RedCafe Cricket Draft

Brendon McCullum (WK):.
While not the most steady of players, he can bruise any attack. He will lend strength to my lower order. He has 173 catches and 11 stumpings putting him close to the all time NZ record.
At his peak, he was playing at both no 2 and no 7 position having seasons with 50+ average in both
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Wasim Akram
Greatest fast bowler EVER.
End story. Can bat. Highest score of 257.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGgRK2FAaQ
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Dominic Cork
One of those childhood heroes. Could swing the ball late and was deadly with the seam. He is probably one of the best English quickies of recent times and took 5wickets 5 times. Could bat, ie was a proper hang in there tail wagger with 3 fifties.
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Saqlain Mushtaq:
One of the most talented spinners. Again few videos will prove it. Another tail ender who annoyed, ask any Indian fan. Has a hundred to his name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqJuKRYMp8A&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL23C28B247116EEF1 :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUs_cKPjrYQ
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Umar Gul
Wanted somebody quick, who could swing and most importantly, reverse swing. Umar Gul has lately become one of the most deadly bowlers on the planet with his Yorkers.
Can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH-fuCZ32M8
Taken 158 wickets in 45 matches at the average of 33 but that doesn’t do him justice due to an awkward start to his career. He has blossomed only lately.
 
I'm ready whenever you want to kick off the thread. The power issues are sorted.
 
[Wasim Akram
Greatest fast bowler EVER.
End story. Can bat. Highest score of 257.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGgRK2FAaQ
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I'm afraid thats not the end of the story.

He might be the best fast bowler you've seen.
He might be the best left arm quick ever.
But, he is NOT the greatest fast bowler ever. No one who's watched Marshall bowl at his best would agree. If you don't want subjective opinions, compare the stats

Average Marshall 20.94 Vs. Akram 23.62
Strike rate Marshall 46.7 Vs. Akram 54.6

I suppose you'll start about how Marshall was supported by the gang while Akram had to do a lot more himself but even among the greatest fast bowling attack ever, Marshall stood out. He took an average of 2.5 wickets every innings he played competing with the likes of Garner and Holding early on in his career and Walsh and Ambrose later in it.

Malcolm Marshall was the greatest bowler of all time.

Edit: I put Marshall's career figures in there after Zen pointed out my mistake.
 
I'm afraid thats not the end of the story.

He might be the best fast bowler you've seen.
He might be the best left arm quick ever.
But, he is NOT the greatest fast bowler ever. No one who's watched Marshall bowl at his best would agree. If you don't want subjective opinions, compare the stats

Average Marshall 19.85 Vs. Akram 23.62
Strike rate Marshall 44.9 Vs. Akram 54.6

I suppose you'll start about how Marshall was supported by the gang while Akram had to do a lot more himself but even among the greatest fast bowling attack ever, Marshall stood out. He took an average of 2.6 wickets every innings he played competing with the likes of Garner and Holding early on in his career and Walsh and Ambrose later in it.

Malcolm Marshall was the greatest bowler of all time.
Yeah I don't agree with him on Akram either. Infact for me even Ambrose > Akram.
 
And frankly, IL I appreciate all your effort, boy you are also trying to sway a lot of voters by untruths.

Case in point Umar Gul:

For starters, he averages 40 away from home

His average since 2008- 35.21

Nothing to do with a bad start etc,, he is just an average test bowler at best. If anything his test performance lately has been even poorer. Last 2 years bowling average- 34. He would be a fantastic pick for an ODI side, an below average one for test.
 
Yeah but IL's overselling his team in general tbf(bolding cherry picked peaks and other stuff), we'll see how that kind of tactic works on voters soon. Also what have you taken out for Marshalls stats to be lower than his career stats?
 
I was doing my write-up and a quick question for those who're interested. Here's my 12

Graeme Smith (c)
Geoff Marsh
Allan Lamb
Aravinda de Silva
Michael Clarke
Brian McMillan
Jeff Dujon (wk)
Heath Streak
Dion Nash/Angelo Mathews
Anil Kumble (vc)
Glenn McGrath

Should I go Dion Nash or Angelo Mathews

They're both allrounder-ish

Nash was clearly the better bowler. 93 wickets at 28.5. Decent batsman, average of 23; 3 fifties and a century.
Angelo's better batsman with an average of 39 and getting better but he's obviously the worse bowler 9 wickets at 69 though he's not bowled as much in tests as he's bowled in the shorter versions due to his injury problems.

