Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United

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I actually agree with the bolded part, but then what choices are there? in an ideal scenario, we get Hojlund at a 25-30M and he is treated a project player, but Atlanta are within their rights to demand a high fee, the only way for young players to move to bigger clubs for less money is either to run down their contracts down or do what Haaland did, which is agree on a release clause and when said player performs well and attracts the attention of big clubs, he will have the option to choose a top club he prefers, otherwise, the selling club holds all the cards and will demand a hefty fee, especially if several clubs are chasing the same player.

The one biggest issue for me here is the lack of striker options, there are only few to choose from, compared to CBs or CMs, do we go for Kane & Osimhen, then we need to pay 100-150M, do we go for a young one, then there is Hojlund, or that fella from RB, if we try to get a striker from PL, like Watkins, they'll demand at the very least 70-80M, not Kane money but it's gonna be expensive.
My view is that when there's so little difference in the costs, you should always go with the world class option in Kane or Osimhen. Frankly I don't ever want to see us paying more than £50m for potential again. If the young player is a superstar like a Messi, Rooney, Mbappe, Haaland that's fine because you're not just buying their potential, you're buying them to have an immediate impact, but any decent or good young player should never be going for more than £50m imo. I really struggle to think of any young player who's ever gone for that amount (who wasn't already considered exceptional) and gone on to succeed. The success stories are almost always signed for less than that, probably because they can develop without the crazy fee hanging over their head.
 
My view is that when there's so little difference in the costs, you should always go with the world class option in Kane or Osimhen. Frankly I don't ever want to see us paying more than £50m for potential again. If the young player is a superstar like a Messi, Rooney, Mbappe, Haaland that's fine because you're not just buying their potential, you're buying them to have an immediate impact, but any decent or good young player should never be going for more than £50m imo. I really struggle to think of any young player who's ever gone for that amount (who wasn't already considered exceptional) and gone on to succeed. The success stories are almost always signed for less than that, probably because they can develop without the crazy fee hanging over their head.

Depending on the club's sale and funds available for transfer, I also would rather go for Kane or Osimhen, so we agree on that, Hojlund shouldn't cost more than 40 in my eyes, let's see if the club can convince Atlanta.
 
If 100m is a feck off price, then I'd suggest we do that.
 


most likely bs but interesting none the less

Amad would shine for them I think as they play very good football. Would also give him a season to play in Europe and then the year after he should be ready to play a part in our team.
 
Yeah, it's a poor market which makes me think we might just as well play Rashford as a striker and bring another stop-gap as a backup. This time though someone with more qualities than Weghorst.

Taremi?
 
My view is that when there's so little difference in the costs, you should always go with the world class option in Kane or Osimhen. Frankly I don't ever want to see us paying more than £50m for potential again. If the young player is a superstar like a Messi, Rooney, Mbappe, Haaland that's fine because you're not just buying their potential, you're buying them to have an immediate impact, but any decent or good young player should never be going for more than £50m imo. I really struggle to think of any young player who's ever gone for that amount (who wasn't already considered exceptional) and gone on to succeed. The success stories are almost always signed for less than that, probably because they can develop without the crazy fee hanging over their head.

Osimhen was bought by Napoli for around €70M at 21 of age. He was worth 40M on Transfermarkt back then. And it worked out very well for Napoli.

Højlund, at 20, is currently worth €M45 on Transfermarkt.. I can't imagine Atalanta selling him for his real value. They know he has a very high potential, and he is on a long contract... Unless he threatens to not play one single minute of the coming 4 years, it would seem Atalanta holds all the cards...
 
You have to be related to Murtough or something, you're in every thread excusing any criticism directed his or his team's way.

Whose fault was it that we waited until the end of the window to sign a RW when it's obvious we needed one for years.
The Glazers were the reason why
 
Osimhen was bought by Napoli for around €70M at 21 of age. He was worth 40M on Transfermarkt back then. And it worked out very well for Napoli.

