Sober Bender more like.
Better!RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2015-16 Edition
- Thread starter Xaviesta
- Start date
Better!People like him don't truly give the club up, they just keep going on about how the United they supported back in the day was more virtuous than the version of today. As an extension of that, being older (before money entered the game) or computer illiterate (the internet's for woofters who don't get the game) automatically make you a better fan, but you need to keep moaning and letting everybody know that.
This just came from a Liverpool fan.
And Jonno still isn't happy.
"Things were better in my day."
Eddie Howe. I'm not kidding.
mood seems to have changed over there recently. Now its 'yeah ok he might win them a league, but then he'll burn the club to the ground and everyone in it. Cant wait'
LOL.
I've never felt the need to change the size of the letters before and it's only now I've realised I can't do it with my IPad.
On an Andy Tate interview:
Classy as ever.
Classy as ever.
Have you had a look at the Real Madrid thread?
Look, this is a very tolerant forum in the main - I probably wouldn't be here otherwise - but much of that is down to the fact that there is a Newbie system in place so most of the wums and hostile posters either get flushed out or condemned to a life sentence down in the Newbies. RAWK and Bluemoon don't have that but it doesn't mean there aren't good posters on both those forums. I'll also add that while this is a good forum, it isn't indicative of United's whole support base because of the fact that most of the idiotic United fans get banned, whereas BM has every demographic of City fan going and is far more representative of a club's support base. Most of my United supporting mates wouldn't want to join this forum as it's not tribal enough for them - they're far more likely to join Red Issue instead. Personally, I can do both - I can do the tribalism thing but I also like to engage in constructive debate.
About the RM thread, I didn't find anything remotely comparable to RAWK/BM standards. Lots of them hate RM for what they are , some of them don't. But I don't see them having a go at each other because someone said something against the general opinion.
I wasn't calling the entire Liverpool/City fanbase nutters when I was talking about RAWK/BM, neither was I glorifying entire United supporters of being open minded and better than others. I don't know where you got that idea from.
Don't get me started on Red Issue, most of the posters here consider them no better than Rawk/BM when it comes to delusion and tribalism.
If Bluemoon is a far more representative of the club's fan base, then it's a very very sad thing. It's one of the most vile football forum right now.
So much hatred for a football team like they possess for United is surely isn't healthy.
Also how on earth have you figured out RI is tribal considering the fact that it is not open for public viewing?
Yeah apologies, that was another poster when they said RAWK mirrored Liverpool's fanbase. I do think that some of the hatred in that Madrid thread is pretty odd though.
I'm not being funny but if you think City fans' hatred of United is bad then it pales into insignificance when set against other footballing rivalries, even in this country. Blackburn v Burnley is several notches higher in terms of hatred. I don't know whether you're local but around Manchester the City/United rivalry is certainly a 2 way thing - a mate of mine is clear in which team he hates the most: "It isn't Liverpool, it's you blue c**ts because I have to put up with you every day of the week". That said, City and United fans can still go out for a drink together. Compare that to a Spurs fan who we were talking to when they played Arsenal up here in the FA Cup semi in 2001 - he was astonished that a group of us were drinking together even though we were a mix of blue and red. According to him, you'd never get Spurs and Arsenal fans mixing like that.
It wasn't always closed to public viewing mate.
It has been for the last two-three years. feckers have stopped taking registrations aswell.
Yeah, probably longer than that I think.
Not local, but I do think Bluemoon's hate for United is disproportionate however people tend to hate stuff more when they're behind a computer screen. In real life maybe the things are different.
That's t'internet for you and most of us are capable of it. It might help bring the thread back into line a little if a few more sensible United posters signed up to BM and gave it a go. There have been a few decent United fans post on there down the years - Jack The United Fan dips in and out. JM Mcr was a great poster - he didn't take a backward step but always argued his points in a constructive way and it's a shame he's not been on for a while.
Funnily enough, some opposition fans on there reckon it's the best forum around but maybe that's because there's more constructive debate when it comes to discussing other clubs.
They're obviously just trying to stop any glory hunters from signing up now that their own glory years have returned.
This is the same view a City fan in my office has. I think it's their way of coping with the best thing to happen to United in a while.
To be fair, a lot on here would be saying the same if it was one of our rivals.
I'm not really sure what you're disagreeing with here. I've already said that, due to the mods tolerance of opposing views, this place is more 'honest' (less prone to descend to groupthink) and is why I'm here not there. Perhaps you missed my first post here where I said I've never liked RAWK and gave the reasons why.
My only protests were: that RAWK doesn't represent the entire Liverpool fanbase as some here imply (or outright state); and that this place is not immune from the same type of obsessive posters, who complain about refs, wish injuries on rivals clubs players and so on. I'd be surprised if a fair amount of those posters weren't among the most frequent users of this thread. It seems a natural place for Utd fans wanting to prove their credentials to their peers to hang out.