I have the feeling Angelo could be the bigger vote winner though Nash is probably better for the balance of my team.
 
I don't rate Mathews as a test player what so ever so I would personally go for Nash.

Anyway where is the thread for the match #2?
 
Yeah but IL's overselling his team in general tbf(bolding cherry picked peaks and other stuff), we'll see how that kind of tactic works on voters soon. Also what have you taken out for Marshalls stats to be lower than his career stats?

Ah sorry. I had my spreadsheet set for figures from 81 onwards (since thats what the draft was about) and lazily looked it up on that instead of going to the Bible. Missed a year or two.
 
Still insane really. I'd probably have both in my all-time(well 70-ish onwards) team. Their batting prowess puts them above a lot.
 
I'm not really capable of doing a team pre-80 since I wouldn't know how to pick people I haven't seen play but you would obviously have both of them in.

The bowling for me would be
Akram
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

You'd have Kallis as the fifth bowler

The batting's more debatable.
 
I'm replying from my phone so I'll keep it short

1. Sorry, R-I I didn't include quickies before 80. My bad.

2. Crappy: yeah, Gul exactly hasn't hit his peak in tests like he has in ODIs but to call him average is harsh. He is a fine wicket taking bowler. I did not picture him as a world beater as you can see.

3. I'm not cherry picking facts. I'm just trying to present peaks. I term that as 2-2.5 years. If I can show a longer period than that, I don't think its unfair since I'm giving you'll a better sample.


If there are any untruth's I'm happy to be corrected. Point being, I'm not trying to glorify my team. I'm just trying to present what I think and their performances at their peak.
 
For everyone highlighting peaks - whether we like it or not, most are going to vote on the overall careers. It is something we have to deal with. I don't care if "Player X" peaked and played like Tendulkar for a year - or bowled like Marshall for a year. If he was crap or average most of his career, I don't care if he had a good season. That's how I look at it, and I think others will too.
 
To go on, at his absolute "peak", on a spinner friendly wicket, Murali or Warne could bowl an entire team out. Dravid could bat all 5 days. It just doesn't make sense, even if that's what the OP says.
 
Jeez, nm. Use whatever criteria you think best. I'm just trying to present as much info as I can. And I've quite hard on getting it so that people can make informed decisions.


My strategy;
I think I have a balanced team.
Batting: I bat till Akram post which I have a couple of guys who can plant their bat. But my batting plays till 8. I have a mixture of talented cricketers and established stars. I look at his bowling and I think there is not much damage he can do.

Bowling: again, depth and variety. 4 seamers. Akram: left hand swing. Cork: right hand swing. Gul: right arm quick and watson with his accurate bowling. Mushtaq is a truly great offie with capacity to run through batting

WK: reliable McCullum

I think I can outplay him in all departments of the game.

You'll can start the poll
 
IL I'm starting the second match. You're ready to post the stuff.
Who are the opponents?
 
Ok, some questions on picking a player from your opponent's team:

1. How long do you have to choose?

2. Do you need to state who you are dropping up front? For example, do you say 'I swop player x for player y'?

3. Where do we state this? In the match thread?

4. Most importantly, does the nationality limit still apply?
 
Ok, some questions on picking a player from your opponent's team:

1. How long do you have to choose?

2. Do you need to state who you are dropping up front? For example, do you say 'I swop player x for player y'?

3. Where do we state this? In the match thread?

4. Most importantly, does the nationality limit still apply?
Think you should give your choice before the next match ends.

And yeah, he should take someone's place.

Nationality limit should defo hold as well IMO but KM can have a final ruling on that.
 
Jeez, nm. Use whatever criteria you think best. I'm just trying to present as much info as I can. And I've quite hard on getting it so that people can make informed decisions.


My strategy;


You'll can start the poll

I wasn't aiming that at you but in general.
 
Was Ambrose better than Akram? I'm not sure. Its certainly debatable.

For me Marshall's a step above and then there's Akram, Ambrose and McGrath - greats but not quite the greatest.

The likes of Walsh, Younis and Steyn are on the next rung though Steyn's certainly looking like he's going to make the step up.
 
