I'd be surprised if that was the case. Don't see us selling him anytime soon less than a year into his massive new contract.
Rashford out partying at nightclub hours before reporting as too ill to attend training
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I'd be surprised if that was the case. Don't see us selling him anytime soon less than a year into his massive new contract.
Four wingers, two of which might go on loan, and two midfielders is not nearly enough cover for the wide position for the rest of the season. He has 10 G/A for the season so far (all comps), Antony, Amad and Pellistri likely won’t get that combined. Fine him, drop him, but we cannot exile him and ruin any chance of getting a large fee for him in the summer, it’s cutting your nose off to spite your face.
If anyone wanted him, we would.
The market is almost non-existent for an inconsistent player on 350k a week.
maybe not, in fact
people in NI have the right to an Irish passport and can self-identify as Irish. they have a legal right to be defined as such (so you have to do it as well)
claiming NI is 'as british as finchley' as one moronic former pm put it, has long since proven wrong
as for Marcus, it's disappointing, but at least he didn't party in Larne itself, otherwise, well...
The problem isn't that he went out two nights in a row and missed training, the problem is that he hasn't been trying on the pitch for a long time now and this is like the final straw.
There isn't a player in 26 years of Ferguson that showed so little desire or heart on the pitch as he has
Yeah, look about the time Scholes refused to play, or warm up. This shit went on all the time with Ferguson. He just didn't have these modern social media git players. He did have drinkers and Keanos and Spice Boys though. Gave the boot to Jaap Stam for minor shit but let Cantona get away with anything. Fergie was a master of the situation and could get psycho mad, so he had a very unique element of fear that served him quite well.
You are right. We could've easily shipped him off to Barca or PSG in the past but we blew it. Hopefully Ineos get shot of him and banished like Sancho. He's overhyped anyway and offered nothing this season except sulking.
Was yours the post with a picture of his car?
He’s 26 years old, has at least another 6 years left in him at the top and instead he’s turned the majority of the clubs fans against him with his piss poor attitude, lack of effort and general idiocy. I’d say he’s pissed it away a bit.
Homegrown, academy players like him generally get a lot of favour from fans as opposed to a foreign player for example that’s just came in from another club. He’s stretched the fan base’s patience beyond limits.
once he loses pace he is finished at the top. Will he have it at 32?
The difference is if a player of Rashford's level rather than Scholes's had pulled that with Ferguson, and AFTER a prolonged period of awful form and terrible work ethic on the pitch, they'd have been out the door without a second thought.
The fear/respect element was a big part of Ferguson, but he would also only have leeway IF a player was both good enough and still had the desire/commitment needed.
You can argue the good enough part with Rashford just based on us currently having no one better, but the desire/commitment bit on the pitch alone is so far off the rails, Ferguson would probably give him the boot just to stop it festering into anyone else.
Probably not but if he looked after himself, screwed the head and adapted he could continue for many years yet. Based on what we’ve seen the last few years though (last year being the exception), I doubt he has it in him.
yes big baby Rashford should be sold because he is a useless mid-table player. He did not have a great season last year, he had a great 4 months while negotiating the largest contract of his life. Outside of that 4 months, Rashford has been a mid table player for his entire (lengthy) career. Apart from kicking and running with the ball what else can he do? Can’t cross, dribbling is predictable, can’t give clinical passes, overall low football IQ. The "Marcus Rashford is a great player lying in wait" stuff is the greatest English fantasy novel since Harry Potter.
Well put him in the reserves then, he’ll soon agree to a transfer and a drop in his wages if United do that.
Ive seen the video. There is nothing that shows he realized any error, because there is none.
You claiming they accepted his response is absolute bullshit. Do you actually think that if he said "he's ill" they won't point to the Athletic article which said the club was chatting bullshit with photo evidence of Rashford at a night club?
You actually think the press would have said "oh he's ill. OK cool next question".
Really? fecking hell.
Spot on.
