RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

Rawkite: We (Liverpool) always give Barca or Real a game.
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Liverpool have beaten Barca 3 times and drawn against them 3 times. We've beaten thm 3 times and drawn against them 4 times. Since the last time Liverpool played them in the Champions League in 2007 (one win, one loss) we've had a win and a draw against them in 2008 (which they have admittedly improved upon considerably). Obviously we've lost to them twice, but they were hardly the same side Liverpool played four years ago. I'd love to see them take on the current Barca side, but luckily for them it'll probably never happen. They do have a better record against Real though with 3 wins to our 2.

Anyway, it got me wondering how we compare to Liverpool against Europe's top sides (any team with 2 European Cup/Champions League titles that we have both played in Europe, not counting Super Cup games) historically:

Liverpool vs Barca: 8 games: 3 wins, 3 draws, 2 losses.
Liverpool vs Real: 3 games: 3 wins.
Liverpool vs Milan: 2 games: 1 win, 1 loss.
Liverpool vs Bayern: 6 games: 1 win, 4 draws, 1 loss.
Liverpool vs Juventus: 5 games: 2 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses.
Liverpool vs Ajax: 2 games: 1 loss, 1 draw.
Liverpool vs Inter: 2 games: 2 wins.
Liverpool vs Benfica: 10 games: 6 wins, 4 loss.
Liverpool vs Porto: 4 games: 2 wins, 2 draws.

Manchester United vs Barca: 11 games: 3 wins, 4 draws, 4 losses.
Manchester United vs Real: 8 games: 2 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses.
Manchester United vs Milan: 10 games: 5 wins, 5 losses.
Manchester United vs Bayern: 9 games: 2 wins, 4 draws, 3 losses.
Manchester United vs Juventus: 12 games: 5 wins, 2 draws, 5 losses.
Manchester United vs Ajax: 2 games: 1 win, 1 loss.
Manchester United vs Inter: 4 games: 2 wins, 2 draws.
Manchester United vs Benfica: 7 games: 6 wins, 1 loss.
Manchester United vs Porto: 8 games: 3 wins, 3 draws, 2 losses.

Totals:
Liverpool: 42 games: 21 wins (50%), 11 draws (26%), 10 losses (24%)
Manchester United: 71 games: 29 wins (41%), 18 draws (25%), 24 losses (34%)

So we have been drawn against the top sides in Europe 29 times more than them and have a superior number of wins against all of them but Real Madrid (and the same against Benfica in fewer games). Our win percentage is not as good, however.
 
Some of the shite they post, butter wouldn't melt in a Scouser's eyes.

As a United supporter I admit that I hate it when Nani dives, I hate it when the players surround the ref etc. But over at RAWK, Liverpool FC are this perfect, symbolic footballing side that does no wrong and is constantly cheated against.

They're bitter maniacs!
 
The Mancs are scared of us for next season.
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The Mancs are scared of us next season???

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Yup. We're afraid that Charlie Adam will trip over, fall through the pitch and end-up in Australia, thus causing a worldwide tsunami.
 
If they genuinely believe anyone in the top four fears them then they're in for a massive disappointment. Can't wait.
 
I'm scared of being on the end of a Charlie Adam special.

2 large pizzas, coleslaw, garlic bread, 2 litre bottle of coke and a cheesecake.
 
They will be genuine behemoths of world football in 12 months time. I reckon even Barca are shitting it now they've added Adam to Henderson and co
 
Not RAWK but equally delusional

A lot of people like to laugh at Liverpool fans. It's started already with scorn being poured on those who feel this coming season could, at last, be a victorious one for them in the Premier League. This ambition alone is enough to make their critics howl in contempt as though daring to dream of success is in itself a form of madness and delusion.

After all, it's over two decades since Liverpool topped the league - enough length of time for everyone under the age of 30 to be unable to recall. To them it must seem an ages-old piece of history.

While there's no doubt that there is a section of Reds fans who are, to say the least, somewhat over-reactive to criticism and thus attract a disproportionate amount of ire and mockery from the rest of the football community, I often feel that those keen to stick the knife into Liverpool and who treat them as just another club with bonkers fans both underestimate and under-appreciate the nature of Liverpool FC.

It is not a normal football club with title pretensions. Rather, it is one of the few - possibly the only club - with the resources, weight of legend and self-belief to break the Chelsea-Manchester United hegemony and challenge Manchester City's vaulting ambition.

Unlike City, and unlike other outside title bets such as Spurs or Arsenal, Liverpool were once the biggest club in world football. They were unrivalled. They were a football machine. They were all-conquering, not just for one or two seasons but season in, season out for the best part of 20 years. They were a by-word for success the world over.

This is not a title to shrug off lightly, not even 20 years since a title victory. It is the stuff of myth and legend and it drives their fans the way it simply cannot for a club such as Arsenal with no European success or Spurs with no title win since 1961.

It goes some way to explain the depths of hurt and desire for success that pervade the club. To my generation, who grew up inculcated with the Reds' dominance, it still - even all these years later - feels wrong that Liverpool are not fighting for the title every season. It feels almost unnatural. It doesn't feel like that in relation any other club; not one. Liverpool is unique.