Ok, some questions on picking a player from your opponent's team:

1. How long do you have to choose?

2. Do you need to state who you are dropping up front? For example, do you say 'I swop player x for player y'?

3. Where do we state this? In the match thread?

4. Most importantly, does the nationality limit still apply?

Think you should give your choice before the next match ends.

And yeah, he should take someone's place.

Nationality limit should defo hold as well IMO but KM can have a final ruling on that.

To add to the above questions and crappy's response, see below from my match thread. We have not made it clear how this is going to work. Can we please have clarity?


Are we replacing players? I thought you get 1 more for your subs bench.

You see now, that's why I asked in the draft thread. No clear rules have been defined for picking this player. You can't do bench because it becomes silly with the national limit, at least that's my opinion.

It gives you greater flexibility towards the end when you meet strong opposition. Team selection will come into play.

Yes it does but then the silly national limit has to be increased. It has to be done like the knockout fantasy competitions are usually.

I think KM can take a call on that. Personally, I think you can take a 4th player of the same nationality but only 3 can play.
 
Hmm...thats an interesting discussion. I assumed we'd have to drop one and pick one but someone going into the final with a 15 man squad sounds about right.

And Interval's maximum of 3 players from the same country in the playing XI sounds like an elegant solution.

Lets do it that way.
 
You can have more than 3 players of one nationality in a squad but not in the playing XI. Basically I'm echoing what IL said.
 
1. 16 Stretch Vs. 2. 13 MJJ

3. 1 KM Vs. 4. 14 Mightberight

5. 15 Donadol Vs. 6. 5 Zen

7. 12 Crappy Vs. 8. 9 kps88

9. 10 R-Indian Vs. 10. 11 Desert Eagle

11. 6 Interval Vs. 12. 4 Unitedfan 101

13. 2 Omar Vs. 14. 7 ha rooney

15. 8 nm03 Vs. 16. 3 AldoRaine18
Up today, Donadol. You should have your write up ready by 5pm IST.
 
Dunno, but heres my report or whatever. Quite quickly becomes more words than expected tbh.

I'm not doing some huge strategy overview, but decided on 5 bowlers rather than going with Goodwin as my tail is long enough to make up for no truly fantastic batsmen in the draft pool, all three of my specialist pace bowlers are proven just as much away from home as they are at home, between Gough and Gillespie, I've got bowlers who are some of best travelling to the subcontinent. Franklin is more than adequate at giving them rests every now and then , and then Vettori as my specialist spinner, his 350+ wickets are testament to his consistency.

Sidhu - Specialist opener vs spin giving both Warne and Murali a tough time. Solid 42 average, which is slightly better if you ignore the fact he didn't really bother vs Zimbabwe.

Vaughan (C) - Far better as an opener than anywhere else, averaging 45. Also my captain, where his strength came through, exceptional leader for England bringing back the Ashes in 2005 that we all. Somewhat suspect as times, but capable of playing all styles, and had some great series overseas although not consistent as it should of been. Ignoring his final few injured plagued years and his stats look even more respectable.

Andrew Jones - Probably where I lose most votes to the unknown, but he's a very adequate middle order pick for where I took, averaging mid 40's again, keeping his best for probably Australia and having a fine tandem with his fellow top order batsmen of the time Crowe, leading NZ to some solid results for the time. Kinda suspect in the subcontinent, but that's nothing to be ashamed, plenty of greats are too.

Azhar Ali - Only guy I have whos still really playing and growing, but a 45 average is more than respectable for the third position especially considering he's never even played on home field(yet), has shown of weakness vs Englands pace bowling, but still posted some solid innings and hasn't really shown any true ultra weaknesses thus far.

Damien Martyn - From his return to the line up in the early 00's, he posted a near 49 average, which is over 50 against the elite nations(his worst averages being against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies), and 40+ in every nation he's played, incredibly consistency, competent at the worst against every attack, not many made batting look so flawless when in full flow.

James Franklin - In the squad more for his bowling than his batting, but he's a solid batter, but his 33 average with the ball is why he's here more, which like all of my pace bowlers, improved even more away from home, averaging 25 for 34 wickets. Batting isn't too shabby either at 21 with a century in South Africa, but not too worried over that, since my tail is very long anyway.

