It doesn't sound great right now. I'm holding on to the hope that the United staff and medical team have done their homework on the situation surrounding this type of injury and have decided to go ahead with the transfer because this can be managed successfully. It's anyone's guess really and all we're going on is these new press reports. There's no sense panicking just yet until we really know the full extent of it.
Rasmus Højlund | Manchester United Player | Shirt Nr 11
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It doesn't sound great right now. I'm holding on to the hope that the United staff and medical team have done their homework on the situation surrounding this type of injury and have decided to go ahead with the transfer because this can be managed successfully. It's anyone's guess really and all we're going on is these new press reports. There's no sense panicking just yet until we really know the full extent of it.
You always look on the bright side of the situation , bringing positivity to the argument good stuff all round.
‘Cuz I’m Mr Brightside…’
I've said it before, but all of these descriptions really remind me of Welbeck.
I mean that as compliment, for what it's worth.
Not exactly the type of news you want to see before you're new expensive signing.has played a game yet.
Hope it's all blown out of proportion otherwise we are cursed to never have a good striker again. But what's most frustrating is we are going into the new season with Rashford who is terrible up top.
Hope it's all blown out of proportion otherwise we are cursed to never have a good striker again. But what's most frustrating is we are going into the new season with Rashford who is terrible up top.
absolutely, best we just pull the team this year and enter again in 12 months surely that would take the pressure of you
He speaks very well, a confident young chap. goes without saying but hope we’ve found our no.9 for the next decade.
Don't disagree but it's looking unlikely we do that. Based on how we've played in preseason, and hopefully some lessons learned after last year from insufficient rotation, I think/hope the plan this season is to manage minutes across the front 3 attacking positions.
Garnacho and Hojlund probably not ready for 90 mins regularly, Martial incapable of staying healthy. Ideally, yes we could play Rashford on the left wing all the time and he'd always be bang in form. But that won't be the case and using personnel with different strengths will be for the best I think, certainly while Hojlund continues to develop into a reliable #9.
I’m fairly sure Sancho will play false 9 for the first few games while Rasmus gets settled in and match fit. Garnacho will come in for whoever is playing worst or is most tired with the front 3 shifting to Rashford central or Sancho on the right. It’s a very interesting roster of players again. I just hope we can hit the ground running because the team has great potential now. In theory we have decent competition across the squad now especially if Martial can stay fit for his last season here and greenwood possibly comes back. It’s a stacked attack then all of a sudden.
Yeah I know that City managed to operate without a number 9 before Haaland,however can't help feeling frustrated we have waited so long for that player to get on the end of balls across the box and now he isn't available to start the season.
I find it impossible that the coaching staff and medical team didn't do their homework on this. There's no way we would have gone ahead with this signing if it was a high risk issue. I'm pretty sure this is being overblown by the media, or even a deliberate leak by the club to play down expectations for him starting every game. I just can't believe we would have signed him given the experience with Martial if this was a big problem.
What's the big deal? He's got a minor back injury. Any fecking back injury can theoretically turn into something serious if it is not given respect and allowed to rest, so that's all doom mongering nonsense. We know that, that's why anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of their own body and some basic common sense is careful around back issues at the gym.
The club have not paid 65 million quid for a fella with a cracked spine have they. They've picked something up, they spotted it in the first place and they got consultation so isn't every sign there they did it properly and professionally rather than to the contrary than they negligently failed to spot a broken back? Therefore nothing to worry about, highly skilled professionals involved.
The club have not paid 65 million quid for a fella with a cracked spine have they. They've picked something up, they spotted it in the first place and they got consultation so isn't every sign there they did it properly and professionally rather than to the contrary than they negligently failed to spot a broken back? Therefore nothing to worry about, highly skilled professionals involved.
I think the basic idea is that the ability to get off high volumes of shots is typically a more talent/skill/physicality based one, whereas the ability to get off higher quality shots is one more aligned to improving with experience (as you learn the position better, get into better positions, make better decisions, become more efficient etc.) Also, some players will get different roles as they become more rounded footballers with experience. Think Rooney and Kane, for example.
So if a potentially elite striker at a young age is scoring their goals via high shot volumes, you can predict a fairly clear development path whereby they'll get more efficient with experience but still have a relatively high volume compared to other players as their starting point was so high. Whereas Hojlund is already taking relatively high quality but low volume shots, so we need him to develop the opposite way around.
Here's a graph illustrating it, with the peak for volume being around 22.
Also worth bearing in mind the impact even seemingly small increases in shots make. Give Hojlund an extra shot a game and it's six or seven extra goals across 38 game league season. The difference between a Harvey Barnes and a Mo Salah.
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It's quite amazing how they can break things down into statistical numbers and make a projection.
Too bad they can apply this to spouses.
What the hell are you talking about? People in this thread posting like he’s one knock away from being paralysed for life, absolutely incredible.
He doesn’t have a ‘dodgy back’ what he has is a minor injury that, if not rested properly just like any other minor injury, can turn into a bigger problem for him and leave him sidelined longer than he should be
It just so happens this minor injury is on his back. What you’re saying is akin to - wait he had his medical and he has a sprained ankle!? Wtf why didn’t we pay 30 million less i cant believe this i can’t believe he’s got a dodgy ankle, it’s Martial all over again’
If he played on a sprained ankle it would become a bigger injury, just as if we worked Hojlund to the bone before he can heal properly it will turn into a worse injury. Case in point Rashford who had a similar problem, we should have let him heal but instead we absolutely run him into the ground and he ended up with 2 stress fractures, even then he was only out for a few months after surgery and his back has been fine ever since.
