Realistic Summer 2017: Ins & Outs

That is a good list.

Especially your Midfield options of Ndidi or N'Zonzi. And the price you have quoted looks about right. Could be a bit more, but still cheap in today's day. Only problem is, we don't seem to like buying players cheap. We usually tend to go for players that cost £40m up irrespective of their quality.

So, I am afraid Liverpool, who have a tighter budget, may snatch these players.
Thanks, although I feel United will be in pole position I get your take on Liverpool being a sort of threat.

Fingers crossed Jose reads the caf ...
 
Does realistic actually mean "not good enough but it's the best we could manage". If that's the case I expect;

Michael Keane
Felipe Anderson
Someone Arsene Wenger would sign as a cdm
Girouds younger brother
 
Okay... I am in :)!!

Thing is with the Chicharito talk lately I see very clearly how Jose is working to break away from LVG's work. Blind is the epitome of a player under LVG. He is technically gifted and can play multiple positions. Hernadez on the other hand is a goal poacher and that is it. Somewhere at some time I am sure Jose said he wants specialists. I now agree in most cases. Certainly a team needs a few versatile players like a Blind or John O'Shea. They are needed for team chemistry and balance in injury crisises, but we NEED more specialists... esp attacking. So lets go thru the squad and see what we get....

DDG- World Class, obvious starter and hope he stays.
Romero- Fine 2nd keeper

Valencia- Stud keep and start
Bailey- Stud keep and start
Rojo- Like his attitude under Jose. Squad player my preference
Smalling- Might need to let go... unsure
Jones- Like his potential but injuries killing his progress. Might keep but he needs to stay healthy.
Darmien- Move on.
Blind- Keep as a versatile squad player.
Shaw- I am more on Jose side here. he needs to step up big but think we will move on.
TFM- we need to see this guy next year. Keep!

Carrick- old, would like to keep for exp but we need a need DCM
Herrera- Keep and rotate like Butt and Scholes did in 99. Herrera for defensive contests against strong sides.
Pogba- Keep and start
Miki- Keep and start.
Lingard- Obviously keeping now but I do not see him as anything but a squad player
Mata- KEEP... he might not start games but he can help when we need a goal.
Young- If he wants to stay and accepts his role keep. he is a versatile player whom I helps team chemistry. He is the team DJ :).
Fellaini- Has his uses imho, keep.

Zlatan- He has been massive this year. would like to keep but we need a future option here. Also not fast for counter attacking.
Martial- Bit like Shaw. he need to step up or go.
Rashford- Keep way too much potential.
Rooney- Great servant but time to go.

Januzaj- Do not think he will make it.
Pereira- I know little about how he is doing.



So this gives us this with subs under and in (....).

------------------------DDG-------------------------
---------------------(Romero)----------------------

Valencia--------Bailey-----????????--------?????
(??????)--------(Jones)----(Rojo)---------(????)

----------------------??????----------------------
-------------------(Carrick)----------------------

---------Herrera--------------Pogba------------
--------(Mata)----------------(Fellaini)--------

Miki-------------------------------------???????
(Lingard)------------------------------(Martial)

--------------------Zlatan----------------------
----------------(Rashford)---------------------

So as I see it we need a CB, LB, DCM, and a LW. 4 signing and we might be bearable to watch again ;).
 
Out:
Shaw: seems obvious one to leave,
Rooney
Young

In:
Sanchez ( I think we will go for Griezmann but we may struggle to get him becos of out league position, but think Wenger will end up staying at Arsenal and Sanchea will want out, and as he wouldnt get in the Barca, Madrid or Bayern teams the market for him will be limited so think we will stand a chance)
Fabinho
Lindelof
 
yes but if the qualify for the champions league and we don't that will dent our chances
Not sure he wants to come as he is attached by the hip to Simeone. If he is staying another season think Griezmann will as well. We might not be in a position to wait for him, we need a striker as quick.
 
