Not sure how good he would be for dressing room harmony.
Realistic Summer 2017: Ins & Outs
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Out for sure: Rooney, Jones, Januzaj, Blind/Darmian
Doubtful: Carrick, Zlatan, Shaw, Martial, Young
Loan:Tfm, Cbj, Tuanzebe
In: Gimenez, Isco/Keita, Lukaku/Belotti
Doubtful: Carrick, Zlatan, Shaw, Martial, Young
Loan:Tfm, Cbj, Tuanzebe
In: Gimenez, Isco/Keita, Lukaku/Belotti
Is Carrick still doubtful? I think only question is, will he retire or just change club. And i would say Martial is not going anywhere. Shaw unlikely to leave too. Jones, no idea. Griezmann, Fabinho and Pepe in. If Pepe isn't available for a free, then buy some younger one.
Have a feeling that Terry will be arriving in the summer; wouldn't shock me to see Rojo and Bailly continue as the two starters (there's literally nobody else gettable on the market who'd be an upgrade on them on current form IMO) with Terry and Smalling/Jones rotated.
Van Dijk. He is gettable as well.
God, I would hate Terry to come here for a final big payday. Despicable man, not a single redeeming quality as a person and a shadow of his former self as a player.
I'd be quietly boycotting the club for the duration of his stay if that happened
Very remote chance Mourinho would sign Terry. He actually started dropping Terry last season.
Given the amount of CMs in this thread, and given that Herrera has performed so well this season, are we rioting if a defensive mid comes in and herrera doesn't play next year?
Might be a few people fancying some formation that Jose doesn't generally play - but if we assume he is aiming for a 4-2-3-1 as he has since he joined madrid, does it look good for herrera long term in the team?
Might be a few people fancying some formation that Jose doesn't generally play - but if we assume he is aiming for a 4-2-3-1 as he has since he joined madrid, does it look good for herrera long term in the team?
I think Herrera is good enough to keep his place. We need competition for him though and whoever is playing better, they'll play. If we get CL football, we'll have a lot of games to play next season, so there's plenty of chances for Herrera and the new CM. I imagine in the champions league we'll play 4-3-3 anyway.
Out: Jones, Smalling, Rooney, Darmian, Januzaj, Fellaini.
In:
St: Lukaku
CM: Matuidi(contract expires in summer 2018)
Winger: Willian, Carassco
CB: Varane
RB: Anyone
Bonus signing :Isco, if he becomes available we must sign him.
In:
St: Lukaku
CM: Matuidi(contract expires in summer 2018)
Winger: Willian, Carassco
CB: Varane
RB: Anyone
Bonus signing :Isco, if he becomes available we must sign him.
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Realistic would be Rooney leaving and being replaced by an attacker of some sort. TFM going out on loan. One midfielder to be the long term replacement for Carrick, who appears to be staying another season since we are currently negotiating a new deal according to a recent report in the Mail. I can't see our net spend being above £100m.
Apart from that, it depends who actually wants to leave: Zlatan seems more likely to stay than go, though still possible he may opt for LA Galaxy, De Gea will leave as soon as Real Madrid offer us sufficient cash but at the moment it doesn't feel like they want him enough to go big. Darmian might want to join Juventus or Milan but his wages would be an issue unless they are desperate to sign him, which I seriously doubt. Anyway, I firmly expect him to stay.
Outside bet would be Mata leaving.
The team needs fine-tuning rather than major changes. Players improving their finishing, the manager understanding how best to use players, the team learning how to be more creative against a deep block defence.
By the way, I can't believe all these posts that assume we will be replacing defenders who have contributed to a defence that has conceded 12 goals in the 22 PL matches since the 0-4 at Chelsea, 24 goals in 31 games through the PL season to date. Defence is about a group of players understanding what each other is going to do in any given situation. Unnecessary changes are simply asking for trouble.
