Yet you rate Osimhen who is super limited
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 23
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
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Yet you rate Osimhen who is super limited
He recives the ball with his back against the goal and he has no plan about what he’s gonna do with it. Are you gonna shift it to the right or left and try do your man or are you gonna push it into space infront of you to gain an inch and lay it off, or are you gonna Højlund it stand over the ball curved up and make it look harder than it is and engage in a wrestling match.
I agree. Teams with divers and moaners get decisions. But lots of our fans don't like that. "Stop moaning and play football" and shit.
This is how he looked against a defence with Kiwior and Zinchenko playing. Hojlund is nowhere near good enough.
Always a step behind the play and lacks the technique to make quick and dangerous decisions with the ball. If every striker took as long as him to trap a ball or play it on to other players, no striker would get any 'service'.
Always a step behind the play and lacks the technique to make quick and dangerous decisions with the ball. If every striker took as long as him to trap a ball or play it on to other players, no striker would get any 'service'.
Agreed. Remember when some of our fans complained when Young used to dive and get Penalties
R9 was truly something else.
You can see Delap is the same age, so is Palmer and don't need the lack of service or age excuses used for them. When you are quality, you are quality. Yamal is 17 and no one in Barca is saying they need to wait 5 years for him to show his quality because he is a natural world class player.
The only thing he's got going for him is clinical finishing which means he's simply a poacher, but it means nothing if you don't have the brains to know when to anticipate balls or make runs when defenders are sleeping so your teammates can pick you out.
Chitarito was a great finisher, but we all knew that was not enough reason for him to be a starter even though I'd say he was far better than Hojlund in actually knowing where to be inside the box. In the modern game you need more from your striker than being a tap in merchant reliant on ''service''
That shows how striker market is poor these days.
That's fairThat shows how striker market is poor these days.
Oh, yes. And he didn't even cheat. He would go down on slight contact. So, all legit.
Yes better than them all in my opinion. The knee injury robbed us
For £70 million, I have to say I’m disappointed. His finishing is decent, but his forward play leaves much to be desired. No where near the quality we need (yet).
Nowhere near good enough. His one skill is being clinical in finishing chances that are put on a plate for him but he useless at everything else. Even Chicharito had more to his game.
That's just not fair. The finish for the first goal against Bodø was world class. His finishing is excellent.
I would even give him a pass for being rubbish in all other areas if only he is a great poacher. But to be a great poacher you need to have perfect sense for positioning in penalty box which he doesn't have.
Yeah sort of my point. It's great to be fast and strong and finish chances but if that's all it took to be a good PL level striker then there'd be loads of them to choose from. As is, there are too many flaws to his game and I'm not sure better coaching will fix enough of them for him to be a key piece in our future.
I’m glad you held your hands up by the end of this exchange, and fair play for doing so. For future reference, it’s an extremely bad idea and a road to ruin to mention “R9” when it comes to a striker doing things by themselves or without service as he stands apart at the top as the one striker anyone who saw him play would associate with precisely that. His forte and the reason he was so box office, was the ability to turn and run through men/teams from around 50 yards out and potentially score a goal for the ages, by himself, unless clattered, which he was on the end of throughout his pre-injury career.
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Have to agree with both of these; it’s celebratory when he does either to a good, let alone very good or elite standard and it is concerning as these are fundamental building blocks for the upper echelon of striker.
He's never going to be top class he just doesn't have that instinct to be in the right place at the right time.
People say he isn't getting the service when far too often you see players looking up for him and he's nowhere to be seen.
Shearer said it best the one thing to make the system work is to get a top class number nine preferably in January no matter who you have to sell
People say he isn't getting the service when far too often you see players looking up for him and he's nowhere to be seen.
Shearer said it best the one thing to make the system work is to get a top class number nine preferably in January no matter who you have to sell
Looks a big strong lad but plays without any power.
And yet a million times better than Hojlund, he at least doesn't allow himself to be bullied off a header by a player a ft shorter than himself
He shouldn't be a starter at United but that's on the club not him. He clearly has talent but needs a lot of work.
He started quite well, got something out of many difficult out balls, but he seemed to go out of steem after a tackle in the first half. Looked like his engine was dead after that.
I don't think I've ever seen an attacker get crumbled up with a defender as much as Rasmus with his back against the goal. Every other time the ball gets near him there seems to be a defender climbing on his back so he has to untangle himself from 8 pairs of legs and arms before he can look up and decide what he's going to do, though usually it just ends up with him falling to the ground and the best we can hope for is a freekick.
I mean I get it if it's a long goal kick or the like, then he'll have someone marking him from the outset, but in open play I'm not really sure if he seeks that contact himself at first or if he just don't know how to find open space when he comes down the pitch to make himself available for a pass.
