Rashford vs Iheanacho

[The Original]

That was based on him scoring all of 12 goals. The very article you posted has the great "Adam Le Fondre" 4th on the list

So what does that tell us? I have shown this to show that when this is considered, not in isolation, but in addition to his current form, it shows a pattern. Does the point you are making address this?

 

[The Original]

He's scored 9 goals in 679mins since being trusted as you put it. that's a goal every 75mins basically. You seriously think this isn't a purple patch but "his level"?

What is your argument as to why this is not his level?

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

This threads actually still going?

This whole debate was put to bed ages ago and the feeder of kids reigns supreme.

 

[Varun]

Are we supposed to be upset if Neymar and MBappe are mentioned with regards to Rashford?

No one really cares about people on a football forum being upset but whoever compares Neymar to Rashford needs their head checked, yes.

 

[harms]

Yeah but can you imagine how many Heskey would've scored in that City team?

Probably zero as Pep never would've picked him in his starting XI.

 

[AshRK]

what

You're so insecure

Nothing insecure. Rashford is much better than Iheanacho.

 

[roonster09]

That was based on him scoring all of 12 goals. The very article you posted has the great "Adam Le Fondre" 4th on the list

This article was too early for Josh Harrop. He averages 90 mins per goal, among the best ever.

Dennis Srbeny is the best ever btw, averages 39 mins per goal in PL.

 

[Varun]

What is your argument as to why this is not his level?

Because he's scoring a goal every 75mins. does anything else need to be said to make an argument that it isnt his level? To give you a taste of how mental that stat is, Messi over the course of his career averages a goal every 90mins in La Liga.

 

[Varun]

This article was too early for Josh Harrop. He averages 90 mins per goal, among the best ever.

Dennis Srbeny is the best ever btw, averages 39 mins per goal in PL.

Poor guy, what stopped him continuing at "his level"?

 

[roonster09]

Poor guy, what stopped him continuing at "his level"?

Politics, PL guys don't like Bundesliga isn't it.

 

[The Original]

Because he's scoring a goal every 75mins. does anything else need to be said to make an argument that it isnt his level? To give you a taste of how mental that stat is, Messi over the course of his career averages a goal every 90mins in La Liga.

This is his level merely means that he is at the level of striker who plays consistently well, not that he is an robot that produces output at a fixed ratio.

 

[DOTA]

Probably zero as Pep never would've picked him in his starting XI.

Was before Pep, I think.

Perfect Pellegrini player.

 

[Varun]

This is his level merely means that he is at the level of striker who plays consistently well, not that he is an robot that produces output at a fixed ratio.

There's playing well and there's banging in 9 goals in 600mins. You can't take offence to someone calling it a purple patch, say this is his level and then pretend you were only saying he's a striker that plays well when the numbers are laid out but meh, carry on

 

[The Original]

There's playing well and there's banging in 9 goals in 600mins. You can't take offence to someone calling it a purple patch, say this is his level and then pretend you were only saying he's a striker that plays well when the numbers are laid out but meh, carry on

What nonsense.

The context of the entire thread is a comparison between Iheanacho and Rashford, thus, it is obvious that the level referred to is Rashford's general level. In this same thread, I have even explicitly mentioned that he is at Rashford's level. If you won't bother to follow all the posts in a conversation then don't jump in!

 

[Varun]

What nonsense.

The context of the entire thread is a comparison between Iheanacho and Rashford, thus, it is obvious that the level referred to is Rashford's general level. In this same thread, I have even explicitly mentioned that he is at Rashford's level. If you won't bother to follow all the posts in a conversation then don't jump in!

Clearly

I feel the concept of a purple patch is greatly misunderstood here. A player can have a period of poor form, even for an extended period, for example, Javier Hernandez went 2 years without scoring a single goal in the Mexican league, then came to the Premier League and scored for fun.

In evaluating whether this was a purple patch or not, you have to look at the context. It's not as if he has been playing these 4 years, he's been benched at City despite his form and then moved to Leicester when Vardy was scoring for fun and was never going to displace him. This is the first time, he's played consistently since his first patch of form. The fact is that when Iheanacho has been trusted, he has always scored at this rate.

Iheanacho hasn't played anywhere near the number of games Rashford has. Rashford was thrust into greatness in his teens because Man Utd were desperate. Iheanacho was thrust out of the team despite having the best goal-minute record in Europe as a teenager because City were spoiled for riches.

Did you know that as a teenager in City, Iheanacho held the Premier League's record all-time goal-minute ratio?

https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-per-minute-record-in-premier-league-history

Now that he's playing again he's merely doing what he was doing back then at the age of 18. This is not luck, this is his level.