We have a clear route to europa league finals until we bottle it against a very average team.
hence why i said if we qualify :)
Not sure he wants to come as he is attached by the hip to Simeone. If he is staying another season think Griezmann will as well. We might not be in a position to wait for him, we need a striker as quick.
i tend to agree its why i think Sanchez is a more likely Buy.
 
Out:
Zlatan (off to LA Galaxy)
Rooney (off to China or Everton)
Darmian (off to Serie A)
Young (off to lower table PL club)
Jones (off to lower table PL club)
Januzaj (off to Lyon)
Johnstone (off to championship club)

Varela, Wilson, CBJ to be loaned out again

In:
Semedo from Benfica
Manolas from As Roma
Fabinho from As Monaco
Lukaku from Everton
Griezmann from Atlético
B.Silva from As Monaco

Pereira to also join the team

GK: De Gea, Romero, J.Pereira
CB: Manolas, Bailly, Smalling, Rojo, Tuanzebe
RB/LB: Valencia, Semedo, Shaw, Blind
DM: Fabinho, Carrick, TFM
CM: Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini
RW/AM: B.Silva, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Pereira
LW/AM: Martial, Lingard
CF/SP: Lukaku, Griezmann, Rashford

Example of a line up

------------------DDG------------------------
Semedo----Bailly----Manolas-------Shaw
-----------------Fabinho--------------------
-------Mkhitaryan---------Pogba----------
B.Silva-----------Lukaku----------Griezmann

Bench: Romero, Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, Herrera, Martial, Rashford
 
With all the quotes appearing about Chicharito, Mou had better sign him. I'd welcome him back with open arms.

I'd sell Martial, Darmian, Januzaj, and Rooney.

I'd bring in Chicharito, Griezmann, and a CB.


Why would you do that?
 
Apparently Barkley will be sold if he doesn't sign a new contract.

I'd get him in. Young, premier league proven and sky high potential. Him, Fabinho and Pogba would be excellent.
 
RB- Semedo
CM- Saul
CM- Bakayoko, Nguye
CB- Laporte
ST- Lukaku

I was mostly just going off of positions I think that need addressing and threw in some names. Really all depends on the shape Jose is going to go with. I think Griezmann will happen but I'd rather Dybala.
 
Apparently Barkley will be sold if he doesn't sign a new contract.

I'd get him in. Young, premier league proven and sky high potential. Him, Fabinho and Pogba would be excellent.

Get a discount for allowing Rooney to go there as well.

Now he's finally got a proper manager he's starting to fulfil his vast potential; stI'll think he'd maximise it if he took a step back into midfield. Be an upgrade on Fellaini in there...
 
Out:
Zlatan (off to LA Galaxy)
Rooney (off to China or Everton)
Darmian (off to Serie A)
Young (off to lower table PL club)
Jones (off to lower table PL club)
Januzaj (off to Lyon)
Johnstone (off to championship club)

Varela, Wilson, CBJ to be loaned out again

In:
Semedo from Benfica
Manolas from As Roma
Fabinho from As Monaco
Lukaku from Everton
Griezmann from Atlético
B.Silva from As Monaco

Pereira to also join the team

GK: De Gea, Romero, J.Pereira
CB: Manolas, Bailly, Smalling, Rojo, Tuanzebe
RB/LB: Valencia, Semedo, Shaw, Blind
DM: Fabinho, Carrick, TFM
CM: Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini
RW/AM: B.Silva, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Pereira
LW/AM: Martial, Lingard
CF/SP: Lukaku, Griezmann, Rashford

Example of a line up

------------------DDG------------------------
Semedo----Bailly----Manolas-------Shaw
-----------------Fabinho--------------------
-------Mkhitaryan---------Pogba----------
B.Silva-----------Lukaku----------Griezmann

Bench: Romero, Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, Herrera, Martial, Rashford


You realize that your list of players coming in would cost in excess of 400 million euros

Semedo 45-50 million Euros
Manolas 60-65 million Euros
Fabinho 35-40 million Euros
Lukaku 90 million Euros
Griezmann 100-110 million Euros
B. Silva 70 million Euros.