Apart from that, it depends who actually wants to leave: Zlatan seems more likely to stay than go, though still possible he may opt for LA Galaxy, De Gea will leave as soon as Real Madrid offer us sufficient cash but at the moment it doesn't feel like they want him enough to go big. Darmian might want to join Juventus or Milan but his wages would be an issue unless they are desperate to sign him, which I seriously doubt. Anyway, I firmly expect him to stay.
Outside bet would be Mata leaving.
The team needs fine-tuning rather than major changes. Players improving their finishing, the manager understanding how best to use players, the team learning how to be more creative against a deep block defence.
By the way, I can't believe all these posts that assume we will be replacing defenders who have contributed to a defence that has conceded 12 goals in the 22 PL matches since the 0-4 at Chelsea, 24 goals in 31 games through the PL season to date. Defence is about a group of players understanding what each other is going to do in any given situation. Unnecessary changes are simply asking for trouble.
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Why do people think we're getting a new left back, right back, and centre back?
Our defensive record is excellent in all competitions. Maybe we will sell one of Jones or Smalling and bring in 1 CB but don't expect many changes in our strongest area of the pitch, at all.
Our defensive record is excellent in all competitions. Maybe we will sell one of Jones or Smalling and bring in 1 CB but don't expect many changes in our strongest area of the pitch, at all.
Out:
Rooney
Smalling
Januzaj
In:
CB
CM
Attacking Midfielder
Fine tuning needed
Rooney
Smalling
Januzaj
In:
CB
CM
Attacking Midfielder
Fine tuning needed
I wouldn't mind him, but I think there's a point to be made, that he wouldn't improve us by that much, that it justifies spending 50m on him, which is what he will most likely cost. Best thing about signing him is probably that it prevents clubs like City from buying him, since he would improve them more than he would improve us.
Arguably we need players in all 3 positions. We need a backup to Valencia, the left has been our weak side for most of the season, because Darmian, Blind, Young and Shaw couldn't cement their place there and Mourinho doesn't seem to trust neither Tuanzebe nor Fosu-Mensah enough to give them a chance or more time. They'll most likely go out on loan next season. Jones and Smalling are still injury-prone. Ideally Shaw improves and the left-back positions isn't as issue next season, but currently I can't see that happening.
For example if we bought Fabinho, I think we could cover 2 positions with one player. I know Mourinho has said that he likes specialists, but his use of Young shows that he's open to changes. Fabinho would mostly be used as a midfielder, but he could also rotate with Valenica at right-back. Meaning Mourinho would only have to decide whether he buys a left-back or a centre-back. It's more likely that he's looking for improvement on the left than in central defence IMO.
That's actually what i think will happen. Look like Jose doesn't rate Smalling very high. And Jones is always injured half of season.
Possible. Like i said before, CB, Fabinho and Griezmann.
Out - Young, Rooney, Blind, maybe Januzaj
In - don't know exactly who but a right sided attacker possibly Bernardo Silva. A striker ala Griezman or the young talent Mbappe. Definitely a central midfielder in his prime but I'm not not sure who that could be but we definitely need someone. And possibly a full back.
In - don't know exactly who but a right sided attacker possibly Bernardo Silva. A striker ala Griezman or the young talent Mbappe. Definitely a central midfielder in his prime but I'm not not sure who that could be but we definitely need someone. And possibly a full back.
Don't get the need of a right side attacker.
Mkhitaryan is there, with Mata as backup. One with pace to burn and one creative outlet. While our left has 2 striker-talents filling in.
Even if we changed into using a 10 system, most seem to agree we will buy Griezmann, so Miki and Mata would still be right wingers.
Mkhitaryan is there, with Mata as backup. One with pace to burn and one creative outlet. While our left has 2 striker-talents filling in.
Even if we changed into using a 10 system, most seem to agree we will buy Griezmann, so Miki and Mata would still be right wingers.
Why is Douglas Costa so highly rated on here?