 

[VorZakone]

No matter the semantics behind the word "level", Rashford is a superior player to Iheanacho. I'd choose Rashford in my team over Iheanacho all day.

 

[Varun]

No matter the semantics behind the word "level", Rashford is a superior player to Iheanacho. I'd choose Rashford in my team over Iheanacho all day.

So would Iheanacho's mom tbf

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Iheanacho finds a batch of good form and all of a sudden this thread gets rehashed? Can we just change the name of this website to redcafekneejerkreactions.net???

 

[The Original]

Clearly

I don't have time to go back and forth with you on this pointless argument. I was merely saying that he is at this general level of play of an elite attacker (such as Rashford), and his consistent goal-scoring record is evidence of that. At no time have I said that this is his level means that he would score a goal every game. You picked up on that because you have no objective in this thread other than to sound smart.

Edit:

It must be said that these debates are academic, just a bit of conversation and there is absolutely no point to prove. I have no idea why people like you find ways of getting triggered and turning a benign conversation into a raging debate.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Iheanacho finds a batch of good form and all of a sudden this thread gets rehashed? Can we just change the name of this website to redcafekneejerkreactions.net???

I bumped it for the shits and giggles mostly, probably wouldn't have done so had I've known it will cause such an uproar.

To be fair, it is a more than valid argument to say that he's having as good a season as Rashford at least, but he will need to prove it in the long term. (I'm positive he can but only time can tell.)

 

[dal]

He’s the top scorer in the league, it’s no fluke.

 

[charlenefan]

He’s the top scorer in the league, it’s no fluke.

Who is?

 

[Varun]

I don't have time to go back and forth with you on this pointless argument. I was merely saying that he is at this general level of play of an elite attacker (such as Rashford), and his consistent goal-scoring record is evidence of that. At no time have I said that this is his level means that he would score a goal every game. You picked up on that because you have no objective in this thread other than to sound smart.

Edit:

It must be said that these debates are academic, just a bit of conversation and there is absolutely no point to prove. I have no idea why people like you find ways of getting triggered and turning a benign conversation into a raging debate.

Hey! I don't need to post in this thread to sound smart, I exude smartness every time I browse a thread, let alone post in it. Don't care about the rest of your post but this was important to highlight

 

[The Original]

Hey! I don't need to post in this thread to sound smart, I exude smartness every time I browse a thread, let alone post in it. Don't care about the rest of your post but this was important to highlight

 

[Ali Dia]

I know who I’d rather in my team currently, doesn’t mean he’s a better player but I also don’t think Rashford is as good as most of you make out. They are both still in the level below top class bidding to make the step up and who knows what’ll happen over the next few years. Rashford won’t even be dropped after 5 bad performances in a row so having your managers backing is huge in this context if it’s just numbers you’re looking at

 

[Denis79]

Because he's scoring a goal every 75mins. does anything else need to be said to make an argument that it isnt his level? To give you a taste of how mental that stat is, Messi over the course of his career averages a goal every 90mins in La Liga.

For some deeper context RVN scored every 128th minute in the Premier League. Ronaldo in his absolute best season for us scored every 88th minute.

 

[TheReligion]

Same amount of league goals now from him this season while he played 1600 minutes less.

Always been a true believer.

How much is his buy back clause again?

They're WUMMING but what they should know is that when comparing Ihenacho to Jesus (Aguero replacement) he has more goals in around 700 minutes less.

Gabriel Jesus - 8 and 3 assists - 1703 mins
Kelechi Iheanacho - 10 goals 1 assist - 1067

Bloody done them over with that one!

I'm still waiting for this thread to be bumped.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marcus-rashford-vs-tammy-abraham.450536/

Rashford v Tammy
Rashford v Origi
Rashford v Iheanacho
Rashford v Jesus

In this space of time Rashford has been consistently improving for both club and country season after season. This is whilst the others fade in and out of obscurity.

Rashford even found time to pick up an MBE and feed the nations kids FFS.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Iheanacho is in great form right now, but will it last? Rashford has done it over 4+ seasons.

 

[Hoof the ball]

To be fair to Rashford, he's played the entire season and he's not healthy. When the Nacho Man does something like Rashford's previous season(s) then we'll talk turkey!

 

[united_99]

I think the attention should be more on how well Rodgers is getting the most of the small squad of players he has at his disposal, I think he has done better in that regard than what we see from ole tends struggle with getting good results unless he has almost his entire strongest 11 to use in his starting line up.

