Realistally how much longer could the Glazers go on?

AdamColeBebe said:
Mystery to me why people are still paying for tickets and going to the games. Makes no sense.

It's like going to a restaurant, and protesting against it whilst ordering, eating and paying for the food, then doing the same thing next week.

Stop going.
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Most lads want to go to a football match at the weekend and the season ticket holders have paid their money already. I have no issue with fans going to games
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Isn't that the point. If the value of the club fell, then surely they have no chance getting what they hope for. Outside the PL, not the TV money of the PL, no Super League, no European football.
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They would be more likely to cash out before relegation. Maybe the only positive to come from this crisis is that the Glazers might now think it is best to sell now before we go any lower.
 
Castia said:
If they did a complete clear out after SAF retired and hired the best in class directors then it would probably be different situation. The fact they keep bankers/businessmen in key footballing positions is what’s killed the club.
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Well this isn’t the case anymore. A club if this side can’t just be run by ex-pros. Football people have now been instated, we are still rubbish. Other clubs don’t have former strikers as their CEOs generally speaking.
 
sixdwarf said:
They would be more likely to cash out before relegation. Maybe the only positive to come from this crisis is that the Glazers might now think it is best to sell now before we go any lower.
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They are absolute idiots and unfortunately think any possible purchasers are bigger ones.
 
Bad results on the pitch and the number of scandals would presumably weaken their position when trying to sell up, even if it’s only marginally. We’re certainly not a club on the up right now.
 
They won't leave, probably don't even watch the results, just look quarterly where we are in the table and what it means to their bottom line.
 
They can go on indefinitely until they find the right exit that suits them. They have zero care in the world about what fans think and are totally insulated from fan sentiment in their respective cocoons in West Palm Beach (or where ever they live).
 
Rozay said:
Well this isn’t the case anymore. A club if this side can’t just be run by ex-pros. Football people have now been instated, we are still rubbish. Other clubs don’t have former strikers as their CEOs generally speaking.
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Not asking for ex pro’s though? Our 2 main directors are Murtough and Arnold both should be nowhere near their current position at the club. Murtough‘ greatest achievement was a sports scientist and performance manager at Coventry and Everton. Arnold had no Experience with football what so ever. Im talking about hiring the best in class for those positions like I said in my original post

Remember when City first got the oil money? that reminds me of us now they spent millions on absolute shite (Jo, Robinho, Santa Cruz etc) then they hired the directors from Barcelona and started to progress. Well we didn’t hire the directors and are still buying our very own shite.
 
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I wonder if they're holding out for the super league to come to fruition. Surely if that happens the clubs value goes up massively.
 
Raoul said:
They can go on indefinitely until they find the right exit that suits them. They have zero care in the world about what fans think and are totally insulated from fan sentiment in their respective cocoons in West Palm Beach (or where ever they live).
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Good question. Where do they live?
Can't our American contingent get round there with pitchforks and flames?

Tell MAGA they're prosecuting Trump or something.
 
Raoul said:
They can go on indefinitely until they find the right exit that suits them. They have zero care in the world about what fans think and are totally insulated from fan sentiment in their respective cocoons in West Palm Beach (or where ever they live).
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Fans do affect them though. It's just that sacking a manager, spending a bit of money or a shift in fortune has been enough to placate us for years.
 
clarkydaz said:
how far off is that though? Even the new CL extra spot has pissed me off, as it goes in their favour
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Not sure, I haven't read much about it lately. The Glazers would know everything happening behind the scenes though.

With the Saudi league taking off I see some version of the super league as inevitable.
 
Castia said:
Not asking for ex pro’s though? Our 2 main directors are Murtough and Arnold both should be nowhere near their current position at the club. Murtough‘ greatest achievement was a sports scientist and performance manager at Coventry and Everton. Arnold had no Experience with football what so ever.

Im talking about hiring the best in class for those positions like I said in my original post
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Murtough is a football person, not a banker or accountant, is my point. Nor is Fletcher. Arnold is a head of operations and isn’t required to understand tactics.

Personally, I’ve never seen these job titles/structure as much of an issue as everyone else tbh. The quality of the personnel, far bigger issue. If one team has a Director of Football and we have the same functions being carried out by a Head of Recruitment, what difference does it make? If that HoR was effective then that’s the key.

I agree with what you say about ‘best in class’, although I don’t think we are as qualified as many like to think they are in determining who that is for some of these roles.
 
edgecutter said:
Most lads want to go to a football match at the weekend and the season ticket holders have paid their money already. I have no issue with fans going to games
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By doing what the Glazers want them to do? Give them money? I don't see the logic.
 
The glazers don’t care about united that’s pretty evident. They are only bothered about the money, United are still making money for them so there really is no reason to leave.
People say don’t goto the games, if they don’t goto the games there is always someone else to take their seat.
 
black country red said:
Why would any super league include this shower of shit
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You're probably trolling but I'll bite. Man United is and will be one of the biggest clubs in the world regardless of on field performances for at least another 10 years. A super league without us would be like a super league without AC Milan.
 
100 said:
Fans do affect them though. It's just that sacking a manager, spending a bit of money or a shift in fortune has been enough to placate us for years.
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If they had any concern about fan sentiment they would've sold years ago. These guys are totally transactional and focused on getting as much money as possible for the asset they own.
 
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For as long as they are making money.
 