Adam Gilchrist - Changed the face of cricket as much as anyone has really, not man choose specialist wicket keepers anymore because of him, a complete game changer capable of turning draws or in some cases a loss into wins with incredibly quick scores. Might of played in one of the greatest teams of all-time, but his importance to it is never under estimated. Scored a century against every nation and in every nation he played against(only Zimbabwe), and the best or at worst, second best(if you have Boucher) with the gloves of his generation. I personally think his batting career could of been a lot better had he been a opener for tests, and was mulling with that, but not going to take the risk based off of like one failed attempt at it.

Daniel Vettori - Playing him at eighth due to it being by far his best position(averages nearly 40 there), and where he could assist Gilchrist supremely in finishing off big scores or saving a collapse with a strong partnership. Has scored 50 in every nation, and 100's vs the attacks of India and Sri Lanka, dare I use it, but at his peak, he was averaging above 40 between 2005-09. One of the best spinners in the draft, even if his average sells him short, I'd have him slightly above Harbajhan Singh as well he doesn't have the luxury of India being his home unlike him.

Jason Gillespie - Might of played 3rd cog to McGrath and Warne, but was still very important to that attack, the opening tandum of him and McGrath was up there with the best opening pairs, it could end an innings before it even started. To go with Goughs brilliance in Sri Lanka and Pakistan, Gillespie was brilliant in India, arguably one of Australias best there. Once again, another very good lower order batsmen, even ignoring his 201 not out, his average is still 15.

Darren Gough - Englands best bowler in the draft, though I think Anderson is capable of taking over him in time, but Gough is proven career wide and for the most part carried a weaker attack than Anderson did, home and away, and most importantly on the sub continent, where he was one of the best, giving England a fighting chance in both Sri Lanka and Pakistan. Handy lower order batsmen too.

Angus Fraser - Great consistency and probably just behind Anderson in the England stakes of the modern era, solid average of 28(177 wickets), and a great travelling bowler, where he averages 25, despite never getting the chance to prove if he could do it on the subcontinent due to injuries. A proper 11th man though in the batting lineup, but my tail is more than long enough to make for that.

Strong batting line up, good fielding, and good bowling, happy with my team even if I do lose. Good luck Don.

Because I probably won't be around to update the thread too much, though I'll try and defend myself as much as possible on the phone ;)
 
Here we go...

Well, first and foremost, while picking my draft I decided to pick players who make my squad a balanced, fighting unit, because I do honestly believe a great Test team requires that balance, and compromising on a spot like opening or the middle order or the strike bowling option in lieu of the other can be quite detrimental.

I'm going with the following team.

Saeed Anwar - One of the most elegant strokeplayers of the 90s along with Lara and Waugh. Anwar was capable of single-handedly changing the nature of a game. With no evident weaknesses against the pacers or the spinners and with his wide range of shots, Anwar was, for a time regarded as one of the best in the business along with Sachin. An average of 50 while opening in Tests (it's 45 overall after his failed experiments in the middle order) make him one of the best openers for Pakistan in the last 20 odd years.

Michael Atherton - To complement Anwar's free stroke-playing abaility, I have the dour, dogged Atherton, England's captain at 25, scorer of 16 centuries. His average of 41 batting at number 2 doesn't do him complete justice, but he made his name as the best batsman of the 90s for England. A determined 98 against a fuming Donald and co remains one of the most memorable innings of late. Excellent slip fielder.

Kumar Sangakkara - Possibly the greatest wicket-keeper batsman, and among the greatest number 3's of all time, with 30 centuries (8 double centuries), an average of 56 overall (almost 70 at number 3), centuries against every test playing nation, and to top that, each of his highest scores against those nations is 150+. When he gets past that piddly 100 mark, Sangakkara makes it count. And all this at a relatively pacy average SR of 54. An excellent captain and strategist to boot. 168 catches, 20 stumpings.

Mark Waugh - I love my team, and I love it purely because the sight of Mark Waugh walking nonchalantly out to bat, collars up and fluttering was possibly one of the greatest sights while growing up watching cricket. A peerless stroke player, he could make batting looking absolutely effortless. With no apparent weaknesses against spin or pace, he was one of the triumvirate which battled it out for the 'Best Current Batsman' title (largely in my head) along with Anwar and Sachin.

