Thanks. Perhaps every thread should have a rate me button like when you can put your ratings on the team after a match. Just 2 answers like and dislike. If after lets say 50 votes its disliked more than liked its locked.
Really - why did so many of you think Mourinho was better than LVG?
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Don’t care for that idea at all. The lack of “likes” is one of the better features of this forum.
If a thread has no merit or is otherwise pointless, it should be locked or deleted (obviously). But the fact that X amount of random posters on here “like” it or not should be entirely irrelevant.
If a thread has no merit or is otherwise pointless, it should be locked or deleted (obviously). But the fact that X amount of random posters on here “like” it or not should be entirely irrelevant.
It isn't. There is enough populism out there. I don't like the majority to tell me what is good to discuss and what isn't. If you don't like the thread, don't read it and don't post in it.
No it doesn't contradict. In Henry's analysis of himself he said Pep wants to keep the width as the build up happens but when you are in the last third, you are free.
Watch the first 2 minutes of it here.
When have you heard of any of our player describing LVG giving them 'freedom'.
Terrible idea.
Firstly - None of the threads on this site have any bearing on anything that happens in football. Someone making a negative thread doesn't have any impact on United's (or any team's) performance. And someone making a positive thread doesn't have any impact on United's (or any team's) performance.
So what makes this thread (for example) any worse than some 'The tide is turning' thread?
People would just be disliking threads they disagree with.
If you read a title/opening post and you don't like it, then close the thread and don't re-open it. Or is the idea of this forum for everyone to be 100% on the same wave-length and to be making the same threads each re-worded in 10 different ways?
Holy feck!
Yeah, suffice to say I'm more than a little late to the party here, but I showed up here to basically answer the topic's question with "Because Mourinho IS better than LvG?" but then I started reading stuff like the post that you quoted and.... wow. We truly live in a weird and wacky world sometimes, eh? =D
Moyes,
LVG
Or
mourinho.
Please go ahead and make a choice. And then tell us all how LVG and mou is the same.
Jeez.. I can't believe I have to answer this thread. This has been a new low.
LVG
Or
mourinho.
Please go ahead and make a choice. And then tell us all how LVG and mou is the same.
Jeez.. I can't believe I have to answer this thread. This has been a new low.
This.
There is nothing wrong with a high possession, high pressing game, but Van Gaal's bastardized version of it was so rigid and low risk that it completely missed the point. No use in having tonnes of possession and passes when none of that happens in attacking areas. I have seen many Utd fans (me included) state that they nearly lost interest in football the last year under Van Gaal. Not winning i can handle, but that dull shite we played made every match a chore to watch.
This really tells the whole story
The results under Mouhirno have not been great, but the football on display is much, much better and if you say you prefer to watch Van Gaals United ahead of Jose's United, you are either insane or a dirty liar
Quite, and perhaps add that enjoying watching our football is more important than winning trophies. Not that Van Gaal looked on track to win the league.
I didn't say you have to agree to anything. It's just clear as day that you don't like Jose and some arguments in your post were very questionable.
Firstly, it's impossible to compare LVG with Mourinho as they are managers from 2 different eras. LVG's biggest achievements were in 90s and even though LVG has more trophies than Mourinho, he won majority of them with Ajax where the league isn't the most competitive in the world, is it? Yes, he won Champions league but Mourinho did the same with Porto.
Secondly, I heard enough of this LVG's legacy BS. I feel it's just being used to cover his failures. The state he left Bayern and us - I would never call it a legacy. Watching us last year was a torture and not only because of the results. Football we played was just unbelievably bad and I seriously thought about taking a break for a bit as I felt watching us was a complete waste of time. This year even if we don't get the results we want, I am happy with the performances. No more of this possession BS. We play direct, create chances. I am happy with that. If we continue doing it, results will come.
You also say LVG should have been replaced "by someone like Klopp, Pep Guardiola or Mauricio Pochettino as they would have never taken a U-turn from all the work LVG has done". Klopp would have taken u-turn same way Jose did as they are a complete opposite of LVG. Pochettino? Why would we want a manager who has never won anything?
