Without any success sooner rather than later shit will hit their wallets even without boycotts. I wonder if they were really naive enough to think that under ETH we will suddenly become a force again even without a proper structure.
Realistally how much longer could the Glazers go on?
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Without any success sooner rather than later shit will hit their wallets even without boycotts. I wonder if they were really naive enough to think that under ETH we will suddenly become a force again even without a proper structure.
With the amount of money they are allegedly wanting to get for the sale, the potential bidders narrow down, to likely a state bid.
If they don't sell now and Qatar buy someone else, who is going to stump up the kind of cash they want? Kuwait, Dubai, Norway?
On the current world. Barcelona or Real winning La Liga is not a big achievement, it always goes to either of them. Then winning the CL (and that without their cheating habits) is actually a remarkable achievement, but happened like 8 years ago, so it’s not relevant to their current team. Current Barcelona is a joke, almost broke, charged with corruption, going out of CL for two straight seasons, and then getting kicked out of EL.
We are a mess, yes, but FC Levers Negreira are even a bigger mess. Probably the biggest mess in world football
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Yes, Sundalsøyri Ysteri Og Kulturlåve ca save us.
Or the Glazers will have us until they run out of siblings or the revolution comes.
Why are people acting like city aren't gonna run away with it again?
The audacity of people on this site some times. Talking about 2 horse race that atletico won just 3 years ago but guessing that doesn't count as it doesn't fit narrative.
On field, we are not better then Barcelona by any metric. We beat them last season then Sevilla knocked us out so what of it?
Kim Wilde had it right in the 80's they just keep hanging on.
Because even last season there was another team that was leader for a long period and could have won PL if they didn’t bottle it.Why are people acting like city aren't gonna run away with it again?
The audacity of people on this site some times. Talking about 2 horse race that atletico won just 3 years ago but guessing that doesn't count as it doesn't fit narrative.
On field, we are not better then Barcelona by any metric. We beat them last season then Sevilla knocked us out so what of it?
We defeated FC levers Negreira, doesn’t matter who beat us later, we beat the cnuts. They of course had “possession” but we had the goals.
I think the big thing people are not discussing is the refinancing of debt. In the era of cheap money, debt was fine, it was manageable through refinancing. But if you now have to end up refinancing ~$650M in debt at significantly higher rates, it's going to blow up our entire operations.
I don't know what portion of our debt is long duration, locked in at low rates vs what percentage comes due soon and needs to be refinanced. If we need to refinance a significant amount of our debt then the club (and by extension the Glazers) are screwed. We can't afford the interest payments.
I don't know what portion of our debt is long duration, locked in at low rates vs what percentage comes due soon and needs to be refinanced. If we need to refinance a significant amount of our debt then the club (and by extension the Glazers) are screwed. We can't afford the interest payments.
You say it doesn't matter who beat us later but talk about another club who was top for a long period and didn't win. You see the irony there right? We lost comfortably to Seville who FC levers negreira beat comfortably home and away last season. One of results aren't how you judge a team, we aren't a better team than Barcelona. Haven't been for for over a decade and we aren't right now.
Longer than people think. The 2006 mindset of so many people thinking we'll go bust at any moment is alarmingly still strong.
Still think they'll sell though.
Still think they'll sell though.
they will go on forever till there is no more money to be milked from United.
I would take any number of relegations to have rid of them in a heartbeat
So if you had to make a time prediction?
It sure feels like the last summer transfer window for them. We did the absolute best out of it and all in all a good transfer window for us. That said, we had to be creative and some targets we just couldn’t pursue.
A club like ours should be in a much better economic state. It’s not feasible for them to continue being our owners.
A club like ours should be in a much better economic state. It’s not feasible for them to continue being our owners.
To (almost) quote Wycliffe Jean, they’ll gone by November.
Admire the optimism so presumably think we will get an announcement sometime this month
With the new format of the champions League it will be a lot difficult because there will be more games and for that they could earn more money to hold the club.
Our club is much bigger than any job.
L.o.l.
Our football club is amazing.
Getting yourself arrested to try and help force through a state takeover, potentially ruining your livelihood is a bit mad.