If we had Fergie, Rashford would only now be on what he was on for his previous contract. We’ve created a monster by prentending we are still one of the big boys by paying inconsistent players world class wages. We then market them as such and give them shite team mates to play with and terrible facilities to grow in. Throw in a total lack of leadership or accountability and there you go.
That would explain why he’s so shit.
If his body language and lack of hustle/urgency all season were not so poor, I could handle this and just hope the club handle it well. But no way now, I am truly fed up with him. I could careless about him as a player until he proves me wrong with his play and attitude.
If you are going to go out partying you better be bringing it on the football pitch. Rashford doesn't. Say no more. He's a poster boy for everything that's wrong at Man Utd. I'm not a big fan of Ten Hag but having to deal with swelled heads such as Rashford and Sancho would keep me up nights as well.
Our supporters club is very very close to Manchester United of the time. SAF was a regular and so were players like the Nevilles and Beckham. These players came in Malta as kids on a holiday (basically living in the house of some local supporters) and had therefore built a good relationship with the club and the country. I met the gaffer, Beckham and the Nevilles a number of times and I shared multiple pints with Ted Beckham and Neville Neville.
To better understand what happened with Beckham one needs to go back to SAF's first successful side.. That team had everything, class, grit and was in its prime. Yet in 1995 something bad happened. Kanchelskis and Ince acted out in a manner that the gaffer couldn't ignore and SAF was an inch away from losing the dressing room. You'll might find this a bit of an exaggeration but back in the day SAF was nowhere near to the untouchable legend he was today. Also Kanchelskis and Ince were WC players, the former was one of the very few players I saw Maldini struggle against and the latter was, in my opinion, the best pure DM we had throughout SAF's reign (Keane was not a pure DM). The media went ballistic, Hansen thought SAF lost it and quite frankly many agreed with him. That was a baptism of fire for SAF and till the end of his career he kept his eyes open and will often get rid of a star at the first sign of an insurrection (RVN for example)
Beckham was one of the class of 92 whom together with the likes of Keane, Cantona, Irwin and Schmeichel bailed SAF out. Ted and Neville were obsessed with football and they raised their kids in an almost Spartan way were everything rotated around the sport. Beckham absorbed that passion like a sponge. He was so obsessed with United that he would go on trials at other clubs with the United shirt on. Beckham had talent of course but most what you see on the pitch was pure hard work. The guy lived of football.
The Victoria Adams came in. The lass might not be talented in music but she was brilliant financially wise. I can assure you that she's the brains behind the Beckhams. Beckham fell head over heels to her. The sort were he would lock himself in the bathroom so he keep speaking to her on the phone while the Nevilles were out swearing at him because they were running late to a meeting with fans, type of obsession. SAF saw the celebrity couple status as a threat and as a betrayal from Beckham's part especially when he started asking for media rights, something good old Dave wouldn't even know it existed. SAF knew how close knit the class of 92 was, he perceived that as a threat and viola Beckham was out.
However let's be clear here. Beckham loved Manchester United, he sweated blood for the club and he always gave his 100%. You won't find Beckham jogging on the pitch as Rashy. That's for sure.
There was loads of stuff but different times and I don’t remember Robson or McGrath having a handful of shit games, never mind shit seasons. And they weren’t paid a small countrys GDP each year either.
Im not saying sell him because of this, I’ve wanted him gone for a while… it’s just one more thing.
On a potential sale and issues because of his wages (not saying you said it), I don’t think a buying club say “damn, we can’t afford those wages”, they‘d look at the total cost and see if worth it as a player. Even if we sell him for £20m, that’s pure FFP profit as I understand it AND a further £18m per season (wages) saved on top. If we get offered anything close to £50m, I’d snap their hands off…
If we had Fergie we wouldn’t have Rashford, he’d have been gone years ago.
That’s basically what happened isn’t it, they asked and initially he looked at them funny and said he’s reported Ill, then refused to elaborate when they mentioned reports. I don’t think ETH did much wrong if anything, the club need to put a statement out well before Thursday imo to say Rashford is fit and ready or he’s not going to be in the squad. It does nobody any favours to leave it open to speculation.
