I don’t think they are comparable - just they played for Benfica. Nunez always looked clunky and a bit technically inept. Ramos I see as a different proposition. Hattrick at the WC can’t be overlooked for a young player.I don't know after Darwin I'm a bit iffy on Ramos, I think he'll cost more than Hojlund and to me they seem to be in a similar boat. Neither you'd say is bordering elite yet, but both have the potential to be at least playing for a top team in a top 5 league at some point in their career.
If we were gonna risk it for one of these players than I'd least take the one that's cheaper. Also I don't think he'll be that expensive. I can see 40+20million in add-ons pounds as something Atalanta would be open to going for. They can't ask for anything north of 60 million and expect to get it when Hojlund hasn't shown enough yet.
Oh when I mentioned Darwin I think it was more of the situation of the time not style. Rising player with only 1 really good year for Benfica and would demand similar amounts. Benfica doesn't have to sell for cheap. They made a lot of money for Darwin and Enzo, they can drag on negotiations for more money much longer than we'd like to.I don’t think they are comparable - just they played for Benfica. Nunez always looked clunky and a bit technically inept. Ramos I see as a different proposition. Hattrick at the WC can’t be overlooked for a young player.
Hojlund looks good but his numbers are hardly wow, even though he’s young still - surely can’t be the main man now. The only two ”safe bets” are Kane and Osimhen. Even Osimhen could struggle in prem.
Isn’t he a bit too young to lead the line at an elite player club like United? Even Rooney came to us when we had RVN. Developing steadily at a relaxed club like Brighton is very different to the spot line and intensity at United
I think Ramos has the X-factor. This lad would be a big risk. Osimhen and Kane the top targets though surely, shame we aren’t in a position to buy a star striker and a Hojlund/Ferguson as understudy.
He is, but we probably need two strikers this summer anyway. Hopefully the other is Kane who can provide the experience and quality while the other younger one eases in.Isn’t he a bit too young to lead the line at an elite player club like United? Even Rooney came to us when we had RVN. Developing steadily at a relaxed club like Brighton is very different to the spot line and intensity at United
I don’t think they are comparable - just they played for Benfica. Nunez always looked clunky and a bit technically inept. Ramos I see as a different proposition. Hattrick at the WC can’t be overlooked for a young player.
Hojlund looks good but his numbers are hardly wow, even though he’s young still - surely can’t be the main man now. The only two ”safe bets” are Kane and Osimhen. Even Osimhen could struggle in prem.
He is, but we probably need two strikers this summer anyway. Hopefully the other is Kane who can provide the experience and quality while the other younger one eases in.
I don’t think you even understood what the example was being used to conveyRooney was younger. If they’re good enough they play. Rooney was a freak though so bad example
I don’t think you even understood what the example was being used to convey
The point was that even Rooney was brought in without the expectation of being the man to lead our front line. And he was a freakishly good talent. This lad is going to cost an absolute bomb to boot. So it’s a signing that makes no sense from our perspectivethat we need experience aswell as youth? So the young player can develop alongside and learn from a world class striker? Aka kane AND Rasmus?
On paper it's obviously not a great return. 42 appearences for club and country this season with 17 goals and 2 assists, he is raw no doubt about it, but his attributes are extremely good and he's only just turned 20.
He's very fast, already has good strength and height for his age, a good left foot on him and he's pretty good at dribbling and bringing others into play.
I know people are saying we shouldn't be relying on him, and I agree he's young, he ideally should be brought in alongside a much more accomplished striker. But when was the last time we invested in a good young forward, all I can remember is the likes of Ibrahimovic and Ighalo, Cavani, now Weghorst. It's about time we got the blood of a young forward in the team hungry for goals.
Kane is going to cost in excess of 100mill it looks like, Osimhen 100-150, Ramos 80-100 with other teams on the lookout for a striker too, it might be that we have to go for someone like Hojlund and honestly I wouldn't be against it. Slot him into a better team with us and have the likes of Bruno feeding him and I have absolutely no doubt your'll see his numbers go way up. Reminder again that he's 20 and plays for Atalanta, his stats suggest he isn't getting much service in order to get into a position to take a lot of shots and it shows, but with us i've no doubt he will.
If he can be brought in alongside a Kane, amazing. But I can't remember the last time United fans were this down on recruiting a young exciting forward prospect, I think Fergie would be excited at the prospect of signing the likes of him or Ferguson.
The point was that even Rooney was brought in without the expectation of being the man to lead our front line. And he was a freakishly good talent. This lad is going to cost an absolute bomb to boot. So it’s a signing that makes no sense from our perspective
The point was that even Rooney was brought in without the expectation of being the man to lead our front line. And he was a freakishly good talent. This lad is going to cost an absolute bomb to boot. So it’s a signing that makes no sense from our perspective
I agree. They are raw until they are not, and when they are not, they are out of reach.
I’d argue this very post goes against your point.The point was that even Rooney was brought in without the expectation of being the man to lead our front line. And he was a freakishly good talent. This lad is going to cost an absolute bomb to boot. So it’s a signing that makes no sense from our perspective
Do expand.I’d argue this very post goes against your point.
I agree with this and the quoted post too. We are fourth, should have been easily third if we had not got giddy with ambition and chased too many competitions in January and February, we aren't going to be really challenging this City side anyway, we also badly need squad depth in midfield and a goalkeeper with a profile suitable for the way we play and we do hve a 30 goal player within our ranks whilst Antony looks like he starting to kick on.I agree. They are raw until they are not, and when they are not, they are out of reach.
60mil?
He does look very promising indeed, but I would be looking at Osimhen or Kolo Muani before this lad. I don't buy the idea we'll buy two.
Signed a new contract so isn’t availableWould prefer Ferguson of Brighton.