Total 400-425 million Euros

Sounds realistic to me.
 
Since Mbappé has been rumoured lately, I was wondering if a player could be sent to them to make the deal more interesting, since the biggest clubs are also interested in him? Not sure if anyone would like it, but what if Martial would be included in a deal? I'm not sure if Martial can get back to his 'real' standard when he's playing for Mourinho and he could maybe benefit from getting a change of clubs and continue to develop. Sure it would be a loss, but if Mbappé, which looks really good, would arrive, maybe it could soften the blow? But I really do hope Martial will get back to his best level here, but I'm afraid Mourinho might have given up on him.

So would including Martial in a deal to get Mbappé be a good or a bad idea? It's just a thought, so I hope that no one will get upset because I thought about this. Just don't want to see such a good player like Martial to 'drop in quality' and sometimes players don't work well with certain managers or in a certain tactical way.
 
I've just realised that with our numbers in midfield we'd need to buy two to get rid of Fellaini. Grim. I'd sell him even if he was our only midfielder mind but I don't think Mourinho will.

Anyway, I think Fabinho and Griezmann are nailed on signings. I think we'll switch to a 4-2-3-1 on a permanent basis and they would complete our midfield. After that, who knows.
 
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Very difficult to predict players coming in. The only kinda realistic players I can think off right now would be Griezmann and Bakayoko or Fabinho. And then we'll probably try to add a real winger and maybe a striker and a fullback as well.

I think that Rooney, Young, Jones, Blind, and Darmian are more or less guaranteed to leave.

Then there is a group of players who I imagine might be sold if we get the right players in: Smalling, Shaw, Fellaini, and maybe even Mata?

Lastly, we have Ibrahimovic and Carrick who might not extend their contracts, and the talks of de Gea to Madrid. But I think almost all the players from the latter two groups are gonna stay, otherwise the clear-out is simply gonna be too big, and I doubt we're gonna sign more than 5-6 players at most.
 
I've just realised that with our numbers in midfield we'd need to sell two to get rid of Fellaini. Grim. I'd sell him even if he was our only midfielder mind but I don't think Mourinho will.

Anyway, I think Fabinho and Griezmann are nailed on signings. I think we'll switch to a 4-2-3-1 on a permanent basis and they would complete our midfield. After that, who knows.
Why does everyone think Griezmann is nailed on? I am not disagreeing, it's a genuine question.

He could go anywhere in the world this summer. I can see someone like Real going all out for him.
 
Griezmann and Silva should be our priorities. Yes we need a central midfielder and left back and a centre half but we can cope without them. Griezmann and Silva are game changers.
 
Why does everyone think Griezmann is nailed on? I am not disagreeing, it's a genuine question.

He could go anywhere in the world this summer. I can see someone like Real going all out for him.
He loves Atletico. Going to Real is a no no, he'd probably literally get death threats.
 
Griezmann and Silva should be our priorities. Yes we need a central midfielder and left back and a centre half but we can cope without them. Griezmann and Silva are game changers.
I agree that these two should be our primary targets from an attacking perspective. Realistically, though, I'm not sure we'll get either. Champions League football, and some very serious flexing of our financial muscles, would likely be required.
 
What's realistic about muppetry? Where's fun in that?

Here's my wishlist:

Outs:

Rooney
Fellaini
Darmian
Blind
Mata (Because he'll be in the last year and I don't think we should give him a new 4 year deal)

In's:

Bonucci
Weigl
Bernardo Silva
Kane
Back-up Striker
Pereira (Back from loan)

De Gea/Romero
Valencia/Jones Smalling/Bailly Bonucci/Rojo Shaw
Weigl/Carrick
Herrera/Pereira Pogba
Silva/Lingard Kane/Back-up Striker Martial/Rashford

 
What's realistic about muppetry? Where's fun in that?