I think you never liked Mourinho and it's fair enough but saying LVG is a better manager... or suggesting Mourinho should retire after 1 bad season... C'mon. LVG brainwashed our players 2 years with some stupid philosophies, rules like "don't shoot first time" and play like robots. It will take time for players to forget all this nonsense but we are already much improved team from last season. Results will come.
I wouldn't say I'm a VG fan boy, he wasn't my choice to be manager but I knew what we were getting, and I take more umberance to the lack of knowledge of others and the rubbish they make up, I understand it's all opinions, mines is an opinion as well but some of them are so far off the mark it's laughable.
Also if we beleieve everything we read then there is another story that United dithered on the price as they didn't want to pay that much then Bayern simply out bid them as they agreed the fee straight away, also all the meetings Woodward had with the Benficas president in Manchester and London, so where is the truth.
He didn't block anything he didn't have the power to do that, if Woodward could make it happen then he would have, he doesn't answer to LVG.
However there is a story Woodward was keen to get the job done in January, but when you consider Sanches had only been playing for 2 months at that level you could see why LVG would slow that then.
This idea you've just put forward tho of him blocking it as he didn't want United to benefit from his signing is one of those laughable comments I'm sorry, as if you knew anything of LVG's history you'd know one of the things he regards most of his time at clubs is how he left them with a base to work from wilst unearthing gems.
The LVG horse has been flogged to death, please can we close this thread?
It's pretty clear that whatever LVG was trying he'd lost the players for the most part. This was after two years. The football was awful and not suited to the PL especially when teams parked the bus.
His signings were mostly huge flops- falcao, Depay, Di Maria, Bastian, Morgan and until jose came Rojo and darmian...
Benching Ander....it just wasn't working. It was as clear as day. I think the players didn't understand or fully buy into what he was trying to do. That's 7 signings listed above that didn't improve us in any significant way . Huge investment. Terrible performances and a squad low on morale and belief in what he was trying to achieve with them.
I think LVG got very lucky that rashford and martial stepped up and somewhat saved the season. It was an absolute car crash otherwise and nobody can tell me it was all about to click or we just needed one more player etc, it was steadily getting worse as our league position showed. He'd lost the players. When a squad believes in the manager anything is possible in football so why couldn't one of the most expensively assembled squads in football history perform? It's not like you'd have to be some miracle worker to at least challenge and play good football and sometimes grind out results or get a lucky win or draw.
Everyone is so fast to try and over complicate things. We have the power to sign whatever we need every window. This team shouldn't be far away at all now if the players LVG bought in are of the requisite standard. It's the way he tried to play football that wasn't working. He didn't leave some great legacy. The only legacy he left is that fans will be more accepting of patchy results if the football is even somewhat entertaining! How's that for a legacy?
His signings were mostly huge flops- falcao, Depay, Di Maria, Bastian, Morgan and until jose came Rojo and darmian...
Benching Ander....it just wasn't working. It was as clear as day. I think the players didn't understand or fully buy into what he was trying to do. That's 7 signings listed above that didn't improve us in any significant way . Huge investment. Terrible performances and a squad low on morale and belief in what he was trying to achieve with them.
I think LVG got very lucky that rashford and martial stepped up and somewhat saved the season. It was an absolute car crash otherwise and nobody can tell me it was all about to click or we just needed one more player etc, it was steadily getting worse as our league position showed. He'd lost the players. When a squad believes in the manager anything is possible in football so why couldn't one of the most expensively assembled squads in football history perform? It's not like you'd have to be some miracle worker to at least challenge and play good football and sometimes grind out results or get a lucky win or draw.
Everyone is so fast to try and over complicate things. We have the power to sign whatever we need every window. This team shouldn't be far away at all now if the players LVG bought in are of the requisite standard. It's the way he tried to play football that wasn't working. He didn't leave some great legacy. The only legacy he left is that fans will be more accepting of patchy results if the football is even somewhat entertaining! How's that for a legacy?
