Bah, people overrate managers so much in europe. The team with best players almost always come out on top. If Liverpool dont spend millions on players they won't go anywhere.
RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2015-16 Edition
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They did. They didn't.
they bought wrong ones.. maybe klopp can change that, maybe not..
Apparently he's a nudist!
Has anyone sent him directions to the famous Canning nudest colony in Toxeth yet?
are we at the "They.Are. Worried" phase yet?!!!!
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What an incredible hippy. He's well-suited to Liverpool, who are stuck in the 70s along with Leeds United, the Bay City Rollers, Man About The House and my fashion sense.
I think he should not have promised a league title within 4 years. He did promise them top 4 this season, which I guess is realistic. But expectations are enormous. They've only just signed him up and it's like they have already changed into a top side. For them to be considered challengers now, before a game has been played, is ideal. The only way is down or breaking even.
I don't think anybody thinks that there will be an overnight turn around.
I believe Klopp himself stated that he targets a league title within 4 years. So the first 2-3 years will be a building process.
He's just basically guaranteeing himself a nice easy 3 years regardless of results, loads of managers seem to be doing it.
He said title but I think he meant trophy. The words seem to be interchangeable for people with English as a second language, quite a few people do it.
EDIT: I can't remember exactly what he said mind so I could be talking shit.
EDIT: I can't remember exactly what he said mind so I could be talking shit.
if this was true, how come Man City haven't got 4-5 back to back league titles?
Cause a Matic-Fabregas midfield with a Costa-Hazard axis is better than Yaya-Fernando and Aguero-Silva (or was last season)?
I think Fontaine's point is basically true. Whenever Aguero-Silva failed to win a league they were out of form at points and bettered by other players. However we can argue to death whether their dips in form and the good form of others was down to the managers at the time.
I don't understand why this mindset persists even after the achievements of the likes of Simeone and Klopp, and the failure of Moyes. Of course the entire set of players matters more, but the manager matters a lot as well.
The problem with that is though, Klopp's Dortmund were a very good side. Maybe not quite the best on paper but easily the second best team in Germany so winning the league with it isn't so much of a surprise. (Yes, it wasn't considered to be that good until they did it but the players didn't magically improve) And Simeone has built a very good team as well.
Errrrrrm Chelsea and United ate not shy of a few bob
When he took over, Dortmund were very far away from having the 2nd best squad in the league.
When Klopp took over, Dortmund were to the Bundesliga what Everton are to the PL nowadays. At best. In the 5 seasons before his arrival they finished - 6th, 7th, 7th, 9th, 13th (07/08). Hardly "a very good side" and far from the second best team. He built that title-winning team, he didn't inherit it. In his first two seasons he finished 6th and 5th respectively, before winning the title in his third.
Yes he definitely meant a trophy, when she said win a title. Otherwise he would have said the title or the league.
In effect it took it him 3 years to put a side together capable of winning the German league which has 1 big dog in it. Be interesting to see how he does in England when in effect there are 3 or 4 teams which are bigger sides as things currently stand.
That's not my argument. I'm saying the side that won the title was. What happened before isn't important.
We're talking about the best players winning, which is what Dortmund had when they won.
I see. Well, even so, I'm not sure he had the second best team in the title winning season. The squad wasn't really that impressive. And even if it was, he built that team himself. That matters. Manager's job is not only to make the best out of what he's got but also to improve it, in general.
This is too serious, lads. Back to RAWK and their wild times 
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=323374.msg14195399#msg14195399
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=323374.msg14195399#msg14195399
That's true. But Liverpool also do have a lot more resources than Dortmund did at the time which has to be taken into account, as well.
Too much serious stuff in here that should be in the Liverpool general discussion , where are the crazy scouser comments ?
Changed their tune, haven't they?
So when they are signing Reus and Hummels then?
In the summer, Lewandowski in January la'
But so much of the perception of how good a player is has to do with how they are performing under their current manager. Take Kagawa. He never had the impact at United that he did in the Bundesliga, and after returning to Dortmund he has now returned to that level again. He didn't suddenly become a worse player and then better again. His relatively poor impact in the PL will be put down by many as inability to adapt to a different league but it could easily also be true that Fergie and Moyes just didn't get the best out of him (tbf to Sir Alex, he only had one season with Kagawa).
EDIT: Sorry for seriousness, I'll stop now.
Ah Kagawa.. what might have been. Had some superb performances for us under Fergie, if SAF had stayed things would have been different for him and RVP.
Back on topic.
It never ceases to make me laugh
http://talksport.com/football/best-liverpool-crystanbul-jokes-and-reaction-14050690035
http://talksport.com/football/best-liverpool-crystanbul-jokes-and-reaction-14050690035
original poster said the best squad win the league. City have had the best squad for the period I mentioned, hence questioning why they hadn't had a long run of titles...
ie, there are more things into the bargain than the best squad.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=323441.0
How can one forum have so many misty eyed dickheads who vomit out shite like this?
How can one forum have so many misty eyed dickheads who vomit out shite like this?
FIFA!!
A Liverpool fan applies for vacant post of Team Manager. This is the reply from the club.
Not even Football manager FFS!