Last edited:
Someone said further up that RAWK does mirror Liverpool's fanbase but I tend to disagree. I know it's only a small sample size but I know 3 Liverpool fans - 2 from the Greater Manchester area and 1 from Liverpool itself. None of them display the "cultist" attitude that you often see on RAWK. However, there are loads of good posters on RAWK that don't buy into any of that. The Liverpool fan I know from Liverpool is probably one of the most magnanimous football fans I've ever met - in some ways he's probably too magnanimous to be a football fan, often going out of his way to congratulate me when City wins an important game and my United supporting boss when they win one. When he was at a United v Liverpool match at Old Trafford a couple of seasons ago as a guest of our company in the hospitality section, he was astonished at the level of vitriol directed towards Liverpool from United fans - I'm not sure what else he was expecting because I'm sure if it was flipped there would be similar behaviour from Liverpool fans at Anfield towards United but maybe he's not used to watching matches in such a hostile atmosphere.
Fact is that you can cherry pick all the worst comments from every forum - including this one - and it won't show that forum in a good light. And it does seem to be the case that opposition fans will pick out the worst possible posts from their rival's forum to highlight how "bad" those fans/forums are.
That is not allowed on the Caf. You should report any posts of that nature.
Been trying to stay out of this one...
Where? They have been decreasing over the years since Rafa's sacking - I think that was the turning point of the forums. Threads got locked with increasing regularity, so discussions involving both good and bad posters came to a crashing halt. What's worse is that the mods got proactive, so a thread on a previously contentious subject gets locked in minutes.
Would anyone want to stay in a forum like that?
Where? They have been decreasing over the years since Rafa's sacking - I think that was the turning point of the forums. Threads got locked with increasing regularity, so discussions involving both good and bad posters came to a crashing halt. What's worse is that the mods got proactive, so a thread on a previously contentious subject gets locked in minutes.
Would anyone want to stay in a forum like that?
Close the thread.
It's become a discussion thread.
It's become a discussion thread.
I'd have to agree with WoolyRed regards the boldened part. They seem to be few and far between (at least on the rare occassions I lurk there) and the mods have no compunctions in letting them know what the line is. One good thing I'll say about RAWK is that it's a very comprehensive forum, with plenty of subforums on pretty much anything LFC-related. And it's nowhere near as nasty as some here would have it. if anything, I find it too wet and soppy for my tastes.
And that post above you referred to, claiming that all LFC fans are like RAWK fans, was such a laughable generalisation I actually thought it a wind-up. I certainly hope it was.
That's RAWKish behaviour, that.
Yeah, I totally agree about the North Korean-esque modding mate which doesn't help matters. However, there are over 41,000 members on there and they're not all bad posters. As a City fan, I could pick out a stack of hate-filled posts in the City thread (a United fan could do likewise on the United thread and an Everton fan on the Everton thread) and make the generalistic claim that they're all bad posters but that would be unfair as we're only talking about a handful of people from the forum. There are plenty of knowledgeable posts on all manner of other subjects.
That Jonno White bloke though - is he really a United fan?
I disagree with that to be honest. There is a rivalry between City and United but we're from the same place at the end of it all. I see a hatred of Liverpool that runs beyond the football club and it dates back centuries.
Then again in Gorton you are in a pretty City heavy area.
I'd have to say they hit their peak of delusion under Rafa, because they were at least semi competitive with us and it was our most successful period, which made them extra bitter.
During 06-09 nearly all their posters were literally convinced Ferguson ran the FA, and we owed all our success to the help we get from refs. The few that didn't follow this conspiracy theory had the alternative view of "yes, we know United get favourable treatment from refs every game, but it's simply down to Whisky nose intimidating these spineless officials".
They also thought they had better players than us all over the pitch, the only player they rated of ours was Ronaldo and so they branded us a one man team. Also see how they backed Rafa over his facts rant in 2009, and they blamed the refs for them not winning the title that season, despite them playing a third of their league matches against 10 men.
Each to their own I guess but I think there is something in the theory that the more you encounter rival fans in your everyday life adds to the rivalry. Make no mistake, the mate of mine I quoted can't stand Liverpool but he doesn't have an almost daily interaction with their fans like he does with City's. The Manchester-Liverpool rivalry does go back a long way but I don't think it started manifesting itself in football until at least the 1960's when supporters became more tribalistic in general. City fans have had their problems with the Merseyside clubs down the years too, particularly in the 70's and 80's but while Liverpool wasn't exactly a walk in the park we've had more issues and incidents with Everton fans.
Gorton isn't really as blue an area as it used to be - I think 20 years or so of United success while City weren't even close to challenging has seen City's support diluted in that and other areas.
Fair enough, ive been out of the area 10 years. When i was growing up noone really cared about City. It was all about beating Liverpool. And you'd be lynched in Gorton if you wore a red shirt.
Any meltdowns due to RAshfords inclusion in the Europe squad?
"its only because of foochen Davil Gill and baconface strongarming the FA, la'"
"its only because of foochen Davil Gill and baconface strongarming the FA, la'"
Private euros forum on rawk