My problem with Hojlund is not his ability to finish goals but sometimes it really feels like we are playing with an athletic version of Chicharito where everything has to be set up on a plate for him otherwise his abilities during a 90 min period can really feel non existent.
Chicharito is one of the best finishers ive ever seen but ultimately thats all that he was - just a finisher & him being so reliant on his team mates finding him just to finish his chances was too simplistic.
Hojlund does have have some variety to his game like powerful shots or darting runs tbf.
However, my brother said that he actually plays quite like a counterattacking striker and i can see what he is saying.
His raging bull runs come on counterattacks when the space is completely open and he is one v one with the last defender before running like Usain Bolt. Even his great pressing ability is more seen when pressing the last defender in to open space. His positioning in the box for him to tap in a chance is really reliant on how quickly the wingers or fullbacks have broken through the defence to find him in space rather than him tricking the defenders that he has beaten by himself for example by making a run in behind the defence by beating an offside trap.
If we compare his usefulness to a squad i see him more in the vein of a Gabriel Jesus or Darwin Nunez rather than someone like Haaland, Salah or Saka/Havertz that we should build our core foundation of forward play on. Useful over a season but maybe can be upgraded upon when we are ready to make the step up ourselves or even if we receive a good offer like Gabriel Jesus from City to Arsenal and maybe even out of Arsenal to somewhere else this summer.
Chicharito is one of the best finishers ive ever seen but ultimately thats all that he was - just a finisher & him being so reliant on his team mates finding him just to finish his chances was too simplistic.
Hojlund does have have some variety to his game like powerful shots or darting runs tbf.
However, my brother said that he actually plays quite like a counterattacking striker and i can see what he is saying.
His raging bull runs come on counterattacks when the space is completely open and he is one v one with the last defender before running like Usain Bolt. Even his great pressing ability is more seen when pressing the last defender in to open space. His positioning in the box for him to tap in a chance is really reliant on how quickly the wingers or fullbacks have broken through the defence to find him in space rather than him tricking the defenders that he has beaten by himself for example by making a run in behind the defence by beating an offside trap.
If we compare his usefulness to a squad i see him more in the vein of a Gabriel Jesus or Darwin Nunez rather than someone like Haaland, Salah or Saka/Havertz that we should build our core foundation of forward play on. Useful over a season but maybe can be upgraded upon when we are ready to make the step up ourselves or even if we receive a good offer like Gabriel Jesus from City to Arsenal and maybe even out of Arsenal to somewhere else this summer.
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I swear he actively seeks out to put his ass up against a CB, for some reason maybe some shit coach has tought him that technique. He needs to learn how to keep these defenders at arms length (he's strong enough to hold them off this way) instead of letting the swallow him up where even if he does well to bring a pass down and lay it off, he'll never be able to turn and run because him and the CB will both fecking fall over.
He wins 43% of his aerial duels in Serie A and the Turkish league, so yeah, he kind of does.
He loses a lot of aerial duels. He is actually in his prime, while Højlund is very young still and learning.
Højlund had a bad game which most people could have predicted given the opposition. He just isnt a player that is clever enough yet to wrestle defenders. Kane would have bagged several free kicks and would have been throwing himself to the ground the second Timber touched him. Rasmus needs to learn that.
He is very young, in a very very bad period from United, with a huge weight over his head due to what was paid for him, even if there isn't that much talk about it like with other players.
Time will tell if at some point United plays better, has more intelligent players to provide him and if at least he becomes a prolific goalscorer, even if he does not develope better other areas of his game, neither is particulary extraordinary or great in the talent deparment.
It's too soon to assess in a fair way what is his real level, not only perfomance wise, but regarding his atributes and talent.
Of course it was always silly to already see too much on him regarding those (like some posters did and sometimes do) given the samples avaiable and the rollercoaster so far he has been on a personal note and the team he is involved.
PD: each to his own, R9 the phenom wasn't better than Pele, Zico, Maradona, Romario or Messi, with or without injuries. Sometimes with him and Ronaldinho many fans go to far for my taste (that anyway it's just my taste) and in the meantime go to low with for instance a Neymar.
Yet, there is very little wrong with such a pleasing and exciting player to feel that way regarding him. Anyway not the topic of the thread yet a bit over the top that R9 appears in such manner here, even as an hiperbole.
Time will tell if at some point United plays better, has more intelligent players to provide him and if at least he becomes a prolific goalscorer, even if he does not develope better other areas of his game, neither is particulary extraordinary or great in the talent deparment.
It's too soon to assess in a fair way what is his real level, not only perfomance wise, but regarding his atributes and talent.
Of course it was always silly to already see too much on him regarding those (like some posters did and sometimes do) given the samples avaiable and the rollercoaster so far he has been on a personal note and the team he is involved.