Here's my wishlist:

Outs:

Rooney
Fellaini
Darmian
Blind
Mata (Because he'll be in the last year and I don't think we should give him a new 4 year deal)

In's:

Bonucci
Weigl
Bernardo Silva
Kane
Back-up Striker
Pereira (Back from loan)

De Gea/Romero
Valencia/Jones Smalling/Bailly Bonucci/Rojo Shaw
Weigl/Carrick
Herrera/Pereira Pogba
Silva/Lingard Kane/Back-up Striker Martial/Rashford


Weak transfer window, needs more Neymar.
 
Surely the same could be said for De Gea then?
De Gea wouldn't be the same. De Gea has been here for 6 years. Going from Atletico when Griezmann is their best player, nearing his peak and in a team that is consistently getting into the later stages of the CL would be worse than what De Gea might do.
 
De Gea wouldn't be the same. De Gea has been here for 6 years. Going from Atletico when Griezmann is their best player, nearing his peak and in a team that is consistently getting into the later stages of the CL would be worse than what De Gea might do.

I can't see that really. De Gea is a home grown Atletico player and a fan (I believe) Griezmann isn't even Spanish and played for another club in Spain before joining Atletico. Sure the fans won't be happy but I don't think Griezmann would snub Real because he's played for Atletico.
 
Interesting to see how things have changed since I first started the thread.

Plenty of ups and downs to go , I think it will be exciting summer although I do see de gea leaving this summer :-)
 
As i see we all think the same. Defender, midfielder and right winger is a must.

Striker and right back positions have lots of questions and lots of if.
If ibra leaves we need top top top striker. Proven who is extra class and who costs 70,80 mil. For me icardi is best option. Lukaku second option.
Mbappe too young to lead attack. Lacazette not that good. Belotti i don't rate him that much and also unproven in big club.

But what if ibra stays? Will we buy some backup? Or maybe buy a top striker anyway who will replace ibra in 2018/2019? But will icardi or lukaku be interested to be second option in first season?
Worst case scenario- we throw 40,50 mil for some average striker like barca and arsenal did this season with lucas and paco.

Right back. Valencia is first option, can play 2 or 3 more seasons on this level. We don't need anybody there. Just give fosu mensah a chance. Or buy backup player for 10 -15 mil € max.

Central defender must be a leader and technically good. Bonucci, my first option is unrealistic so Varane or Manolas.
Midfield player depends on what jose wants. Defensive classic dmc or central midfelder.
Bakayoko/ fabinho for defensive solution , veratti for offensive.
Here i think that we might buy two midfielders. It depends does mourinho count on pereira.
Right winger must be goal scoring player so griezmann will be our main target.

Must buy:
Varane/manolas
Bakayoko/fabinho
Griezmann
Maybe:
Backup right back
Veratti
Backup striker

Out:
Darmian
Rooney
Young( only if we buy backup right back)
Fellaini( if we buy 2 midfielders or pull back pereira)
Jones or smalling( i would sell both)
 
I've been a supporter of Martial but he just hasn't done very well when given the opportunity. His progress has stalled. I mean the game against Anderlecht was one to judge his season so far. Rashford may have not scored but he did exactly what he was supposed to which was run at defenders and cause havoc when attacking and track back and defend when needed which was very evident in Rashford's game. On the other hand, Martial comes on with 25 min of the game to go and he barely attacks or causes any trouble to the back four of Anderlecht baring in mind that Martial hasn't played much and he was coming in and facing the tired legs of the opposition. There was no tracking back on his part. I think with that kind of attitude, you don't have much of an OT future. He's young... He's playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He should be giving his 100% which is not depicted by his performances on the pitch. He can't lead the line. He can't defend much. He hasn't scored many goals when given the opportunity and he losses possession.

