RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2016-17 Edition

Gopher Brown said:
You know, I should be above all this, but I can't understand their assertion that we have no plan with our transfers. We need more goals, so we've added a striker who has scored 30+ goals in the last 5 seasons, a playmaker who has a large number of assists, a new young centre back, and (hopefully) a young and dynamic midfielder which we have lacked in recent years.

While they sign an unknown 30 year old Estonian centre back; Wijnaldum, who isn't going to displace Sane, Firmino or Coutinho; and two backup goalkeepers.
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Yes, but the players they have signed fits into Klopp's strategy like a glove and none of our signings are "Mourinho type players". Apparently.

Klopp managing Pool is like a cheat code on FIFA, you sign a player with a rating of 63 and then when you pair him up with the utter brilliance of Klopp and the magic that can only be Liverpool FC then his rating jumps up to a minimum of 97.
 
devious Rawkite was trying to hide this little beauty in the middle of a paragraph

Out of all the title contenders it seems like we've had the most productive pre season out of the lot.
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This is their year! The rest might as well pack up already.

I think even the most optimistic Liverpool fans underestimate what a super successful 2016-2017 would mean for this team. If we were able to compete for the title and actually win, we'd instantly be the sensation of the football world. Players would line up to play for Klopp and our status as a top EPL team would be cemented.

That's what happens with a sleeping giant. We aren't Tottenham or Leicester. We are Liverpool. We've been swimming in mud for a decade.

But if you combine a world class manager (who is extremely popular across the world) with a historical juggernaut, and then you win the league....you can instantly change the fortunes of your club.

This is the year for Jurgen and Liverpool.
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We'll challenge for the title, maybe more. Got an insane amount of firepower now, Karius and no Skrtel will help the goals against column massively
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I expect football will create it's usual surprises. But not in a big way Iike Leicester.
It will be the usual big names battling for top spots such as City, Arsenal and maybe United making up 4th.
The surprise I feel will be that Klopp will take his team far this year... pushing the likes of Arsenal and City.
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ChaddyP said:
:lol::lol::lol:

how exactly did he maths that one out
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They've signed the best GK in the world, one of the best CB's in the world, the Estonian Vidic, the second best Dutch player is history(can't beat Dirk, la) and the Senegalese Ronaldo all for a net £15m. It's not difficult to figure out why they're so confident, especially when you have teams like United signing utter dross like Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and Pogba for a combined £450m.
 
ReDDHDevilS said:
This is their year! The rest might as well pack up already.
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So the guy says:
I think even the most optimistic Liverpool fans underestimate what a super successful 2016-2017 would mean for this team. If we were able to compete for the title and actually win, we'd instantly be the sensation of the football world. Players would line up to play for Klopp and our status as a top EPL team would be cemented.
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Same old same for 26 years eh. Also how does one cement oneself as the top team in PL when one has never won a single league title since it's inception?! Even God forbid they fluke a title, it'll still be on the same count as Blackburn, Leicester with one PL title?!

That's what happens with a sleeping giant. We aren't Tottenham or Leicester. We are Liverpool. We've been swimming in mud for a decade.
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Only a decade?! What about the other decade and a half?! So no logic or grasp of counting skills.

But if you combine a world class manager (who is extremely popular across the world) with a historical juggernaut, and then you win the league....you can instantly change the fortunes of your club.
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I think he is talking about United there. That statement fits us than those lot!!

This is the year for Jurgen and Liverpool.
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No "la" it is just another year of us laughing at you. But thanks for the entertainment! :lol:
 
They're so obsessed with their little sayings to hype themselves up. "Sleeping giant", "Coming up the hill". They've been saying all that for years.
 
vk20legend said:
So the guy says:
Same old same for 26 years eh. Also how does one cement oneself as the top team in PL when one has never won a single league title since it's inception?! Even God forbid they fluke a title, it'll still be on the same count as Blackburn, Leicester with one PL title?!
Only a decade?! What about the other decade and a half?! So no logic or grasp of counting skills.
I think he is talking about United there. That statement fits us than those lot!!
No "la" it is just another year of us laughing at you. But thanks for the entertainment! :lol:
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Shhh! Don't let the truth get in the way of a nice romantic delusion! :lol:

They've got Klopp though!
 
vk20legend said:
So the guy says:



Only a decade?! What about the other decade and a half?! So no logic or grasp of counting skills.