It’s not a chronic injury problem and it’s not a worry, even the reports say not only did we do the medical but they shipped him to London for independent professional opinions first so come on give the club some credit, they don’t always make the best decisions but they’re not that stupid.
The Daily Mail article contradicts itself throughout the whole thing, it tries to grab your attention and your clicks with buzz words and claims like ‘stress fractures’ ‘more serious than thought’ and ‘he wont play 2 matches in a row for months’ but then even admits at the end of the article they are basically blowing things way out of proportion
He’s never had any kind of injury history of note, he doesn’t have a chronic back problem and he isn’t injury prone. Everyone needs to stop going on about how fecked we are and losing their heads over a Daily Mail article that cites “external sources” with no evidence or facts and listen to the club. They saw all the medical reports, both from inside and outside the club, medical professionals, realised that the issue is basically a non issue and, with every other minor injury, he just needs to rest up to let it heal, and still signed him. The club are saying he just needs to train up, get match fit and don’t stress about the injury till it heals up, which means we won’t see him for a few weeks, hell he was training today by all accounts even ETH said so in an interview today.
Can we all just take a deep breath and chill please
daily mail the main source of this so called back injury?
The frenzy in this place is ridiculous without any true substance.
I think the takeover thread has broken quite a few caftards.
With Hoijlund?You have to laugh.
Where the feck is Tony?
Imo Rashford will be the #9 and Garnacho LW. Sancho hasn't been really impressive in the new false 9 role while Garnacho has been pretty great. MG if he comes back won't be ready for weeks at the least. And just forget about Martial staying fit. He's injured even in pre season without a single minute of game time ffs.
CL would be back only by mid Sep until then we have basically one match a week so plenty time for the lad to completely fix his back issue imo. Not a big deal.
This post sums up the takeaways, people doubting the fact that the club would invest 65 mil on a player with serious fitness issues believe people running it are batsh*t crazy
Sure ETH will clarify soon in his pre match press conf
Dont bother, common sense is a tough concept and it seems plenty posters here came directly from the Mount thread. Some fans in here deserve Wout
Yeah, really surprising
bunch of drama queens who should be forced to watch Wout upfront in a parallel universeFirst time in this thread to find people in panic mode because a sketchy article mentioning that our new player with a minor injury needing some rest in order to not worsen said injury.
I doubt it. Maybe a line. The club like most organisations just won't dwell on injury diagnosis much.
Uh oh. Did we buy another crock CF? 
I must admit, back injury does worry me. Rio never really was the same player after his back injuries started. I hope it's nothing serious.
Good thing we never knew how he really was. So we dont know if hes not the same even if hes not the same.
Yeah, that's true.
So a rumour gets out from a shady twitter source and hell breaks lose among posters assuming the worst. What's new?
Hojlund had one of the best goals Vs expected goals ratio when it comes to European strikers, which shows he doesn't need to take random shots in order to score, hence the numbers you are seeing.I think the basic idea is that the ability to get off high volumes of shots is typically a more talent/skill/physicality based one, whereas the ability to get off higher quality shots is one more aligned to improving with experience (as you learn the position better, get into better positions, make better decisions, become more efficient etc.) Also, some players will get different roles as they become more rounded footballers with experience. Think Rooney and Kane, for example.
So if a potentially elite striker at a young age is scoring their goals via high shot volumes, you can predict a fairly clear development path whereby they'll get more efficient with experience but still have a relatively high volume compared to other players as their starting point was so high. Whereas Hojlund is already taking relatively high quality but low volume shots, so we need him to develop the opposite way around.
Here's a graph illustrating it, with the peak for volume being around 22.
Also worth bearing in mind the impact even seemingly small increases in shots make. Give Hojlund an extra shot a game and it's six or seven extra goals across 38 game league season. The difference between a Harvey Barnes and a Mo Salah.
Not every striker is the same, Hojlund has already shown at Atalanta how good he is in possession, he would rather play an extra pass to receive in a better position then take an exploratory shot.
Also the trend for Haaland shots per game is still increasing, he is 23.
Also, only ten players had a higher average of shots per game then Hojlund last season, suggesting his shots tally isn't actually that low.
All players are different, stats need to reflect context for them to be viable.
A stress hotspot isn't even an injury. It's a risk factor for a future injury. You won't even hear 'stress hotspot' from a doctor outside of elite sport.
All it means is a couple of weeks of not working too intensively. Maybe he comes on as a sub in our first couple of games and they keep his training focussed mostly on the ball work.
For those worrying that this is the same as Rashford... Rashford had an actual stress fracture. A crack in the bone. And we kept playing him for 90 minutes every week. It's not the same thing.
All it means is a couple of weeks of not working too intensively. Maybe he comes on as a sub in our first couple of games and they keep his training focussed mostly on the ball work.
For those worrying that this is the same as Rashford... Rashford had an actual stress fracture. A crack in the bone. And we kept playing him for 90 minutes every week. It's not the same thing.
There's no chance he has a possible stress fracture and we signed him anyway. Unless of course we missed it during the medical and have only picked it up after.