He has been average for Bayern for a long time now and I can't see him being good enough to play at a club who aims to be a Top-4 club in the world. Thus, hopefully we won't go for him and splash Bayern the cash to get themselves a really good player!
He has been average for Bayern for a long time now and I can't see him being good enough to play at a club who aims to be a Top-4 club in the world. Thus, hopefully we won't go for him and splash Bayern the cash to get themselves a really good player!
Probably that one patch of form at the beginning of last season where he did loads of tricks so many people are still mesmerised by him despite his supposed inconsistencies this year- something that we are also suffering from and therefore really don't need next year.
The only reasonable explanation to that really.
Would much rather have Mkhi & Martial as our main Wingers instead of an overrated Brazilian player who would also cost a lot of money!
If we were to go for a Winger I hope it would be Carrasco. Really like him + he is supposed to have a buy-out clause of about €40m.
Well, Mourinho lamented not having a Chicharito type player a week or so back so you'd have to assume we'd bring in a forward, he's also said in the past he can't rely on Carrick due to age, so you'd think a DM would be in his thoughts.
Don't know who will leave but I think Oblak, Mertens and Tierney may arrive.
Not necessarily a right attacker but another wing forward in the mould of Hazard to occupy defenders and improve the quality of our final ball in which increases the quality of our goal scoring chances, if he can pitch in with 15 goals then great. I think this type of attacker is more essential than a top striker in this team for now.
I agree we need another creator from out wide. Just think he should be able to play on the left as opposed to on the right.
There is no upside to signing Terry. Awful suggestion.
Because our rightback is getting seriously old and we have no suitable backup in the squad. Hence smart thing would be to look on the market to bring in some competition for the position that in 1 or 2 years time could also be Valencia's replacement.
Leftback has been a problem all season long. Jose doesn't rate shaw and he doesn't play him for the rest the position has been played by Young, Darmian, Blind and Rojo none which convinced they are good enough to be a regular leftback. Young is also getting old and should only be used as a squad player or maybay even moved on. Rojo is much better as LCB which seems to be his position in the team atm. Darmian is overall a very poor player and would warrant being replaced but Mourinho seems to like him for some reason and maybay he will stay as a cover for both fullback positions. Blind is also a squad player for the LB/LCB. Overall we have too many squad players who can do a job but aren't actually good enough to be nr1 on the position. That would be ok if Shaw was the nr1 but he isn't since he isn't even playing under Mourinho. I think a new leftback signing is likley but only if Shaw is also outgoing this summer. If Mourinho keeps faith in Shaw I agree there will be no new leftback coming in because it would be nonsensical.
On CB you explained the situation youself Smalling/Jones remain players who look out of their debt and people would like to see them moved out and replaced with a proper CB signing.
I agree however that seeing all 3 transfers happening is very unlikely (too bad).
CB signing is the most unlikley one I think but it could happen.
For fullbacks I do think we will see atleast 1 signing, could be a leftback if Shaw is sold, could also be a rightback if Shaw remains.
But Ideal scenario would be we see a new RB, LB and CB this summer but the ideal scenario is not very likley I agree.
You really think we'll get a CB but not sell one? One of Jones or Smalling to be permanently frozen on the bench? If we do get a CB one of them is leaving and we can get 20 million at absolute minimum for either, probably more.
I'd actually be quite interested in getting Pepe since his contract expires this summer. He's still good enough and since the defenders are doing such a good job, maybe there's no need for a 'big name signing', just someone that can be a good 'back-up'. Jones is always injured and Smalling doesn't seem to work in Mourinho's system. As far as I know, Mourinho has always liked Pepe. Sure he's 34 years old and it's nothing long term, but if there's going to be a CL next season, his experience could be needed.
I also think that a LB should be bought, since it's not clear if Shaw is going to develop in to what Mourinho needs. Perhaps the rumoured Benjamin Mendy from Monaco would be a good choice? Or Raphaël Guerreiro from Dortmund?
