that one against Gabriel an hour later. It’s a farce
They're being stricter about enforcing it this season apparently.Right, when that’s pretty much what every keeper does in almost every penalty?
Whatever man, we’re never gonna agree so we’re gonna have to disagree (which is a shame because Berbas should stick together
Well they better be consistent or I’ll Errm complaint about it online!
honestly that was just a throw away observation that I made in that it was ironic that he gave away a penalty for that.
That's fair enough I hope they are more consistent too.
I've honestly seen him do it side on too
Spot on. Absolutly spot on.
You can find better refs in Greenland and Antartica than what we have. Absolutly shocking how bad it is. They should all resign and let a dog or lemur take care of games.
Gabriel's wasn't a penalty on seeing it again.
With the same bunch of pricks in the VAR room. Pathetic.
See my post. It was proven to be the right decision.
That's fair enough then, if it was briefed in the summer break.
He's off his line, but pretty much every penalty save I remember seeing recently the keeper was off his line. I do hope there is consistency with applying this, but I am very doubtful.
This, if they go on to be consistent I’m okay with it, or if they do that thing where they drop it after 3 weeks then I’ll be fuming.
No it wasn’t. Just because someone draws an imaginary drawing to justify the indefensible doesn't make it right. The new rule says shoulder is not handball. I don’t know how one can argue that the ball hit Gabriel’s shoulder than arm??
The other angle the ball looks awfully close to his elbow mind you.Because you can see that it did hit his shoulder and not his arm...
If you watch it live rather than a freeze frame you can clearly see it hit his arm.Because you can see that it did hit his shoulder and not his arm...
Because you can see that it did hit his shoulder and not his arm...
That looks like arm rather than shoulder to me
The first penalty claim was a stonewaller too. Fair to say whoever's in the VAR room for this is an Arsenal fan
I don't think it's clear at all. Under the new rules that's acceptable where it hits him.
They have introduced a new rule showing where the shoulder stops and arm starts. I think it's within the new limit.That looks like arm rather than shoulder to me
The first penalty claim was a stonewaller too. Fair to say whoever's in the VAR room for this is an Arsenal fan
Hmm. I mean the ball is literally where the sleeve on his shirt ends. I've never known that to be considered shoulder but fair enough.
This is one of the biggest issues for me, it’s all subjective, one day the Var “overlooker” will say yes and then the next match it’s someone else and they say no. It’ll be an interesting season in terms of penalties and goalkeeper encroachments.
The new rule considers handball to start from the bottom of the armpit. Everything above is fine. I think it's really close in that instance, and I think the two angles are inconclusive.
Just hearing about the new regulations, sounds like hand ball and penalty retake were the correct decisions.
Players and fans are just going to adjust and get used to it.
Players and fans are just going to adjust and get used to it.
It's just too close to definitively say one way or another. Like I have said under the new law I think it's probably the correct decision.
This is the actual IFAB 20/21 rules page regarding handball. Interesting it says "it is an offence even if the ball touches a players hand/arm directly from the head/body/foot of a player who is close"
I just don't think you can argue lindelofs arm is in an unnatural position that makes him bigger. He is literally running as naturally as a person can
It's at shoulder height.
If De Gea’s penalty save is the new standard for penalties being retaken this season and the rule is consistently applied, there’s surely going to be stacks of penalties retaken. Unless every keeper has been briefed by their coaches and changed their penalty saving style. Seemed incredibly harsh to me. Not seen another penalty saved this season tbf.
Never a penalty. Absolutely pathetic. Killing the game when an hour later an actual penalty isn’t given because sleeve. They gave one against Bailly though.
The rule changed this season.
I don't think it is to be honest. It certainly isn't "above/beyond shoulder level" at any rate, which is what's stipulated in the ifab page you just posted.
Its perfectly in keeping with his run. If Atkinson didn't give it for that reason not even Hodgson would claim it. There wasn't even a claim, and separately its not at that height
I think his hand is high enough to warrant the penalty.
So the answer seems to be wear longer/long sleeved shirts.... That'll show 'em.
If you watch it live it clearly hits towards the end of the sleeve, almost near the elbow. Even with the new rules I wont call it hitting the shoulder.Because you can see that it did hit his shoulder and not his arm...
More pertinently, why did they bring this new definition? Its provides no more clarity than before and is rather pointless.