Off topic / foreign n00b question: why you practically never see away United fans wear our kits or colors?Also, these kind of videos always make me envious to no end.
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RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition
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To be fair, how Benitez is doing now with Napoli is irrelevant to how good Liverpool were when he managed them.
It's still laughable of course, the idea they were feared in Europe at all, let alone more than other teams.
It's still laughable of course, the idea they were feared in Europe at all, let alone more than other teams.
FFS, I missed that matchBrilliant footage that night, I'll always remember my father giddily grabbing some beers from the fridge as this unfolded in front of us. Two of us grinning ear to ear.
What a memory that is. You'll take that to the grave with you! #envious!Did SAF really took tips from them?
I imagine he got some suggestions from Mourinho and took some of them on board.
As for Rafa?
As for Rafa?
Are you seriously asking that?
Yup, we can thank to Rafa for our European success from 2007.
Its a renowned fact that SAF would have never won anything without Rafa
Sorry my sarcasm wasn't that obvious.
Technically our CL win against Chelsea counts as a Liverpool CL win, then, 6 times, 6 times!
Get the bus out!!
Absolutely. I think he has nothing to do with United, except being the Liverpool-dream of a United-supporter, but otherwise the internet is great for old people. No more old-age solitude. Without the internet I'd be a lonely old man with nothing in life to enjoy. Half of you wouldn't even look at me in the real world, let alone speak to me. Yet on here...well half of you still don't look at me and don't reply to my fascinating posts full of depth and insight, but at least I feel like part of a big picture.
I think that poster might be referring to how we shifted to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 about that time. I don't think it's a Rafa thing, though - 4-2-3-1 was in vogue at the time anyway - but we had a certain Portuguese "winger" who was scoring buckets and it would have been a waste to accommodate him as a pure winger. We also had Fletcher, Carrick and Scholes all fit and in-form, so 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 hybrid was a natural solution to all our problems. The addition of Tévez gave us a fully-interchangeable front line - something Rafa never did (and never would have, with his extra-cautious approach).
If you listen carefully at about 1:10-1:15, you can hear Suarez audibly weeping. It's magnificent.
Cheers Colin, I'll go get my teeth...Quoted so you don't feel lonely & useless any more
I have to agree and must give great credit to whomever came up with this piece of genius. Has to be on every page.
I would look at you because I have a kind of pervy infatuation with old people.
Wow, thanks guys. And all the many others who replied...
Ok, he may not have won any Premier League medals BUT has any footballer ever had a smaller forehead than Stevie G? No.
You know things are bad when even John bloody Flanagan reckons he can do better
Probably the most sensible post I've ever seen on RAWK.
Who does the RAWK Meltdown Twitter feed? Is that someone from here?
Sure, its all a big coincidence...
Not me mate. I value my sanity too much to sign up for that place
OMG
I wasn't alive when Liverpools demise started with Souness etc but I still don't understand how they fell behind so fast. Surely after all that 70s and 80s success they would have had plenty of money to spend on star players? Like from what I've read is that Alan Shearer rejected United for Blackburn but why weren't Liverpool after him as well?
They seemed to have some good young players too in Fowler and McManaman + some others that I've forgotten about. It must have taken staggering amounts of mismanagement to have fallen behind like that.
Does anyone remember when Liverpool fans started to get worried about the future of the club and the direction it was going? 2-3 years after no league title...5-7 years?
Makes you shudder at the thought of us giving Moyes more time and going through the same thing.
They seemed to have some good young players too in Fowler and McManaman + some others that I've forgotten about. It must have taken staggering amounts of mismanagement to have fallen behind like that.
Does anyone remember when Liverpool fans started to get worried about the future of the club and the direction it was going? 2-3 years after no league title...5-7 years?
Makes you shudder at the thought of us giving Moyes more time and going through the same thing.
Liverpool's demise started when the backpass law was changed. They found it difficult to bore teams into submission after that.
Is that Cantona guy also a poster on the CAF?
If you're going to choose one internet forum, I have no idea why it would be RAWK as an opposition supporter.
If you're going to choose one internet forum, I have no idea why it would be RAWK as an opposition supporter.
Reading how Phil Thompson got sacked is pretty funny. He bitched about Souness to Brian Kidd. Who told Fergie, who told Archie Knox, who told Walter Smith who told Souness.