A vital part of the great Aussie teams under Taylor and Waugh, Mark enjoyed a healthy average of 50 (career average of 42), with 6 centuries, against an England team almost always comprising of Fraser and Gough. Waugh was also a handy offspinner(59 wickets, best bowling of 5/40), and amongst the best slip fielders ever, with 181 catches.

Kevin Pietersen - One of the most dangerous batsmen in the modern game, Pietersen is yet another player in my team capable of turning a game on its head. With 20 centuries in 87 matches, and a strike rate of 63, Pietersen can give middle order that impetus when he walks in at 300 or 400-3. A safe fielder, and less than decent bowler. His Test average in nearly 50 and looks set to improve as he finally looks to be coming into his own as a premier batsman of our time.

Carl Hooper - Coming in at number 6, Hooper is another of my favourites from the 90s and a splendid option to have in the middle order. A calm, level headed player capable of ripping the best spinners apart when in the mood, Hooper has a highest score of 233 and 13 centuries in Test cricket, but probably did not do full justice to his batting as his career average of 36 odd suggests. Towards to latter stages of his career, however, his average takes a massive jump to 50.

In 102 matches, Hooper, with his languid, measured action, took 114 wickets, with 4 five-fors. He, along with Waugh would provide my spinning options. Another excellent slipper with 115 catches.

Hansie Cronje - At 7, he is a position below where he or I would like him to be, but Hansie, as a captain and cricketer showed more than enough drive and ruthlessness to care more about the good of the team, until that fateful day in 1999-00. A number 7 with an average of 36, 6 centuries, and a bowling average of 29. Captain at 24, Hansie led SA to 27 victories and 11 losses in 53 tests, an outstanding record. Fantastic player of spin and pace and excellent fielder.

Lance Klusener - To be honest, I hadn't even factored in Lance's outstanding 174 (after coming in at 153/5) against England when I picked him. I remember watching that match in Kolkata (?) when he took an 8 for on debut with his direct, attacking, two-length bowling. Injuries in later years meant that he added subtle variations and guile, which got him 80 wickets in 49 matches. A gutsy, committed cricketer, he was one of the most feared hitters in international cricket for a time. A batting average of 32 in Test cricket, with 4 centuries.

Mohammed Amir - I won't even pretend this is anything other than a punt, and a consequence of the fact that this left handed pacer got me genuinely excited about cricket after a long period of dissonance. You get a gut feel about some players when you first see them. Notwithstanding the media attention on them, there are some who are genuinely worth that scrutiny. I fully believed this kid was one of them. Fantastic control on swing and pace, and that innate ability only the great bowlers have of making the ball follow their will. Only 14 tests, with 3 five fors and 2 four wicket hauls in an innings. He will provide the balance to my pace attack. A handy bat lower down the order.

Craig McDermott - He virtually carried the Aussie bowling for a time in the late 80s and early 90s. For a bowler plagued with injuries, it could be expected that he would have a loss in form or a drop in statistics, as it were. However, McDermott boasts quite outstanding figures for his time, 30 wickets in his first 6 Tests, 291 overall in 71 tests, with 14 five fors and 2 ten wicket hauls. Classic outswing bowler with immense experience, he's capable of taking on a larger burden of the bowling to complement Donald's attacking bursts.

Allan Donald - Few sights were as exciting in the 90s than of Allan Donald steaming in, sunscreen smeared like warpaint, cheeks puffed out, stretching every muscle in his body to hurl it with hostile, fearsome pace at a quaking batsman.With 330 wickets in 72 matches, he boasts the 5th best strike rate, 47.0, in the modern era (minimum 20 Tests), has a stupendous average of 22, and is capable of doing this...




Overall, I've tried to keep players who have little problem in opening up and upping the rate in Test matches because a score of 650 plus in less than 2 days is far more effective than the same score over 2.5 days. In Donald, McDermott, Amir, Klusener, Cronje, Hooper and Waugh, I have bowlers capable of picking up 20 wickets in a match supported ably by outstanding fielders and slippers. My captain will be Hansie Cronje.

All the best Zen.
 
So here we go with my team

1. Gary Kirsten - As solid as they come even of not a fancy or swashbuckling batsmen ala Vivs or Lara. If Germany had a proper cricket team, he would be in it given the efficient style of his batting. Was without any doubt SA's best batsmen before likes of Kallis arrived. Has 21 hundreds, first one to score a hundred against every test playing nation as well. Average of 45.34.