I think he is talking about United there. That statement fits us than those lot!!



No "la" it is just another year of us laughing at you. But thanks for the entertainment! :lol:
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Beat me to it :lol:
 
Impulse said:
They've signed the best GK in the world, one of the best CB's in the world, the Estonian Vidic, the second best Dutch player is history(can't beat Dirk, la) and the Senegalese Ronaldo all for a net £15m. It's not difficult to figure out why they're so confident, especially when you have teams like United signing utter dross like Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and Pogba for a combined £450m.
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But Vidic was absolute shite, surely? I mean, he played for us and we've never signed anyone who was good. Even Ronaldo started to get decent only after he left us and Whisky Nose's dodgy ref bribing tactics.
 
Olly said:
They're so obsessed with their little sayings to hype themselves up. "Sleeping giant", "Coming up the hill". They've been saying all that for years.
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Teams like fecking Wolves and Villa use the term 'sleeping giant'. I wouldn't use that if I was a Liverpool fan.
 
Olly said:
They're so obsessed with their little sayings to hype themselves up. "Sleeping giant", "Coming up the hill". They've been saying all that for years.
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They're like an obese 65 year old woman attempting to crawl up Mount Everest.
 
Jippy said:
Teams like fecking Wolves and Villa use the term 'sleeping giant'. I wouldn't use that if I was a Liverpool fan.
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'Five times' is enough tbf.
 
Olly said:
They're so obsessed with their little sayings to hype themselves up. "Sleeping giant", "Coming up the hill". They've been saying all that for years.
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They passed out pissed at the bottom of the hill
 

Quote from: PeterTheRed on Yesterday at 11:00:43 PM
Just because clubs are getting away with, it doesnt't means it is legal. Sending a player to train away from the team because of breach of contract (like disciplinary issues) is one thing. Sending a high profile player (let alone a reigning world champion) to train with the kids just because you want to push him out of the club is something completely different. It is humiliation and degradation, and that is not legal in any line of work...

A saner poster points out a fifa law allowing it.

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PeterTheRed
Yes, I am aware of that article, but it is only applicable at the end of the season. This is a different situation. The player is being pushed out of the club during a transfer window by being humiliated and degraded.

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PeterTheRed
No mate, I am just an ordinary fella who has witnessed too much humiliation and degradation, so I can't stand pricks who are building their authority by abusing their power.


Fecking love this guy, next PoP for sure.
 
Re: Klopp's Second Season - What constitutes a good 16/17 season in your view?
...The surprise I feel will be that Klopp will take his team far this year... pushing the likes of Arsenal and City.

Most people just don't see it happening with concerns about centre midfield and a suspect left back and costly keeper errors...Karius being a goalkeeper won't need too much time to gel (once he recovers from injury) as compared to other positions on the pitch.

So I expect Liverpool ending up in the top 4 and a good season would be remaining in the title race in April/May. Cups would be a bonus.


pyroparty
We'll challenge for the title, maybe more. Got an insane amount of firepower now, Karius and no Skrtel will help the goals against column massively. Don't really get all the complaining about Moreno, yeah an upgrade would be great but it's not as if every other team doesn't have issues either!


killer_heels
the fact remains that if Karius, Matip and Sturridge have good seasons then we will challenge. They are the most important players in our side.

Gonza
agree I don't see Moreno as a big issue this year. Surely he can only get better and with him in the side we weren't too far last year from top 4 (cup priorities considered).


what we need this year is to finish 3rd or 4th minimum. That will give us momentum and allow us to get 2-3 bigtime players in next year's window.

I don't see any reason why Liverpool should be scared of Chelsea. I also don't think Chelsea have the offensive firepower that we do and thus they will drop a lot of points, even if they end up having a great defense (which I'm skeptical of).