First time I’ve watched this clip. It’s so difficult because it isn’t ETH’s first language. As such, I don’t think we should be critical of him for saying “reported ill”. I think he just meant he “reported for training ill”, rather than saying Rashford had reported himself as ill.
I agree the follow up isn’t ideal though. Probably would have been better to say we’d been focussed on the game and he’d be speaking to Marcus when he’d recovered from his illness.
I’m sure we will get a statement before then. The club either need to get across that this is a really minor incident that has been dealt with or, if it’s more significant, explain the sanction.
The media would have still asked him to comment on the pictures, if he just left it to illness.
The "internal matter" line is definitely from the club. Managers would be prepped for these questions to make sure they are giving the right soundbites.
You just want the info so you know whether or not to pick him in the prediction league
Huh?
I never said anything of the sort mate. I was being sarcastic.
It's irrelevant what the press accept or believe. My point is and remains he should have simply said he's ill and moved on. What he did say contradicted the club, confirmed the rumour and encouraged the press.
What he said contradicted the club - are you serious?
A couple things here - 1) The club shot itself in the foot by trying to lie (or they were lied to by Rashford) on his escapades prior to training and 2) when the true details came to light, the club would have prepped Ten Hag on how to answer this question.
There is no way Ten Hag went rogue and said something he wasn't meant to after this delicate a situation. In fact one of the tweets from a few pages back refer to the "club line" being that it's an internal matter.
You're trying to critique Ten Hag for something he never did wrong. If he said illness next question, they'll point to the photos of him clubbing the night before and he'd look like a bellend.
Could have happened sooner in hindsight as he left several years after he started dating her. I think Ferguson balanced the worth to the team vs the hassle and as soon as the scales tipped (or he lost it… Stam), bye bye. Brutal.
100% agree with the last paragraph and was saying that earlier today to a colleague who asked me about Rashford. I said I’d rather have a 7 or 8 out of 10 player who gave everything every game (Phil Neville for example) than someone like Rashford who could be worldly occasionally but a liability plenty of other times.
Get the 100% standards laid out first… then get the players who look like they fit in terms of talent AND attitude. Then it becomes endemic/a mindset for every kid coming through the youth and every player we buy in.
Im positive Jim will want these standards (like he does for his business) and Berrada is the person who’ll help embed it for him. Selling Rashford works financially (I.m.o.) but also in the message it sends.
Has Rashford really taken Sancho's banishing this bad?
Or is it something else?
Or is it something else?
Indeed, which I hope is something else Ineos get on top of. Contracts should be more performance related. The likes of Sancho being in 350k a week is nuts.
There’s nothing to say on the pictures - so far as I’m aware no one is disputing Rashford was in a bar in Ireland Thursday night. I’ll be speaking to Marcus and have no further comment at this time would still work on follow up questions.
I’m not being overly critical though - it’s just a perception someone like Fergie might have played it down more and maybe diffused a bit of the media interest.
Its not just about the manager.
Do you think the guys in the dressing room in 1999 would have put up with this shit from marcus?
He'd have had the respect slapped back into him during training before he got this full of himself.
Do you think the guys in the dressing room in 1999 would have put up with this shit from marcus?
He'd have had the respect slapped back into him during training before he got this full of himself.
The Newcastle game was my tipping point, the hand gesture (2 weeks ago? lol) was fuel on the fire and this is the point of no return. i think of the players and teams i grew up with over the last 30 odd years to have to witness this in comparison. boggles the mind how weak the club is
Yeah but he had total control and very much ran the ship, ETH has as much job security as a plastic bag caught on a car bumper, flapping desperately in a bid not to go under the wheels.
He has been my favourite player the past decade - due to him coming through the academy, his work off the field and him carrying us offensively at times. However, he’s really testing my patience. His regular spells of poor form coupled with and at times sickening attitude are very worrying. Either, he gets his head right or we sell him. No one is bigger than the club.
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