A new CM is needed but I'm not sure what type of player it should be. Idrissa Gueye? Naby Keita? Franck Kessié? Blaise Matuidi? Corentin Tolisso? Fabinho? Marco Verratti? Kevin Strootman?
And a goalscorer is clearly needed. Not sure if Griezmann is going to come. If not, then Alexis Sanchez would be a good choice. He's evidently really good in the PL and he doesn't seem to be 'satisfied' in the club. The problem is if Arsenal will sell him to a PL side? Or maybe Dries Mertens from Napoli?
And a winger might also be needed, since Martial doesn't seem to be in Mourinho's plans and he might want to leave before he'll be too far away from a WC 2018 squad. If it's a right winger, maybe Nathan Redmond from Southampton? Or maybe Yannick Carrasco from Atletico Madrid? Or the interesting Hirving Lozano from Pachuca. Or Marco Asensio from Real Madrid.
Those in bold might be the 'realistic' ones. I can't wait for the summer to see what Mourinho is going to do. Which ones will leave and which ones will come. But I trust Mourinho in this area.
I also think that a LB should be bought, since it's not clear if Shaw is going to develop in to what Mourinho needs. Perhaps the rumoured Benjamin Mendy from Monaco would be a good choice? Or Raphaël Guerreiro from Dortmund?
A new CM is needed but I'm not sure what type of player it should be. Idrissa Gueye? Naby Keita? Franck Kessié? Blaise Matuidi? Corentin Tolisso? Fabinho? Marco Verratti? Kevin Strootman?
And a goalscorer is clearly needed. Not sure if Griezmann is going to come. If not, then Alexis Sanchez would be a good choice. He's evidently really good in the PL and he doesn't seem to be 'satisfied' in the club. The problem is if Arsenal will sell him to a PL side? Or maybe Dries Mertens from Napoli?
And a winger might also be needed, since Martial doesn't seem to be in Mourinho's plans and he might want to leave before he'll be too far away from a WC 2018 squad. If it's a right winger, maybe Nathan Redmond from Southampton? Or maybe Yannick Carrasco from Atletico Madrid? Or the interesting Hirving Lozano from Pachuca. Or Marco Asensio from Real Madrid.
Those in bold might be the 'realistic' ones. I can't wait for the summer to see what Mourinho is going to do. Which ones will leave and which ones will come. But I trust Mourinho in this area.
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Outgoing:
I think Januzaj and Rooney are almost certain to leave this summer because they just have no place in this team and won't be getting any playing time.
Then we have some uncertainties:
Then we have the situation of TFM and Tuanzebe, I think they are likley to be loaned out, espeically Tuanzebe as he has not been playing at all. TFM might have a role here next year if Carrick is gone and Mourinho rates him as a DM, it could be an opportunity for more playing time but if Carrick stays I'd say he needs to be loaned out aswell.
Not to forget that we have also let go off Schneiderlin, Depay and Schweinsteiger and haven't replaced any of them so far.
Incoming:
I think Pereira has had a very convincing loan spell and should be part of the first team next year. Especially as he can play a variety of attacking positions and even play as a CM in a 3 man midfield.
Then regardless off outgoing transfers I fully expect us to go after a new attacker and midfielder. An attacker because we have been struggling with scoring goals and killing off matches, Martial has had a very unconvincing season, we have sold Depay, we will likley sell Rooney, so there is clearly a vacancy in the team for a new attacker. Midfielder because we have let go of Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger and because regardless if Carrick stays or not, Mourinho has already said he can't count on him to play regularly so we need to start thinking about a replacement anyway. So imo we are signing an attacker and a midfielder regardless of what happens on the outgoing front.