Other football clubs aspire to greatness. Chelsea and City want global domination and global brand awareness but Liverpool had that 35 years ago. Liverpool were a red army that put all European and domestic challengers to the sword with a ruthless brilliance that no-one has ever matched since. No amount of money spent by either club is likely to match Liverpool's achievements and even if they did, it would be tainted by virtue of the size of that financial weighting. In other words, they will never out-Liverpool Liverpool. They've been there and done it already.

There is collective folk memory of those times that lives on in the hearts of all true Liverpool fans, even in me as a neutral. I witnessed one of their glory nights of European football - a 1977 quarter-final against St Etienne. Needing a third goal to win the tie, supersub David Fairclough, a 20-year-old streak of red flame, ripped through the dark night to win the game with a goal in the dying minutes.

It was awesome in every sense of that word. The whole of Anfield united as one living, breathing, screaming organism. This wasn't the polite delight of the corporate world in which we now live. This wasn't the seated, suited and booted world of 2011, this was when the Kop ebbed and flowed like the tides of the Mersey. This was a more dangerous time. But it was life-affirming and sodding brilliant.

Now I only saw that one game live, but if you or your parents or relations had spent their life at many such games, the emptiness of the last 20 years must be a unique pain. Liverpool were the highest of the high and will not, cannot let go of the feeling and belief that they will and should be again.

This is why Kenny Dalglish is so important in the new gold dream. He is a visceral link to those days of world dominance. The desire for him to be the mainline vein to connect the past to the present is overwhelming so any decision he makes, be it to buy Jordan Henderson for quite a lot of money or Andy Carroll for a massive amount of money, is welcomed and believed in. Kenny wasn't just part of the Liverpool machine that ruled European football - he was the hero of that side; the jewel in a glittering crown and thus, like no other man, is held to be the guiding light to take them back to the summit of world football again; to reclaim their crown.

You might feel Liverpool is in love with its own myth to the point of self-harm and you may be right. But if anyone has the right to believe in future glory it is Liverpool FC. They are no ordinary club, they are no ordinary set of fans; they have a history that simply no other club can match. They have been deposed for a long time but they are still kings in waiting; a sleeping dog that has already awakened.

This is why the passion is so near the surface and why the need to believe in near and future success burns like an abandoned Vauxhall Nova in Norris Green. It should not be so easily mocked nor so easily dismissed.

With a summer spending money and revamping their squad, the feeling that Liverpool are on the up is irresistible.
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Liverpool will challenge for the Premier League because they were once great? Must be July again.

EDIT: Wait, that's got to be parody. At the end it compares Liverpool fandom to a burning Vauxhall Nova and says that's why it shouldn't be mocked or dismissed.
 
SAF didn't say anything about him quaking in his boots at the prospects of Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson teaming up with Kenny? Hmmm I must have sworn that some blokes at RAWK stated it as facht.
 
The whole piece is a masterclass of special pleading and entitlement...but sentiment wins you nothing. The emphasis on Liverpool and its fans being 'unique' makes it too obvious that the article is the work of an LFC supporter.
 
This will be Liverpool's year. They'll put together a fantastic team and add to their 3 Europa League/UEFA Cup titles, while we only have 3. 3 to 0. :(
 
Sir Matt said:
This will be Liverpool's year. They'll put together a fantastic team and add to their 3 Europa League/UEFA Cup titles, while we only have 3. 3 to 0. :(
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What's their excuse this time to get Uefa to bend over backwards? :confused:
 
and you also have to add that Pogue actually wasn't even having a go at armchair fans.
 
Man Utd offer nani in part exchange for Sneijder

We got Adam from Backpool so thats sorted. As far northhampton and other goes, it was under hodgson and Northhampton we had reserve side playing there. Not claiming we are word beaters but we'll definitely give much better game than what Manc gave to barca. And for record we beat Barca just few seasons ago with Ronaldhino, Xavi and Messi in it.
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Jesus wept. :lol:
 
It's interesting though that they think they will finish third next season ie, that its between Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool with the latter (in their opinion) probably taking third spot.

Most seem to think Chelsea will do really badly next season. Bizarre.
 
Cal? said:
What's their excuse this time to get Uefa to bend over backwards? :confused:
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Rules don't matter when it comes to Liverpool. It's their year, whether they're supposed to be in the competition or not. Nothing can stand in their way, especially not measly qualification.
 
Plan M said:
We got Adam from Backpool so thats sorted. As far northhampton and other goes, it was under hodgson and Northhampton we had reserve side playing there. Not claiming we are word beaters but we'll definitely give much better game than what Manc gave to barca. And for record we beat Barca just few seasons ago with Ronaldhino, Xavi and Messi in it.
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Plan M said:
Man Utd offer nani in part exchange for Sneijder



Jesus wept. :lol:
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They're definitely "word beaters".
 
I love how they continue to delude themselves that a side who couldnt even qualify for the champions league would have performed better than a side who reached the final and has proven beyond doubt to be far superior than themselves did, i just love the logic to it, they couldnt even score a goal never mind beat the mighty Braga over 2 legs but theyd have given Barcelona a real game!.....:lol:
 
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