7th, 6th, 8th, 2nd, 6th

As a fan, it's fair enough to hope and the league is pretty open, but where the feck are they getting this level of belief from? Haven't even been selective, these posts are right after each other on the same fecking page:lol:
 
Just stumbled across this one. They like bigging up their managers like no other.
Re: Jurgen Klopp signs new long-term contract

I particularly like that the first thing he did was study Hillsborough.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...s-and-coaching-in-espn-fc-exclusive-interview

Jurgen Klopp probably doesn't mind the image he gives off to the world. Smiley, jokey, animated, goofy, mad professor, fun-loving, dunking off a swing onto a children's basketball hoop -- it's part of his charm.

But he'll have you know there's steel beneath the big glasses and Irish Sea-wide smile.

In 2005, he was managing Mainz, who had just avoided relegation from the Bundesliga. One day, he called his best friend at the time, a midfielder named Jurgen Krammy, into his office to tell him he would not be extending his contract.

"So, there's good news and bad news," Klopp told him.

"What's the bad news?" Krammy asked.

"You're not getting a new contract."

Krammy looked stunned. They had been friends for a long time. "And the good news?" he asked, tentatively.

"Well, you can go and work with the youth team," Klopp said.

Krammy did not take it well, especially since Klopp knew how bad he wanted to continue playing and how much he still believed in himself. He turned it down and got up and left without adding a word.

Recalling that day, Klopp says he felt at the time that he wanted to run after him, to tell him that it was a joke, that, of course, he'd give him a new deal, that they'd still be friends. "But you can't do that," he says. "When you've convinced yourself of a decision you have to take it. And sometimes it's not what people want to hear. I like to be a nice guy until you can't be a nice guy anymore."

"The thing is, though, when you're in charge, you can and should get lots of advice from lots of people, but, in the end, when you take your decision, you have to make it alone," he adds.

To him, that's the key. Everyone contributes, one guy decides. Take Liverpool's much discussed -- and, by some, derided -- transfer committee of years past where, rather than a top-down decision from the manager, the process was collective.

"I don't think it makes sense to give one person all the power," he says. "And not just in football. That's why we live in a democracy ... hopefully it stays like this. It makes sense to put all the skills you have in the club to help you reach the best decision. It's how I'm used to working."

There's no passing of the buck.

"It would be very easy for me to sit here and if someone is not satisfied with a transfer, say, 'Sorry, but it was this guy [who wanted him]'" he says, pointing to an imaginary director of football or scouting coordinator or chief executive. "I sit in the chair and I need to make decisions."

It's the loneliness of the manager. A messiah one minute, an impostor the next. And for all the work you do, all the preparation, all the study, in the end, once your 11 men cross that white line, it's almost entirely out of your hands.

"It's the job, you have to accept it," Klopp says. "I can't score goals, but I can show [my guys] how to get into position to score goals. And I can't defend but I can show them how to organize themselves so the opponent gets into less dangerous positions. But yes, that's why I am lively on the sidelines, I try to have influence even during games."

Klopp took over from Brendan Rodgers last October. That meant no preseason training and, with no winter break, little chance to work on what are two of his priorities: physical preparation and instilling the tactical concepts required for his counter-pressing. ("We played 63 games, too!" he's quick to point out, a result of Liverpool reaching the final of both the Europa League and the League Cup.) This season, it should be more of a Klopp team.

"For sure!" he says. "We tried our best last year and I'd say it was OK. But now it's different. It will be more 'our' team and hopefully everyone can see the improvement."

Liverpool have already signed seven senior players. Half a dozen, including Joe Allen, Jordon Ibe, Martin Skrtel and Kolo Toure, have left. But this group remains a work in progress, particularly as it's still a big squad.

"We will see, the development of a team never ends," Klopp says. "I don't think we'll have a lot, but I think we will have some changes on the outgoing side."

"What I can say, though, is that everybody who is in this squad after Aug. 31 will have a big influence on this club," he adds. "And if we win something, it will be because of the group. Everybody who gives 100 percent will play. Maybe not every week, but very often."