Højlund, at 20, is currently worth €M45 on Transfermarkt.. I can't imagine Atalanta selling him for his real value. They know he has a very high potential, and he is on a long contract... Unless he threatens to not play one single minute of the coming 4 years, it would seem Atalanta holds all the cards...
I actually think that’s spot on. Why rush to sell him on cheap, when he is on long contract and has good potential to rise. If I were Atalanta I would rather keep him until his stock go high up, or sell him at inflated price, just like Ajax did with Antony.
 
Osimhen was bought by Napoli for around €70M at 21 of age. He was worth 40M on Transfermarkt back then. And it worked out very well for Napoli.

Højlund, at 20, is currently worth €M45 on Transfermarkt.. I can't imagine Atalanta selling him for his real value. They know he has a very high potential, and he is on a long contract... Unless he threatens to not play one single minute of the coming 4 years, it would seem Atalanta holds all the cards...
Napoli ‘bought’ him with players going the other way with inflated values. The 70m was essentially bollocks, classic Italian ‘accounting’ as per Juve.

Interesting article below…

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...tus-andrea-agnelli-fabio-paratici-plusvalenze
 
I like him, but at that price I'd wait and see. One more year in Atalanta would show how much he will develop instead of just spunking 70-80m and getting dissappointed. He'll develop more in Serie A than under pressure here at United imo. And at that price the risk is simply too big for a striker that haven't scored more goals in Serie A than he has.

Also next year Mbappe is a free agent, Kane is a free agent (probably signs this year however) and on Paper Ollie Watkins will have 1 year left if we need a backup/competition.

This year is just not a great year to buy a striker without spending a shitton of money however you turn it. Maybe we should just build in other places really. Our club needs patient mature long-term decisions and we as fans need to be patient considering all the shitty managers we've been through.
 
I like him, but at that price I'd wait and see. One more year in Atalanta would show how much he will develop instead of just spunking 70-80m and getting dissappointed. He'll develop more in Serie A than under pressure here at United imo. And at that price the risk is simply too big for a striker that haven't scored more goals in Serie A than he has.

Also next year Mbappe is a free agent, Kane is a free agent (probably signs this year however) and on Paper Ollie Watkins will have 1 year left if we need a backup/competition.

This year is just not a great year to buy a striker without spending a shitton of money however you turn it. Maybe we should just build in other places really. Our club needs patient mature long-term decisions and we as fans need to be patient considering all the shitty managers we've been through.
We cannot go into the season again with the striking options that we have, we need 1 dare I say 2 options. I know it's a terrible time in the market but we have to work something out. Laurie said talks would go on and I genuinely think Atalanta can be brought down on their valuation, if we decide to move on I honestly don't think we'll ever come back for the kid, so if he wants the move as is said he needs to push Atalanta for it.

Kane we might get on a free next year if he doesn't stupidly sign a new contract, but on a free there are a multitude of clubs that will be in for him and I don't think it's such a sure bet it will be us just yet.

Mbappe will be going nowhere but Real Madrid, Perez has already basically said they are skipping out on signing any more forwards this year cause their waiting to see what happens with him
 
We cannot go into the season again with the striking options that we have, we need 1 dare I say 2 options. I know it's a terrible time in the market but we have to work something out. Laurie said talks would go on and I genuinely think Atalanta can be brought down on their valuation, if we decide to move on I honestly don't think we'll ever come back for the kid, so if he wants the move as is said he needs to push Atalanta for it.

Kane we might get on a free next year if he doesn't stupidly sign a new contract, but on a free there are a multitude of clubs that will be in for him and I don't think it's such a sure bet it will be us just yet.

Mbappe will be going nowhere but Real Madrid, Perez has already basically said they are skipping out on signing any more forwards this year cause their waiting to see what happens with him

Personally I’d wait 1 year too and pay a hefty sign on fee to one of the mentioned strikers next year. Then sign someone who can either play other positions and/or be fine with being a squad player too i.e Watkins or Rodrigo.

stick Rashford on top this year/rotate with those two and go for a better striker next year. We haven’t yet been long term planning in our transfer strategy, and I just dont think we can get the targets we ultimately want this year anyway.