Oh yes. Let’s take digs at our manager in another thread. The Ole/boring United/coaching threads are not enough after all.

 

[GledTheRed]

Iheanacho was fantastic last night, dealy finishing and brilliant link up play.

Looks better than Gabby Jesus who replaced, wonder if City will consider his buy back?

 

[Jimmy Skitz]

Iheanacho was fantastic last night, dealy finishing and brilliant link up play.

Looks better than Gabby Jesus who replaced, wonder if City will consider his buy back?

it expired last summer there is no buy back

 

[cyberman]

I know who I’d rather in my team currently, doesn’t mean he’s a better player but I also don’t think Rashford is as good as most of you make out. They are both still in the level below top class bidding to make the step up and who knows what’ll happen over the next few years. Rashford won’t even be dropped after 5 bad performances in a row so having your managers backing is huge in this context if it’s just numbers you’re looking at

What about 4 bad seasons in a row?

 

[Devil81]

Clever by Brendan Rodgers this, he's making Iheanacho the central man.

He knows Vardy has been picking up injuries which are effecting his all action style.

 

[Ali Dia]

Iheanacho is in great form right now, but will it last? Rashford has done it over 4+ seasons.

Rashford is a 10 goal in the league a season player that nearly all our attacking play seemingly has to go through. All I know is injured or not in too many games we fail to get out of second gear when we are overly reliant on him. I’m not saying he’s a worse player at all but i doubt there’s anything much between then currently. Yes the last 4 years Rashford has been much more productive but he’s played in nearly every game and he’s rarely hit a streak like Iheanacho is on now. Last season before the injury and when he broke though. Beyond that he’s been a mixture of frustration and the sublime but without enough consistency to guide us to any meaningful titles.

 

[roonster09]

Rashford is a 10 goal in the league a season player that nearly all our attacking play seemingly has to go through. All I know is injured or not in too many games we fail to get out of second gear when we are overly reliant on him. I’m not saying he’s a worse player at all but i doubt there’s anything much between then currently. Yes the last 4 years Rashford has been much more productive but he’s played in nearly every game and he’s rarely hit a streak like Iheanacho is on now. Last season before the injury and when he broke though. Beyond that he’s been a mixture of frustration and the sublime but without enough consistency to guide us to any meaningful titles.

Rashford is 10 goal a season player, Iheanacho is 5 goal a season player.

 

[Ali Dia]

Rashford is 10 goal a season player, Iheanacho is 5 goal a season player.

But that could be changing now

 

[Jimmy Skitz]

Rashford is 10 goal a season player, Iheanacho is 5 goal a season player.

this is the most games in a row Iheanacho has started for us ever, there is a reason he hasn't scored that many goals, Jamie Vardy, Rashford is a starter.

That said Rashford is a wide player and Iheanacho a central striker, if you must compare Rashford to a Leicester player it would be Harvey Barnes

 

[roonster09]

But that could be changing now

Or maybe its a purple patch and he will be back to his 5-6 goals a season form.

this is the most games in a row Iheanacho has started for us ever, there is a reason he hasn't scored that many goals, Jamie Vardy, Rashford is a starter.

That said Rashford is a wide player and Iheanacho a central striker, if you must compare Rashford to a Leicester player it would be Harvey Barnes

I know, it's just that people use stats without context, so it was just to highlight that. Rashford was a 10 goals player as he used to start around 50% of the league games. ManUtd fans cry about why Rashford and Martial are not scoring 20 league goals, how can they when they play 50% of the mins.

2019-20 is the season where both of them became important players and undisputed starters, before that they used to share mins under Jose.

Also I agree with your other point. Said same when Rashford was compared with Tammy, it's odd comparison as one is a CF and other is a wing forward.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Rashford is a 10 goal in the league a season player that nearly all our attacking play seemingly has to go through. All I know is injured or not in too many games we fail to get out of second gear when we are overly reliant on him. I’m not saying he’s a worse player at all but i doubt there’s anything much between then currently. Yes the last 4 years Rashford has been much more productive but he’s played in nearly every game and he’s rarely hit a streak like Iheanacho is on now. Last season before the injury and when he broke though. Beyond that he’s been a mixture of frustration and the sublime but without enough consistency to guide us to any meaningful titles.

12 months in age, for starters. This time last year you’d have been laughed off the caf for suggesting they’re on a par with each other. Iheanacho’s at an age where football can just click for him and he makes that transition from talented/flaky youngster to a proper footballer. Just like Shaw has done this season. When that finally happens for Rashford we’ll see what he’s all about. His career up until now indicates that he will be very special indeed.