2. M. Hafeez - Simply an above average batsmen, in the side to provide a handy second spin option as the fifth bowler. Has an average of above 38. He has a solid enough technique to cope against any attack, but prone to mental lapses. As a bowler coming into his own as well over the last year.

3. Dravid (vc) - errrrr

4. Martin Crowe (c) - A smart cricketer, who is credited with introducing the cricket world to concepts such as pinch-hitters. That's just a value addition given he averages 45.77 as a batsman and is a former wisden cricketer of the year. Interestingly averages above 66 in Australia. Captain of the team, and his record in 16 tests as captain improves some bounds as well

5. Daryl Cullinan- If not for Dravid, would be batting at no.3 probably. Another supremely solid batsmen. Seems to be a forgotten one as well given he his understated style. Average of44.21

6. Misbah-ul-Haq- Arrived on the cricket scene with his heroics (or near heroics) in the first T20 WC. Has been one of the most solid Pak batsmen since then. Averages above 45. Also has shown good experience batting with tail-enders, which will be handy at no.6 position.

7. Chris Cairns - One of my fav crickters. Better all-rounder than Flintoff for my money. Batting average above 33 with 5 hundreds and a bowling average of 29.40, better than many of the other strike bowlers in this draft. Has 13 5-wickets haul to his name as well. Contender for the best third pace bowler in any team on this draft IMO.

8. Adam Parore(wk)- Wicketkeeper. Averages above 26 with the bat, with 2 hundreds and 14 fifties to his name. Not good enough to out bat an attack on his own but should provide good support to the batsmen above him. Holds the NZ record for most WK dismissals so a very safe keeper to have. Something that is being bizarrely overlooked in this competition. Your bowlers are going to suffer if your keeper keeps spilling stuff.

9. S. Macgill- I am one of those who believe if not for Warne, Macgill would have been the premier Oz spinner and would have been counted as one of the best to play the game. But alas, life is never fair, he was destined to live in the shadow of Warne and go down as a forgotten cricketer. Great turner of the ball and as a leg spinner would trouble many a batsmen. Bowling average of 29.02, strike rate of 54(better than Warne's!) One of his best bowling performances


10. C. Walsh- errr

11. Aldermann- Ah.. my sole controversial pick perhaps. Never saw him play but then we had to pick players who debuted after 1980. And I am sure many of the younger ones here picked some 90s players solely by their reputation, having never seen them play much. So I only am going to post his record here.. Average of 27.15, strike rate of 59.8, 170 wickets in 41 tests. Took 9 wickets on his debut, 42 wickets against England in his debut series! Wisden cricketer of the year in 82. His record would be better if not for a ban for playing in SA during apartheid period. Even after that ban, he came back and took 41 wickets in a series against Eng. All time leading wicket taker for Western Oz with 956 first class wickets. To give a taste of his bowling -




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Match specific tactics and musings


kps88's batting vs my bowling -
Pretty weak batting IMO. Jayasuriya averages 35 away from home. I would back Walsh to scoop him 9 out of 10 times. Azhar's average away from home - 36.40... Malik’s drops off away as well. Rest of his batsmen are average, bar may be Slater. None of which my bowlers should have a hard time getting them out. My attack will be Walsh and Aldermann to start, Cairns the third pacer, Macgill spinner and Hafeez second spinner/fifth bowler.


kps88's bowling vs my batting -

The only person that bothers me is Murali. I have three players from the subcontinent in my top 6 so that will help. Plus Cullinan has a great record against SL and also proved himself in India, it was only Warne's spin that bothered him. Kirsten and Crowe should cope fine enough as well. The other two main bowlers are Z.Khan and Flintoff. The latter is really more of a stock bowler and bar Hafeez, I don’t think anyone else in my batting order will be bothered by the bounce he can generate. Z. Khan I rate a lot when he is at his best but people like Kirsten, Dravid, Crowe, Cullinan, Cairns faced some of the best fast bowlers of all time and proved themselves good enough to survive against them. My tail is a big worry of course so yeah, there will be ample pressure on middle order to pile up runs. I think they are more than good enough to do that.
 
sorry lads been quite busy these last few days so forgive my lack of explanations in the voting threads.