Osimhen is out of reach. No chance we are paying 130 to 150m. Napoli won't let him go cheap.
I'd be happy with Hojlund or Muani tbb. Think they are the right profile for what we should be building towards.
Exactly.Blowing all our money on Kane and starting next season with the press trigger that is De Gea as first choice, being one Casemiro sending off away from disaster and still extracting whatever juice is left from Eriksen will not improve us as much as we expect in my view.
That's probably true, but Kolo Muani might be too. He was wanted by Bayern I think.
Kolo Muani also likely out of reach with what Frankfurt are asking for. Hojlund looking our best bet right now.Osimhen is out of reach. No chance we are paying 130 to 150m. Napoli won't let him go cheap.
I'd be happy with Hojlund or Muani tbb. Think they are the right profile for what we should be building towards.
Muani is over priced. No way you can buy him and a marquee.Osimhen is out of reach. No chance we are paying 130 to 150m. Napoli won't let him go cheap.
I'd be happy with Hojlund or Muani tbb. Think they are the right profile for what we should be building towards.
So true and I worry that we never learn so we might still have a few windows in us where we buy the name and ignore the potential upsides and downsides. We could indulge in the Cavanis and the Ibras because they were free and we had young upcoming strikers in both periods who we needed to grow under their wings, now we don't and knowing our luck we will buy Kane then watch him do a Maticsque huge decline six months later.Exactly.
Kane would be yet another shortcut, an attempt to skip all that tedious squad- and team building, and instead rely on one player to paper over the cracks with his individual quality. Not to mention he'd severely limit our tactical options because of his lack of pace and mobility. The attack would have to be built around him entirely.
I'd much rather take a punt on a younger, more energetic forward who offers both link-up play and a threat in behind. I'm not sure that's Hojlund but I'd rather try now then lament missing out in a couple of years.
100%.I agree with this and the quoted post too. We are fourth, should have been easily third if we had not got giddy with ambition and chased too many competitions in January and February, we aren't going to be really challenging this City side anyway, we also badly need squad depth in midfield and a goalkeeper with a profile suitable for the way we play and we do hve a 30 goal player within our ranks whilst Antony looks like he starting to kick on.
All of the above mean that we can absolutely carry a 20 year old goalscorer whilst making the necessary improvements in other areas that will make us a more solid outfit off the ball but with more fluidity on it. I think we can take the risk on him, buy a couple of midfielders and goalkeeper that we need and improve with him at the level is currently on but there is a good chance that he will explode within six months to a year when he understands his game more and is able to bring it all together.
Blowing all our money on Kane and starting next season with the press trigger that is De Gea as first choice, being one Casemiro sending off away from disaster and still extracting whatever juice is left from Eriksen will not improve us as much as we expect in my view.
He certainly should be looked at as well, I understand that he is more or less a dilligent and even stronger version of Martial but without the natural finishing ability and a little less technicality. If no perfect option opens up, I think he could do a job.Thuram on a free should be the striker aside from our marquee signing that we sign. If we have any sense. This kid is the next best bet
I like this strategy. And I agree we are probably better off assembling a team that could be peaking in 1-2 years and go for glory then rather than trying to force it with Kane and making use of Casemiro and Varane. I understand the intentions behind that but to it is way too risky to warrant the outlay.So true and I worry that we never learn so we might still have a few windows in us where we buy the name and ignore the potential upsides and downsides. We could indulge in the Cavanis and the Ibras because they were free and we had young upcoming strikers in both periods who we needed to grow under their wings, now we don't and knowing our luck we will buy Kane then watch him do a Maticsque huge decline six months later.
If we can't get Osimhen and aren't sure about the ceilings, availability and suitability of Muani/Ramos we should snap this kid up, keep Martial for rotation and reevaluate in 18 months. If we have the hundred million I'd rather we spend it on Toney, now that we know the length of his absence and Hoiglund. Toney would give us the cover we need whilst we see Hoiglind's ceiling and we do have a team good enough to survive half a season without our chief striker whilst the kid beds in.
Yeah we should look at Arsenal and then look at our dealings over the past five years where we have gone for the ultimate signing instead of spreading funds around to build a solid team. We should do more of the Bruno, Licha and Malacia signings and less of the Sancho, Maguire and Casemiro ones.100%.
He certainly should be looked at as well, I understand that he is more or less a dilligent and even stronger version of Martial but without the natural finishing ability and a little less technicality. If no perfect option opens up, I think he could do a job.
I like this strategy. And I agree we are probably better off assembling a team that could be peaking in 1-2 years and go for glory then rather than trying to force it with Kane and making use of Casemiro and Varane. I understand the intentions behind that but to it is way too risky to warrant the outlay.
Muani is over priced. No way you can buy him and a marquee.
Funny to lump the first 2 in with the latter 2For a club who have signed Lukaku, Ibrahimovic, Ighalo and Weghorst as strikers - we sure seem to be wierd about Harry Kane.
Would be a perfect transfer window that. I do think we have decide if we want depth or we go for Kane. I don't see how we get him and afford depth.I've watched a bit of him this season and he does look like a interesting young forward who is technically good, as well as being versatile, where I feel he can play multiple roles in attack. As the main striker he's shown good ability to play with his back to goal, aswell as exploit space in-behind with his pace. And he can also be utilised as a right sided forward, as well as play off the main striker. It's to see why a player with Rasmus Højlund's profile would interest Erik ten Hag and the recruitment department. He potentially provides many tactical solutions due to his versatility imo.
If you can bring in Harry Kane alongside this lad, then that's potentially a good move. Add a GK, RB and creative CM to the mix with the addition of Rabiot on a free transfer, then that would be a good transfer window imo.
Funny to lump the first 2 in with the latter 2