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The absolute state of this thread.
This.
There is nothing wrong with a high possession, high pressing game, but Van Gaal's bastardized version of it was so rigid and low risk that it completely missed the point. No use in having tonnes of possession and passes when none of that happens in attacking areas. I have seen many Utd fans (me included) state that they nearly lost interest in football the last year under Van Gaal. Not winning i can handle, but that dull shite we played made every match a chore to watch.
This really tells the whole story
The results under Mouhirno have not been great, but the football on display is much, much better and if you say you prefer to watch Van Gaals United ahead of Jose's United, you are either insane or a dirty liar
Can we quote this post and the picture on every page of this thread?
Even adding an egg on it couldn't make it any worse!
It's clear just from the football we're playing, that Mourinho is making real progress. LVG wasn't an awful manager, but he lost his touch with age, and brands became fixated with possession. A couple more transfer Windows under Mourinho and we'll be looking much more like one of the world's top teams again.
19th in the league in chances created and shots... 1st in backward passes.
£250 million spent in two seasons to get there.
That's the right manager?
Absurd.
£250 million spent in two seasons to get there.
That's the right manager?
Absurd.
I've never actually seen that video, but LVG's system of play there is the same. Players starting wide and driving in, that is the way Barca has always done it, LVG even mentioned he wanted Mata to be out wider to receive the ball in that wide position then drive in, that's why I think he had proper interest in Leroy Sane, a player that could do that.
Henry repeating freedom over and over again doesn't really say much tho, as what kind of freedom does he have, what does that entail? Just do whatever he wants within his zone, which would sort of go against his freedom talk.
To me LVG's ideas are the same, start wide drive in, the only thing I've heard is he said it's better to take a touch then shoot which it is but I doubt that was a mandiate.
Mourinho has us creating more chances. Mourinho has us winning the same amount of points as LvG and Moyes.
He is an idiot and past it.
He is an idiot and past it.
What did Mourinho do wrong today? You're the idiot with that kind of logic.
here we go
We sat on a lead with 20 minutes to go. Cowardly tactics. We had them on the ropes for a good duration of that second half. But we all knew what the outcome was going to be as soon as we went defensive.
I've defended Mourinho all season. Today I can't.
Mourinho is a billion times better than that lunatic fraud LVG. Shit bump.
We won the same fixture 3-0 last year. One of our best performances too.
If you can't see faults in today's management then it's you who has the issues.
To answer the OP:
It's because Mourinho is better than LVG
It's because Mourinho is better than LVG
He's just as gutless, if not more so.
The irony is strong here.
Bringing Fellaini on was something he did wrong today, wouldn't you agree?
Indeed. As though a crap result today makes the last two years less dismal. Ridiculous.
Delusion is strong on this forum. I pretty much subscribe that Mourinho is a better manager than LVG but the former so far has demonstrated very little of that.
I mean what the feck are you lot arguing about?! It's literally true that Mourinho has underperformed with us so far.
I mean what the feck are you lot arguing about?! It's literally true that Mourinho has underperformed with us so far.
To answer the OP simply: many of us thought and still think Mourinho is better than LVG because he is PL-proven (3 PL titles). LVG'S style simply did not work in the PL.
Team is playing better & more progressively. We aint getting many breaks.
We rarely played any fluent footy under LVG, just little patches of it. LVG was quite lucky though.
As it runs, atm.
We rarely played any fluent footy under LVG, just little patches of it. LVG was quite lucky though.
As it runs, atm.
They emotionally invested too much in Mourinho for them to admit stone cold facts that after spending alot of money we find ourselves with about the same points total as the other two failures.
I think we looked like LVG was in charge today. I'm starting to wonder if Mourinho is watching videos from our season with him and trying to emulate his ideas now that he's under pressure.
We are doing a lot worse than last season
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