PD: each to his own, R9 the phenom wasn't better than Pele, Zico, Maradona, Romario or Messi, with or without injuries. Sometimes with him and Ronaldinho many fans go to far for my taste (that anyway it's just my taste) and in the meantime go to low with for instance a Neymar.
Yet, there is very little wrong with such a pleasing and exciting player to feel that way regarding him. Anyway not the topic of the thread yet a bit over the top that R9 appears in such manner here, even as an hiperbole.
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He seems to struggle against a decent defence.
He needs to be able to hold onto the ball and he needs to challenge the CBs aerially but he simply does not seem to be improving in that regard.
Comparisons to Chicarito are wide off the mark as while he was not technically great he was more than decent in the air and he could make really good runs but Rasmus is static or falling over most of the time.
He needs to be able to hold onto the ball and he needs to challenge the CBs aerially but he simply does not seem to be improving in that regard.
Comparisons to Chicarito are wide off the mark as while he was not technically great he was more than decent in the air and he could make really good runs but Rasmus is static or falling over most of the time.
Truth is Hojlund isn't technically good enough. His goal scoring is the least of my worries, it's his ability to contribute to general play in possession that sucks.
Didn’t do anything (and didn’t receive any service whatsoever), but was actively pressing (contrary to, say, Rashford).
For the 100th time, he isn't good enough to start for a top team. He is a technically deficient poacher who should be used as such to get the best out of him. Starts against opposition where we dominate the ball and are able to control the ball (like Bodo) or as a late sub in games to relieve the main striker.
That's his reality. No amount of age related or service related excuses is going to change that fact. He should be used like Fergie used Chicharito.
That's his reality. No amount of age related or service related excuses is going to change that fact. He should be used like Fergie used Chicharito.
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It's fairly simpel. We won't do business until summer it seems so he has until then to show what he can do and how much he can progress in a system that should on paper suit him. One fantastic game against Bodø and one horrible against Arsenal isn't enough to make any sweeping statements how his tenure under Amorim will end.
If he doesn't progress we can get a striker in the summer.
If he doesn't progress we can get a striker in the summer.
He needs the pressure off him and we need a better more experienced striker leading the line. It's too much for rasmus to pick up the slack in this unit team. He's a very good second striker but not ready to be United leading number 9, yet
Same story. We lose = our players suck. Will never be good enough. One trick ponies.
No nuance, no context, just the usual suspects throwing up in the player threads. You were awfully quiet after the Bodø game as you’ve been every time Hojlund has played well. Same with Zirkzee now.
To use a match against one of the most well drilled, solid and high quality teams in the league to confirm your negative views on single players are just a bit pathetic, really. How many goals - and be honest - would you expect from Gyokeres had he played? Or Haaland? Be honest.
We kept Arsenal from chances in the first half and except from their freaking set pieces had kept a clean sheet and gotten a draw. We played so much better as a unit than we have done the last couple of years against top teams, closed down spaces and pressed intelligently. The price of the hard disciplined work to keep them from playing their game was our offensive creativity. So we didn’t create much and any striker would suffer in a game like that.
No nuance, no context, just the usual suspects throwing up in the player threads. You were awfully quiet after the Bodø game as you’ve been every time Hojlund has played well. Same with Zirkzee now.
To use a match against one of the most well drilled, solid and high quality teams in the league to confirm your negative views on single players are just a bit pathetic, really. How many goals - and be honest - would you expect from Gyokeres had he played? Or Haaland? Be honest.
We kept Arsenal from chances in the first half and except from their freaking set pieces had kept a clean sheet and gotten a draw. We played so much better as a unit than we have done the last couple of years against top teams, closed down spaces and pressed intelligently. The price of the hard disciplined work to keep them from playing their game was our offensive creativity. So we didn’t create much and any striker would suffer in a game like that.
Been here one and half season and looks like the ‘no service’ excuse is still being used
Højlund won 3 and lost 2 aerial duels yesterday. Heading is probably his biggest weakness, but he did ok.
Instead of writing a fanboy rant, how about you argue your case for what Hojlund is actually good at, and what makes him good enough to be Uniteds first choice striker. And regurgitating "he gets no service" doesn't cut it. We're not a Sam Allerdyce team that plays with a target man stood in the box all game
What a poor performance.. probably a 1/10 this game. He got bullied by Kiwior.
I was starting to think he will improve but that was a dreadful performance by him.
I was starting to think he will improve but that was a dreadful performance by him.
I didnt watch much of the game, but i can see the usual fanbois coming with the same excuses as always and talking up his good game against Bodø, so i guess it was back to the normal Højlund.. He has played under 6 differents managers the last 1½ years, and the problem is always the same, maybe its not just the service, maybe its not just the manager, maybe its not just the other players maybe it is just Højlund that is not that good