With another manager, it would feel like coach-speak. With Klopp, it does not. There's an evident warmth about him, a personal engagement. It's not hard to see why he quickly became a folk hero in Dortmund and is on his way, in less than a year, to doing the same at Liverpool.

When he decided to accept the club's offer, the first thing he did was watch the Hillsborough documentary. He says he knew about it, but felt he needed to do more. Then he grew more engaged, meeting the families and understanding more not just about the tragedy, but of the 27 year fight for justice that followed.

"I love this city for what they did in the 27 years after Hillsborough," he says. "The nonstop fight for justice, the way they all stuck together. At the memorial, I heard Evertonians talking about it and how they were affected and the respect that exists.

"You know, it's easy to say it's only football, but here there is so much more behind it," he adds. "In such an awful tragedy, we saw so much unity in a city like Liverpool. I don't think that's something to take for granted. There are many other places where it would not happen. That's one of the things that makes this city special."

For some managers, the top end of football is all they've known since the age of 16. Cosseted promising youngster to star player at big team to promising young coach at well-heeled club to top job: that's the progression. Klopp, mainly because he spent most of his playing days in the lower divisions, had to claw his way up. He worked as a bartender, he worked in a hospital, he worked in TV: in front of and behind the camera. In his early 20s, he decided to go to university and pursue a degree in Sport Science. In an interview with the BBC, his old university professor talked about how the 20-something Klopp effectively balanced three jobs: as a professional footballer, a full-time student and a parent of a young child.


Maybe he felt he needed a Plan B. Klopp tells the story of how when he left high school, his principal was somewhat down on his prospects.

"Let's hope this football thing works out for you, Jurgen," he told him. "Because otherwise ..."

Then he frowned.

"For someone like me, I always knew that I wanted to be a coach, but I needed something else too, because it's not easy," Klopp says. "You need a lot of luck and a lot of coincidences to fall into place to get a chance. So I knew I needed a serious education. I knew nothing about sports science, but as it turned out, it was exactly what I needed. It was the perfect preparation for me. It's like in life ... every book you read, every newspaper you read, every conversation with a smarter person you have ... of course you need it, it makes you better."

Whether all this actually makes Liverpool better on the pitch, which ultimately is what his employers care about, will be determined in the next 10 months or so.

In the meantime, Liverpool have themselves a manager who is willing to take responsibility and oozes infectious enthusiasm, while remaining steadfastly humble and aware of his origins. In many ways, that's a welcome change from some of his predecessors and colleagues.
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baanke laal said:
They like bigging up their managers like no other.
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The stars in the sky do not lie...
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=242616.msg5752451#msg5752451
I am pleased Rafa has stood up to the playground bully this season. It wasnt Rafa's fight, it was mainly the other kids getting bullied you see, but as a humble and decent man Rafa thought it was time to right some wrongs. The line is in the sand now and we all know where we stand. Now we can look forward to a very interesting five years with Rafa holding all the right chess pieces.

As I saw 2 bright stars in the clear night from my bedroom window I focused on them for a minute or two and as I did, a shooting star came and disected the two. For them few moments I allowed myself to dream. I dreamt that perhaps Rafa was stood looking at the same stars and had seen the same thing.
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As I saw 2 bright stars in the clear night from my bedroom window I focused on them for a minute or two and as I did, a shooting star came and disected the two. For them few moments I allowed myself to dream. I dreamt that perhaps Rafa was stood looking at the same stars and had seen the same thing.
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Fuuuucking hell :lol:

Jesus that is gold! :lol:
 
Another season, another RAWK thread, another VdG repost:

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...but a new one in the works.
 
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More words of wisdom from PeterTheRead,

Exactly. A title contending team is so much more than a collection of big name signings. Manchester United were not supposed to win the league in 2013, just like Leicester were not supposed to win it last season.
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Feck me, so the team that won the Title in 2011, lost it on goal difference in 2012, is not supposed to win it in 2013!
And it's been compared to Leicester who only got promoted in 2015 and avoided relegation before winning the Title in 2016.
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Now I've seen it all!
 
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