But he'd be on the bench at Spurs too as Palacios isn't getting in the side.
Real Madrid opens the door for Diarra, Lass Diarra, Gago and Van Der Vaart.
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But he'd be on the bench at Spurs too as Palacios isn't getting in the side.
Well.. they're second best to the likes of Ozil, Ronaldo, Kaka, surely they're not junk by any means.
Plus usually madrid's reject will means they're not going to ask any absurd amount for them.
I'd take Gago / Diara and cough... benzema :P
Surely they can do the job considering hargo's missing and don't look like he's coming back
Plus usually madrid's reject will means they're not going to ask any absurd amount for them.
I'd take Gago / Diara and cough... benzema :P
Surely they can do the job considering hargo's missing and don't look like he's coming back
For those of you who'd like us to Sign Diarra can i just ask where and above whom youd play him? Carrick? Anderson? Fletcher? Scholes? all of whom are better players for me and Diarra offers nothing that any of those dont, hes basically a downgraded version of Fletcher, a far less talented player than Anderson, A far lesser passer than Carrick and not a patch on what Scholes gives us.
We have 4 good central midfield options as of now, clearly its an area we may could do with some strengthening in the summer when Scholes likely retires but even then that replacement would need to be of a creative nature, Diarra is not that player.
Just no basically.
We have 4 good central midfield options as of now, clearly its an area we may could do with some strengthening in the summer when Scholes likely retires but even then that replacement would need to be of a creative nature, Diarra is not that player.
Just no basically.
Umm.. the fact that Carrick Anderson Fletcher and Scholes can't play 50+ games battling on 4 front? Any long term injury to either of them will disrupt the rotation and risking more injury.
Football doesn't work like that.Just because it happened before doesn't mean it will happen in the future
So you want to sign Diarra as 4th/5th choice midfielder in the case of an injury?
Wonderful.
Why cant 4 central midfielers play 50 games a season between them. thats around 12-13 games for each of them, are you saying none of those 4 can play 12 to 13 games a season??
Technically speaking, that's not true since we play 2 or 3 in central midfield, mind...
Actually, we tend to field more than ONE central midfielder per game, sometimes 2 and sometimes 3, so it works out to 30+ games each (assuming we play 2 in half the games and 3 the other half).
Don't need him, we have Pogba, Cleverly coming through the youth ranks.
We play 4-4-2 in 99% of our matches, the only times we play with a 3 man centre midfield is in the bigger games and in Europe, probably about 10-12 times a season.
Anyway this is getting a bit off track, in my view we dont need Diarra.
Anyway this is getting a bit off track, in my view we dont need Diarra.
12/60 or so matches is 20% of our season. not 1% of the season.
at a club like united, those 12 matches define seasons.
we don't need diarra though, agreed
I know Lassana Diarra is not the best defensive midfielder around but 11M pounds for a 24 year old is not a bad deal at all. He could be a good replacement for Hargreaves.
Report: Manchester United ready to pay Real Madrid
Report: Manchester United ready to pay Real Madrid
You could argue about Pogba but not Cleverly. Lass and Tom clearly play in different positions so having one of them in the team is not going to be a hindrance for the other.
Why does everyone think we need some sort of defensive minded midfielder? It's probably the last position we should look at strengthening.
There's this random obsession with "DMs" on here. It's a term that is basically synonymous with not being able to play football very well. Diarra is the epitomy of this.
There's this random obsession with "DMs" on here. It's a term that is basically synonymous with not being able to play football very well. Diarra is the epitomy of this.
Lassana Diarra is not a option. I don't believe Real Madrid indeed is looking to sell to be honest. Mourinho said in the start of the season that he looked to use him in several positions. I don't think he has a future in Real Madrid, but still my bet is in the summer, I also think a strong defense is more important for Mourinho than Perez.
M.Diarra is basically free. L.Diarra and Garay are for sale at the right price.
In Garay's case they say that's about 10m, I guess he may have some hidden talent.
Lass can be very good - I've seen him turn in MOTM performances for Madrid and he was regularly better than Alonso last season, but Madrid want Alonso to succeed and they never quite worked as a partnership. Is he better than any of ours? Do I compare him on a good day to ours on bad ones, or vice versa?
In Garay's case they say that's about 10m, I guess he may have some hidden talent.
Lass can be very good - I've seen him turn in MOTM performances for Madrid and he was regularly better than Alonso last season, but Madrid want Alonso to succeed and they never quite worked as a partnership. Is he better than any of ours? Do I compare him on a good day to ours on bad ones, or vice versa?
If we really want a player from Madrid we should be after Gago.
but... he's shit.
No he's not. He's just one of many casualties of the Madrids galatico policy.
No he is not. He is just shit.