In theory until they want to leave or they all die, then the offspring might keep it. I do feel though as we are somewhere near the end as the money dries up the dividends wont be able to be taken, and probably their only course is to sell in the next weeks or months.
Cheers. I’ll tell that to the bank when I can’t pay my mortgage.
For me they're gone at the conclusion of the current process. You'd hope it'd be quick, but transfer windows were never going to have an influence on the timescale as some hope. Also think that whilst they're selling because in the medium to long term their business plan is no longer viable, they're perfectly capable of getting short term loans or undertaking short term refinancing in order to give them another two or three years if they don't get the offer they want now. I'm hopeful it won't come to that but whilst I think they will sell, this impression many give of them being in desperate financial need to sell has never been true. They always have options.
That's why I think there are so many stories about them being fairly obstinate on the price. Wouldn't be shocked if it happened next week or if we're still here in January cursing the Glazer's for fecking up our mid-season transfer window.
I call BS, the article states they are looking to sell at around 10 billion, that's an increase of 40% on the current value. We are screwed financially and structurally. The long term plan is more of a gamble than selling in the short term. What are we going to do in the next few transfer windows? Get a few more loan deals. ETH is a fantastic manager but not a miracle worker. The current TV deal runs out in 2025 and was extended by sky for roughly the same amount, all talk of individual streaming is very unlikely. Were do they get this valuation from a world cup in a few years and a few extra games in the champions league? We are not going to win any major trophy's any time soon and top 4 will become even harder.
They sucking the blood out, starving every vital organ in body of MUFC.
Every day they remain, the club goes backwards and the debt grows.
This great club is rotting away.
Glazers out!
This great club is rotting away.
Glazers out!
They have such little ambition for the club and it just reverberates around the club. Quite sickening how it's come to this. The identity of the club is now almost gone, we have no character and I don't see anything we are good at. So depressing.
Probably forever with the set of "morale and woke" fans we have. Face it us Westerners/Europeans dont have the dime, while the morale police is so scared of oil money.
Were more scared of what their religion is practicing in their own country without ever disturbing our way of life then the damage being done by these yanks. Dent free term is something we don't know but its well known in the middle east.
I dont beleive any consurtioum has anough money, nor bravery to jump in and dump the money in united much less the hugeee debt its coming with.
Were more scared of what their religion is practicing in their own country without ever disturbing our way of life then the damage being done by these yanks. Dent free term is something we don't know but its well known in the middle east.
I dont beleive any consurtioum has anough money, nor bravery to jump in and dump the money in united much less the hugeee debt its coming with.
Sadly I think it would take relegation to force them out.
For as long as they choose to. There is no democracy in club ownership. We are run as a dictatorship.
It wouldn't. Because the value of the club would hemorrhage.
They are now just hanging on to the club's history, a bit like most of us, they need to do the right thing and let it go, preferably to someone who cares about and respects the club.
Glazers holding out for 10 billion. Family is fecking deluded
That's absolute nonsense.
If the only way to succeed in football is to become a state sponsored sport washing project then the whole thing is pointless anyway.
We need it more than most. The money's just secondary, but the great fanbase purge it would result in would move the club forward about 2 decades. We're a huge club with huge potential, held back by a fanbase that belongs to the 80s.
Isn't that the point. If the value of the club fell, then surely they have no chance getting what they hope for. Outside the PL, not the TV money of the PL, no Super League, no European football.
Mystery to me why people are still paying for tickets and going to the games. Makes no sense.
It's like going to a restaurant, and protesting against it whilst ordering, eating and paying for the food, then doing the same thing next week.
Stop going.
It's like going to a restaurant, and protesting against it whilst ordering, eating and paying for the food, then doing the same thing next week.
Stop going.
If they did a complete clear out after SAF retired and hired the best in class directors then it would probably be different situation. The fact they keep bankers/businessmen in key footballing positions is what’s killed the club.
Unfortunately so are sponsors. We just signed a record deal for a shirt sponsorship. Hard to see them leaving when a lack of success doesn't seem to do much damage to revenue streams
You wonder what conditions are in that contract. There usually are some for them to pay full whack.
Disdain will grow if the performances on the pitch continue to happen