I dont believe Atalanta will budge, because if they dont they will probably be able to sell him again next year for 40-100m AND have a player that could give them money from Champions League. They can probably get at least 20-30m from European Competitions because of him, so it’s a chance worth taking for them. If he evolves, then it’s an income of maybe 100m+20-30m instead of 50-60m here and now.
 
Every damn player we are linked with will cost 80-100M. Really? The scouting department need to be better than this. I thought people said Murtough already set up the scouting department and this window should be already up and running well?
 
Personally I’d wait 1 year too and pay a hefty sign on fee to one of the mentioned strikers next year. Then sign someone who can either play other positions and/or be fine with being a squad player too i.e Watkins or Rodrigo.

stick Rashford on top this year/rotate with those two and go for a better striker next year. We haven’t yet been long term planning in our transfer strategy, and I just dont think we can get the targets we ultimately want this year anyway.

I dont believe Atalanta will budge, because if they dont they will probably be able to sell him again next year for 40-100m AND have a player that could give them money from Champions League. They can probably get at least 20-30m from European Competitions because of him, so it’s a chance worth taking for them. If he evolves, then it’s an income of maybe 100m+20-30m instead of 50-60m here and now.
If we go into this season without a striker we will probably not make it into CL, and as a result will find it much harder to acquire player next year, not to mention the loss of revenue will likely be higher than any potential overpay we may commit this year.

Also if he’s very good this year, he may have teams we can’t compete with after him next year. It seems we are really the only ones in the race this year.
 
I thought people said Murtough already set up the scouting department and this window should be already up and running well?
It's not just a scouting issue. Our scouts have generally been excellent in identifying potential wonderkids over the past few years. I believe the problem lies with fans refusing to accept how and why their football club operates the way it does. That's why we need new owners.
 
I do think someone like him should happen regardless of spending big on a Kane etc. Need that depth at CF.

Given that we had to make do with Weghorst, I think we will get one striker and only one striker.
Players cost money and unless the Qatari takeover happens fast, spending will be minimal.
 
Given that we had to make do with Weghorst, I think we will get one striker and only one striker.
Players cost money and unless the Qatari takeover happens fast, spending will be minimal.

We'll get 2 (even if one is free or a loan)
 
It's 2023 buddy. They will look at the Isak fee from Real Sociedad to Newcastle and demand something similar around 60-70 mio.

I think 60M Euros + is likely, but I wouldn't pay that for this guy.
£40M would be about the right amount for an unproven, up and coming player.
 
I know, but that's what Whitwell reported we were being told on saturday. It's all negotiating tactic, but looks like we're being pretty firm on this.

Or Whitwell was talking shite
 
If we go into this season without a striker we will probably not make it into CL, and as a result will find it much harder to acquire player next year, not to mention the loss of revenue will likely be higher than any potential overpay we may commit this year.

Also if he’s very good this year, he may have teams we can’t compete with after him next year. It seems we are really the only ones in the race this year.

It's a good point, but I do think we'll make it into CL somehow if we just spend 100-150m as we have a quite good manager.

The new format of Champions League could also give 5 CL spots instead of 4 as I understand it from this article (would have happened in 4 out of 5 last seasons)

"UEFA has announced two of the four slots will go to the nations whose clubs achieve the best collective performance in Europe in the season before. For example, if the new rules had applied for this campaign, the two extra places would have gone to clubs from England and the Netherlands. Indeed, in four of the past five campaigns, a team in the Premier League would have received one of the additional slots."
 


Local Atalanta source apprently, the ones who said a 35mill euro bid was turned down before
 
That sounds like £51m including incentives.

The outlet from Bergamo are also surprised by the prices being reported in England.

 
Yup I figured their goal was to at least go over 50million. That was their biggest sale in history and they'd want to top that at least. I think this goes to 55 million plus 10 million in achievable add-ons like after 20-30 goals.
 
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