Gago is not shit and neither is Lassana, but I don't particularly want to see either at United.
No you are shit.
You're saying as if they're A,B,C,D and interchangeable so long as it remains 2
Fletcher can't play well with Carrick, Anderson and Scholes can't play well against good teams as well.
So it's not simple random math.
Plus you have not factored in the Scholes' age, form dip, suspension, tactical changes, rotation, etc.
50 is an understatement, 38 EPL games + 6 and say another 4 EC games + 5 League cup + 5 FA cup already equals 68 games and that is not up to the winning stage of every cup.
Sky: Your total is actually 58, not 68. You could only add 1 Carling Cup game and 1 FA cup game and three more CL games. Your point still stands of course.
Absolute max, assuming we finish in the top 3, is 65 if I'm not wrong. That is, to the the two added cup finals we add the semis and the final of the CL + Charity Shield and European Super Cup.
That's what the team should be aiming for which leaves plenty of games to go around, especially when injuries are factored in. I mean the squad has a maximum to it so we would never really stock up on center midfielders. 5 is really a must number and I'd rather have Lass or Gago then Gibson but Lass would just be unhappy and Gago would have some adapting to do which he may not be able to.
We should leave the scraps to other teams as I'm certain we will.
Absolute max, assuming we finish in the top 3, is 65 if I'm not wrong. That is, to the the two added cup finals we add the semis and the final of the CL + Charity Shield and European Super Cup.
That's what the team should be aiming for which leaves plenty of games to go around, especially when injuries are factored in. I mean the squad has a maximum to it so we would never really stock up on center midfielders. 5 is really a must number and I'd rather have Lass or Gago then Gibson but Lass would just be unhappy and Gago would have some adapting to do which he may not be able to.
We should leave the scraps to other teams as I'm certain we will.
Here is another source linking us to him.
Football | Barclays Premier League | United to raid Madrid for Diarra | ESPNSTAR.com
12M Euro is around 10M pounds right? I think that is not at all a bad price for him.
Football | Barclays Premier League | United to raid Madrid for Diarra | ESPNSTAR.com
12M Euro is around 10M pounds right? I think that is not at all a bad price for him.
Not bad at all, fresher legs and 1 spare guys to rotate can be a big difference over the course of teh season.
1 games to many and the injury can really spread like wildfire.
Besides, 10M for a 24 years old is quite a bargain.
1 games to many and the injury can really spread like wildfire.
Besides, 10M for a 24 years old is quite a bargain.
How good is Diarra really? How did he do in the English League?
He played for a lot of clubs already despite being only 24...
He played for a lot of clubs already despite being only 24...
He's always looked pretty good when I've seen him but I'm not sure we need him. Carrick and Anderson are doing just fine and he's not going to displace either of them. He won't like being benched either. 10m however is a very good price for him.
I'm surprised Liverpool aren't in for him -he's better than what they have got.
If we get him, then Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher can be allowed to attack a bit more. We haven't spent 10 mil in the January window since the Vidic and Evra purchases though.
Mahamadou Diarra > Essien. Trust the transfer fees gents.
Wasn't smalling technically a January buy last year?
Gago is worse than most of the posters on this forum. The only reason he exists, is to make people hang on to the dream that when Gago can play for Real Madrid, then surely I can too! He has lovely hair though!
He's only 24? For some reason I figured he was pushing 30.
Diarra, Diarra and Gago are all a bit average
yeah same here, seems to have been around for ages.
Is that right? I don't think so at all. Very good at what he does, great engine and was excellent for Portsmouth - hence why Real Madrid paid nearly £25 million for him.
He's a typical Makelele type player, a water carrier, and just because he's not getting forward and getting goals doesn't make him any less important. Its not a glamorous job but if you play that type of system its very important.
I'd be interested to see which holding midfielders you think are better out there, especially those who have the experience he has and would be avilable for a decent sum?
As for how United do with a holding midfield player - with Hargreaves, League and European Cup winners. Fergie spent a fortune to get him and rushed him back to play in the top CL games back end of the other season. Say what you like but a player like that is useful, especially in Europe.
As for Carrick, he'll never be a proper holding player as long as he's got a hole in his arse. His instinct is to get forward, he rarely tackles and often wants too long on the ball. His major problem in my opinion he just lacks the ability to really mdictate tempo at the very top level, although he's often excellent against the poorer teams. Not a criticism, just a fact that very few players have got that much quality.
Regardless, the team would surely benefit from bringing in a player unlike the others in the squad to increase the options.
Nice one. There'es [probably some 14 year old who'll repalce Giggs as well I suppose.
We haven't had a really top player come through the youth ranks for years so you'll forgive me for not sharing your optimism.
Cleverly looks decent mind, but we'll see if he has a future next year if he gets a game or is sent out on loan again.