For that very reason,

I would like to see the following gone:
1. Martial (Mediocre mentality, Has all the attributes to be a world beater but is mentally very weak. He's gone down the picking order when it comes to playing for France as well. Probably taking away the No. 9 from him has dented his confidence but that's no reason for the poor performances)

2. Smalling (Just like the name, he hasn't had many big games in defense for United this season and honestly doesn't deserve to wear the Captain's armband. Not much of a motivation on or off the pitch. His performances haven't been really poor)

3. Jones (Mr. Hargreaves II would be giving Jones a compliment because when Hargreaves actually played, he was a great player. Jones like his career has been all over the place. He's too injury prone and goes missing in the crucial matches)

4. Fellaini (He's done okay this season but he's too mediocre. And we need to get rid of mediocrity. Otherwise we're going to remain competing for 4 or 5 or 6th position and remain a Europa competing team)

5. Darmian (He was brought in to replace Valencia and was moved to LB since he wasn't that great. I think Luke Shaw will come good and fulfill his potential which means that I don't see him being first choice for LB as well. He's good in patches and honestly, we could have a better alternative)

People I would like to see be brought in to better the team
1. Griezmann (There's a huge question mark whether he would be able to do well here especially in the position that Mourinho would like him to play. He scores plenty of goals and I think he could be the missing piece of the jigsaw in attack. I would play him in the front interchanging trio of a 4-3-3 formation to get the better out of Pogba. Assuming Zlatan stays, Griezmann - Zlatan - Mkhikitaryan would be a devastating attacking trio with goals in them. Rashford could be a backup for Zlatan and Griezmann when need be.

2. Lukaku/ Icardi/ Andre Silva/ Belotti (All of them are pretty capable strikers although Lukaku is the only one that's PL proven, so I would rate that a little higher up but I would be happy to have either of them provided Zlatan leaves this summer. Apart from Zlatan, we don't really have a striker that could lead the line. Rashford maybe someone who could do the job in future. Rooney has been poor, slow and injured for majority of the season, so he cannot be relied upon to lead the line as well.)

3. Fabinho/ Bakayoko (This one is really tricky because we need a player that could relieve Pogba of his defensive responsibilities and play further up the pitch and show his magic. I'm not sure which of the two would complement Herrera and Pogba, probably someone else could give me a better idea on that. Maybe it's not even one of these two, it could perhaps be Strootman or Kessie.)

4. Manolas (We need a quality CB as Bailly and Rojo are the only quality and consistent CBs we have at the moment. Manolas would give us that stability that we need at the back)

5. Isco (Top quality midfielder with unbelievable close control. He would be an upgrade on Mata and would work well with Pogba. Real Madrid are looking to offload him and he could be a good buy with money in return for De Gea if he does leave)
 
I've been a supporter of Martial but he just hasn't done very well when given the opportunity. His progress has stalled. I mean the game against Anderlecht was one to judge his season so far. Rashford may have not scored but he did exactly what he was supposed to which was run at defenders and cause havoc when attacking and track back and defend when needed which was very evident in Rashford's game. On the other hand, Martial comes on with 25 min of the game to go and he barely attacks or causes any trouble to the back four of Anderlecht baring in mind that Martial hasn't played much and he was coming in and facing the tired legs of the opposition. There was no tracking back on his part. I think with that kind of attitude, you don't have much of an OT future. He's young... He's playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He should be giving his 100% which is not depicted by his performances on the pitch. He can't lead the line. He can't defend much. He hasn't scored many goals when given the opportunity and he losses possession.

For that very reason,

I would like to see the following gone:
1. Martial (Mediocre mentality, Has all the attributes to be a world beater but is mentally very weak. He's gone down the picking order when it comes to playing for France as well. Probably taking away the No. 9 from him has dented his confidence but that's no reason for the poor performances)

2. Smalling (Just like the name, he hasn't had many big games in defense for United this season and honestly doesn't deserve to wear the Captain's armband. Not much of a motivation on or off the pitch. His performances haven't been really poor)

3. Jones (Mr. Hargreaves II would be giving Jones a compliment because when Hargreaves actually played, he was a great player. Jones like his career has been all over the place. He's too injury prone and goes missing in the crucial matches)