100 said:
Fans do affect them though. It's just that sacking a manager, spending a bit of money or a shift in fortune has been enough to placate us for years.
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You can only affect them financially. And you don't. You aren't even fans to them, just customers. And customers who are complaining, but keep buying at your store, are just as good as happy customers.
 
Rozay said:
Murtough is a football person, not a banker or accountant, is my point. Nor is Fletcher. Arnold is a head of operations and isn’t required to understand tactics.

Personally, I’ve never seen these job titles/structure as much of an issue as everyone else tbh. The quality of the personnel, far bigger issue. If one team has a Director of Football and we have the same functions being carried out by a Head of Recruitment, what difference does it make? If that HoR was effective then that’s the key.

I agree with what you say about ‘best in class’, although I don’t think we are as qualified as many like to think they are in determining who that is for some of these roles.
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It just feels like we’re backed into a corner. ETH has signed a lot of players he’s personally worked with in the past and they don’t seem to be working, if he leaves/gets fired we’re left having to do yet another rebuild for the next manager
 
MancunianAngels said:
That's absolute nonsense.

If the only way to succeed in football is to become a state sponsored sport washing project then the whole thing is pointless anyway.
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City fans dont mind. Newcastle will eventually get their act together and start winning trophies regularly as well. Meanwhile a lot of our fans will be moaning when we flirt with top 5 one year then out of it the next. Not ideal, but without mega mega billionaire money, we will never win a big trophy again.
 
As long as there is a penny they can make from the club they will stay on. They will only sell when it makes financial sense for them to do so.

I do think this is the beginning of the end game for them though. They are hoping for a boom in the clubs value based on the changing landscape of football but I just don’t see it happening, I think the club is as valuable as it’s ever going to be under the reign. As nice as the record deals are, it’s just a distraction to an ever challenging financial situation (FFP, Debt, Stadium) for them, they are slowly being backed into a corner and the sale will be inevitable. The only thing is I don’t know how long it will take and far we will fall in the mean time.
 
HTG said:
You can only affect them financially. And you don't. You aren't even fans to them, just customers. And customers who are complaining, but keep buying at your store, are just as good as happy customers.
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Very true unfortunately.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
I wonder if they're holding out for the super league to come to fruition. Surely if that happens the clubs value goes up massively.
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There is a theory that they are waiting till the World Cup hits the US in 2026 which may generate more interest amongst potential buyers in the US.
 
Only a crap season will make them want to sell,club is definitely finished until that ever happens that's an absolute certainty
 
They could just repeat the same cycle for a number of years, a new manger every year or two, a rebrand of the Arnold/Murtough leadership where they blame everyone else and say it will get better but keep their jobs.

The issue they have is there is increasing competition and we have less funds to help us get back into top 4 for a season or two. But we are now a team that just may or may not finish in the top 4 and people are conditioned to accept it and just hope it miraculously gets better. The owners know you can treat fans like shit, serve up dross and they still come back for more.
 
Roboc7 said:
They could just repeat the same cycle for a number of years, a new manger every year or two, a rebrand of the Arnold/Murtough leadership where they blame everyone else and say it will get better but keep their jobs.

The issue they have is there is increasing competition and we have less funds to help us get back into top 4 for a season or two. But we are now a team that just may or may not finish in the top 4 and people are conditioned to accept it and just hope it miraculously gets better. The owners know you can treat fans like shit, serve up dross and they still come back for more.
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tends to be that cycle. First season new manager alls great, 2nd season club politics get in the way, then it unravels
 
A season brushing with releagation will make them sell…and that’s in the post.
I’m sure there will be some leaked info about a sale this week to give the muppets hope. It’s what they’ve done for years. Nothing will change.
 
Roboc7 said:
They could just repeat the same cycle for a number of years, a new manger every year or two, a rebrand of the Arnold/Murtough leadership where they blame everyone else and say it will get better but keep their jobs.

The issue they have is there is increasing competition and we have less funds to help us get back into top 4 for a season or two. But we are now a team that just may or may not finish in the top 4 and people are conditioned to accept it and just hope it miraculously gets better. The owners know you can treat fans like shit, serve up dross and they still come back for more.
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They are the mugs then aren't they.

Without outside investment, not that long as the grand will weaken. Our stadium is archaic compared to the modern day. More scandals will arrive and sponsors only have so far in their threshold.

It will start to jmplode and do not think they can afford another managerial upheaval.
 
Old Trafford could be burning down with the squad in the changing room and they still wouldn’t sell.
 
Raoul said:
They can go on indefinitely until they find the right exit that suits them. They have zero care in the world about what fans think and are totally insulated from fan sentiment in their respective cocoons in West Palm Beach (or where ever they live).
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Around Tampa Bay, I guess.

Worst of all is that the majority of Floridians are known to be apathetic as feck. Otherwise, we would have had a strong reaction from United fans and/or Bucs fans in the area by now and after all the years of mismanagement by those crooks.
 
Yorke to Cole said:
They are the mugs then aren't they.

Without outside investment, not that long as the grand will weaken. Our stadium is archaic compared to the modern day. More scandals will arrive and sponsors only have so far in their threshold.

It will start to jmplode and do not think they can afford another managerial upheaval.
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They could easily have another 5-10 years of the same rinse and repeat. Patch up infrastructure when no other choice, change managers multiple times. It wouldn’t be pretty but from their perspective it works and fans would go along with it.
 
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