Perfect players for the role of the attacker are: Griezmann or Sanchez and as plan B Mertens
Imo it can't be a pure striker like Lukaku or Belotti because we have that already with Zlatan and Rashford. The thing is with players like Griezmann and Sanchez, they can play all forward positions, from the wings, behind the striker or as main striker and I feel we need someone like that to be versatile upfront.
Perfect player for the midfielder role are: Fabinho, Bakayoko or Strootman
It should be someone suited to the role of DM altough someone like Tielemans could also be a possibility but then I feel we would need to sign 2 midfielders (him + a DM) and settle on a MF 3 because he is a playmaker.
I think it is also possible we sign a RB regardless of outgoing transfer altough it is not really necessary because we have a very good RB with Valencia. But Antonio is getting a bit older, can also not play everything all the time and we need a good back-up/long-term replacement for him. So if we could find that player I think we may sign him aswell. Players I think off are Semedo, Meunier, Aurrier, Sidibé
These were all transfers that I think could happen regardless of outgoing players but ofcourse as I have said there are some players where it is uncertain if they will be here not next year.
Possible summer:
Out: Januzaj, Rooney, Shaw, Carrick (retirement), Darmian, Tuanzebe (loan)
In: Griezmann, Fabinho, Mendy, Semedo, Pepe (free), Pereira (back from loan)
I think Januzaj and Rooney are almost certain to leave this summer because they just have no place in this team and won't be getting any playing time.
Then we have some uncertainties:
- Zlatan, club wants to extend his deal for another year but Zlatan is holding off. I think he wants to see how we finish the season, if we win the EL and get in the CL, I'd say he is likley to stay one more year, otherwise I think he will want to go LA Galaxy.
- DDG, club wants to keep him but if Real Madrid puts a serious offer on the table there might be an agreement with DDG to allow him to leave.
- Carrick, club has offered him a new 1 year deal but he hasn't signed it yet so he may be planning on retirement.
- Martial seems to struggle getting in the team under Mourinho, he might want a move to another club because obviously he needs to be playing.
- Shaw is the same as Martial seems to struggle under Mourinho and he might want to go to another team.
- Fellaini
- Darmian
- Young
- Blind
- Jones
- Smalling
Then we have the situation of TFM and Tuanzebe, I think they are likley to be loaned out, espeically Tuanzebe as he has not been playing at all. TFM might have a role here next year if Carrick is gone and Mourinho rates him as a DM, it could be an opportunity for more playing time but if Carrick stays I'd say he needs to be loaned out aswell.
Not to forget that we have also let go off Schneiderlin, Depay and Schweinsteiger and haven't replaced any of them so far.
Incoming:
I think Pereira has had a very convincing loan spell and should be part of the first team next year. Especially as he can play a variety of attacking positions and even play as a CM in a 3 man midfield.
Then regardless off outgoing transfers I fully expect us to go after a new attacker and midfielder. An attacker because we have been struggling with scoring goals and killing off matches, Martial has had a very unconvincing season, we have sold Depay, we will likley sell Rooney, so there is clearly a vacancy in the team for a new attacker. Midfielder because we have let go of Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger and because regardless if Carrick stays or not, Mourinho has already said he can't count on him to play regularly so we need to start thinking about a replacement anyway. So imo we are signing an attacker and a midfielder regardless of what happens on the outgoing front.
Perfect players for the role of the attacker are: Griezmann or Sanchez and as plan B Mertens
Imo it can't be a pure striker like Lukaku or Belotti because we have that already with Zlatan and Rashford. The thing is with players like Griezmann and Sanchez, they can play all forward positions, from the wings, behind the striker or as main striker and I feel we need someone like that to be versatile upfront.
Perfect player for the midfielder role are: Fabinho, Bakayoko or Strootman
It should be someone suited to the role of DM altough someone like Tielemans could also be a possibility but then I feel we would need to sign 2 midfielders (him + a DM) and settle on a MF 3 because he is a playmaker.