4. Fellaini (He's done okay this season but he's too mediocre. And we need to get rid of mediocrity. Otherwise we're going to remain competing for 4 or 5 or 6th position and remain a Europa competing team)

5. Darmian (He was brought in to replace Valencia and was moved to LB since he wasn't that great. I think Luke Shaw will come good and fulfill his potential which means that I don't see him being first choice for LB as well. He's good in patches and honestly, we could have a better alternative)

People I would like to see be brought in to better the team
1. Griezmann (There's a huge question mark whether he would be able to do well here especially in the position that Mourinho would like him to play. He scores plenty of goals and I think he could be the missing piece of the jigsaw in attack. I would play him in the front interchanging trio of a 4-3-3 formation to get the better out of Pogba. Assuming Zlatan stays, Griezmann - Zlatan - Mkhikitaryan would be a devastating attacking trio with goals in them. Rashford could be a backup for Zlatan and Griezmann when need be.

2. Lukaku/ Icardi/ Andre Silva/ Belotti (All of them are pretty capable strikers although Lukaku is the only one that's PL proven, so I would rate that a little higher up but I would be happy to have either of them provided Zlatan leaves this summer. Apart from Zlatan, we don't really have a striker that could lead the line. Rashford maybe someone who could do the job in future. Rooney has been poor, slow and injured for majority of the season, so he cannot be relied upon to lead the line as well.)

3. Fabinho/ Bakayoko (This one is really tricky because we need a player that could relieve Pogba of his defensive responsibilities and play further up the pitch and show his magic. I'm not sure which of the two would complement Herrera and Pogba, probably someone else could give me a better idea on that. Maybe it's not even one of these two, it could perhaps be Strootman or Kessie.)

4. Manolas (We need a quality CB as Bailly and Rojo are the only quality and consistent CBs we have at the moment. Manolas would give us that stability that we need at the back)

5. Isco (Top quality midfielder with unbelievable close control. He would be an upgrade on Mata and would work well with Pogba. Real Madrid are looking to offload him and he could be a good buy with money in return for De Gea if he does leave)


Are you proposing we keep Ibra and sign Griezmann and Lukaku ? That alone would be about £170m
 
I wouldn't mind either of Ward Prowse or Romeu. Decent on the ball, especially Romeu who is defensively solid and excellent at keeping things ticking over.

With Carrick looking done, and having already shifted Morgan and Bastian, we are feather light in the CM dept. Even if we bring in someone like Fabinho, we are still an injury away from fielding fecking Fellaini next season.
 
I wouldn't mind either of Ward Prowse or Romeu. Decent on the ball, especially Romeu who is defensively solid and excellent at keeping things ticking over.

With Carrick looking done, and having already shifted Morgan and Bastian, we are feather light in the CM dept. Even if we bring in someone like Fabinho, we are still an injury away from fielding fecking Fellaini next season.

Would be an excellent signing, lacks a yard of pace but would be a good fit in front of the defence and wouldn't cost the earth.

I think it may be a bit early for JWP although I do think he'll be a cracking player in time.

I'd also be tempted to go for Sigurdson, Swansea look like they'll go down and so would again be fairly inexpensive and has been one of the best no 10's this year in a poor Swansea side.

Adding these would add quality and steal, and leave plenty in the kitty for a striker and another wide player.
 
Would be an excellent signing, lacks a yard of pace but would be a good fit in front of the defence and wouldn't cost the earth.

I think it may be a bit early for JWP although I do think he'll be a cracking player in time.

I'd also be tempted to go for Sigurdson, Swansea look like they'll go down and so would again be fairly inexpensive and has been one of the best no 10's this year in a poor Swansea side.

Adding these would add quality and steal, and leave plenty in the kitty for a striker and another wide player.

Siggurdson is a pretty great shout too. But the problem with all the aforementioned players is that they are too good to play backup role. But if last few seasons are anything is to go by, I suppose everyone will have enough games at some point due to someone else getting injuired or suspended for a while. A lot will depend on the ambitions of the players.