I think it's very easy to forget that the foundation of United's success began with Fergie and the class of '92. Imagine in the 90's if we'd have gone through 7-8 poor managers and had to spend big money on 5-6 extra player's that didn't come through our youth system and then re-invested because the next manager didn't rate some of the previous managers purchases, it would have had a detrimental effect on everything. All the money that went into increasing the capacity of the stadium, modernising aspects of the club and facilities and buying a few great player's would have probably have gone on constantly trying to keep up with other clubs.
It is a lot easier to stay on top than to try and claw your way back on top; just look at our spending over the last 18 months if you need proof of that. Fergie kept us on top competing with teams who over the years have thrown a lot more money at transfers (Liverpool, Chelsea, City).
It's a difficult one for Liverpool as in hindsight in the late 80's/early 90's they should have built a new 70,000 seater modern stadium and concentrated on long terms investments, rather than short term ones. However at the time I'm sure they thought: "we throw money at the problem, get back on top and then we can focus on our long term strategy". Their short term priorities were never met, which meant their long term priorities were perpetually shelved.
We had Cantona, they had Oyvind Leonhardsen. Our young players trained with the likes of Hughes, Bruce and Robson. Theirs turned up at an FA Cup final in beige suits. We had Fergie, they had Roy Evans AND Gérard Houllier at the same time. We had Karl Poborsky. They had Patrick Berger. OK forget the last one.
Liverpool are not going to get far if they keep building their teams around a single player. Replacing Suarez is almost impossible, there was no way they could have done it.. Should have been planning for his exit a season earlier, and trying to bring in players that fit into their style of play rather than throwing money at 3-4 players, hoping at least one of them can have an impact like Suarez did. It seems like everyone except those at Liverpool knew Suarez was going to leave, it was sure to happen.
Fergie never built his team revolving on one player, that's why we've lasted so long.. It helped that we had Neville, Giggs, Scholes stay for so long but we've had other big names come and go, but each time we had someone ready to step up. We weren't throwing 18-19 year old players in the deep, expecting them to carry a team through the entire season, Liverpool lack that at the moment. They should stop focusing on next season and instead be planning for where they want to finish 2 or 3 seasons from now and build a team focusing on that. I know it's easier said than done but their lack of foresight is still their biggest problem
Fergie never built his team revolving on one player, that's why we've lasted so long.. It helped that we had Neville, Giggs, Scholes stay for so long but we've had other big names come and go, but each time we had someone ready to step up. We weren't throwing 18-19 year old players in the deep, expecting them to carry a team through the entire season, Liverpool lack that at the moment. They should stop focusing on next season and instead be planning for where they want to finish 2 or 3 seasons from now and build a team focusing on that. I know it's easier said than done but their lack of foresight is still their biggest problem
@finneh Yeah the stadium is definitely somewhere that Liverpool have been left behind. You can just at Arsenal now and see the benefits of building a new massive stadium and the effects it has on revenue.
The whole Stanley park stuff was a mess and I think they actually managed to lose 60m on the project with nothing to show for it. I think the new owners are planning to upgrade Anfield into a 55k stadium now though but it still seems small considering the size of the club.
The whole Stanley park stuff was a mess and I think they actually managed to lose 60m on the project with nothing to show for it. I think the new owners are planning to upgrade Anfield into a 55k stadium now though but it still seems small considering the size of the club.
hearing Flanagan hasn't refused to sign a new contract, rather he cannot sign a new contract. as in write his own name in ink
Our rise with Ferguson in the early 90's came about at pretty much the perfect time. This is when the money being injected into the game was starting to be taken to the next level as well. We was basically a sleeping giant, I don't think there was anything Liverpool could do to prevent themselves being dethroned at that point.
For Liverpool the difference is more than qualifying for the Champions League each year. The difference is around £55m each season nowadays, which even with price increases and inflation etc you'll be looking at around £600-700m in the last 25 years.
Sometimes it's better to take the short term pain of a mortgage and the interest that goes with, along with the short term cash flow problems for the long term benefits. As you say Arsenal are a shining example of that; but again even that has taken Wenger's genius to essentially spend no money on transfers for a decade, whilst keeping them in the Champions League.
If Liverpool had gotten a Fergie or a Wenger they'd probably be where Arsenal are right now; mind you they'd have probably sacked either of them 3-4 seasons in for not meeting expectations.
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A Letter to the Club ~
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A Letter to the Club ~
Teaser:
More (much more):
http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/topic/107798-a-very-long-letter-to-the-club/