I think it is also possible we sign a RB regardless of outgoing transfer altough it is not really necessary because we have a very good RB with Valencia. But Antonio is getting a bit older, can also not play everything all the time and we need a good back-up/long-term replacement for him. So if we could find that player I think we may sign him aswell. Players I think off are Semedo, Meunier, Aurrier, Sidibé
These were all transfers that I think could happen regardless of outgoing players but ofcourse as I have said there are some players where it is uncertain if they will be here not next year.
- If Zlatan goes I think we will need to sign a new striker: Lukaku, Belotti, maybay Hernandez as back-up for Rashford
- If Martial goes I think we will need to sign a new winger: Silva, Perisic
- If DDG goes we will need to sign a new keeper: Donnarumma, Oblak, Navas
- If Shaw goes we will need to sign a new leftback: Mendy, Telles, Kolasinac
- If Jones/Smalling goes we will need to sign a new CB: Manolas, Van Dijk, Giménez, Pepe (free)
Possible summer:
Out: Januzaj, Rooney, Shaw, Carrick (retirement), Darmian, Tuanzebe (loan)
In: Griezmann, Fabinho, Mendy, Semedo, Pepe (free), Pereira (back from loan)
Griezmann and Fabinho are the most realistic one in my opinion. Mainly because Griezmann (clause contract and the brother factor, cost: £85m) and Fabinho (Tall and had connection with Mourinho, will likely cost us £25m). Pereira will be back from loan for sure because he deserves the chance.
Possibly we will sign a new left back which I am not sure who's going to be. I have a feeling it's going to be a surprise name like how we signed Bailly.
I have a feeling we will stick with the same four centre back. Possibly another striker if Zlatan leaves but I seriously don't think we will spend huge on both Lukaku and Griezmann, people might think we have enough money but I'm sure we have certain budget every summer window. De Gea will end up stay probably, Real couldn't afford him and wait next year.
So Griezmann to replace Rooney.
Fabinho to replace Schneiderlin or Carrick
Periera to replace Schweinsteiger
A new left back because we have yet settle our left back.
A new striker if Zlatan leaves (probably someone who goes below £30m.
Possibly we will sign a new left back which I am not sure who's going to be. I have a feeling it's going to be a surprise name like how we signed Bailly.
I have a feeling we will stick with the same four centre back. Possibly another striker if Zlatan leaves but I seriously don't think we will spend huge on both Lukaku and Griezmann, people might think we have enough money but I'm sure we have certain budget every summer window. De Gea will end up stay probably, Real couldn't afford him and wait next year.
So Griezmann to replace Rooney.
Fabinho to replace Schneiderlin or Carrick
Periera to replace Schweinsteiger
A new left back because we have yet settle our left back.
A new striker if Zlatan leaves (probably someone who goes below £30m.
From Sky Sports: Blaise Matuidi will be allowed to leave PSG in the summer for €10-15m (£8.3-£12m). He has offers from England and Spain, with Manchester United at the front of the queue for his signature. (Le Parisien)
Blaise Matuidi
Dries Mertens
Serge Aurier
Dries Mertens
Serge Aurier
Might be a decent starting point or what happens if we miss CL. If we make CL I'd safely assume a big name or 2 added to that.
I never a big fans of Matuidi. Everytime I watch him, he seems to be lack of technical attributes for a box to box. Not a player that you can also rely in defending set pieces. I'm still in shocked that Matuidi got picked in France XI during the final Euro 16 over Kante. Herrera is so much better than him and Matuidi is already 30 years old. For a midfielder who rely on his stamina, 30 can be a sign of decline.
Add Griezman to that list.
I don't see what's the point of Jones staying given his injury woes. Surely we can get a more dependable backup CB who is close to him in abilty.
If Zlatan is out for 9 months as reported then its going to cause Mourinho & Woodward a major headache. Mourinho will be looking for a bigger budget this summer now.
realistic targets, Lacazette or Icardi, depending on the type of striker Mou wants