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Rashford dropped from senior England squad
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I think it was the correct decision from Sam and hopefully (for England) perhaps this shows that England are finally going to take U21 football seriously. Rashford would benefit more from playing a big part in the U21 team and getting used to playing international football. If he can get back into the Man Utd first team then he will get his chance again in the senior England squad, makes sense to me.
He should concede that his time at Utd has been a total train wreck for whatever reason and get on with getting his career back on course if he has any ambition left. 7 years at Southampton may have just totally burnt him out for all I know...
1, I don't believe for one second that Rashford isn't gutted that he isn't starting after how well he did last season. whether your 18 or 30 you earn your way into a team then get dropped, your gonna be gutted.
2, I hope very much Rashford is doing all he can to learn from Zlatan, its the only good thing thats happening regarding rashford devleopment right now.
3, Yes Rashford will know better then to think he can compete with Zlatan, Rashford has zero chance of getting in the team ahead of him, so yes he is back up, no matter how well he trains no matter how well he does when he comes on, he will be back up, and if you don't think thats going to get to him then your mad!
Good. Now he won't get injured on their watch.
If I was in his position I don't think I would be mad. He is a child in footballing terms and only starting playing first team in March. March! He can't expect to be playing week in week out for Man Utd who can spend 90 mill on a player when his track record at this level only dates back to March! He is still unproven in many ways. he has only 11 league games to his name. He is a pup. Many youngsters have played 11 league games. Doesn't make them 1st teamers. He must wait his turn, simple as. Paul Pogba wasn't even allowed to play for us at that age, not even in cup games or lesser european games and Paul Pogba is different gravy to Rashford.
Just don't agree, a player of any age 18 or not breaks into the team, does everything right shows he can handle the pressure, then without doing anything wrong he is now back up with out much chance of that changing and dropped from the England squad without much chance of getting back in becuase he isn't going to play reguarly...... their is no way that isnt going to get to him.
Paul Pogba left because he wasn't going to get game time, he went to Juventus and walked into the team, even though they had a way better midfield then ours at the time, so thats not the best example to use.
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He played 5 minutes if that and was by a country mile Englands best player. So I'd call it a harsh call
Couldn't care less about England. I think England should retire from International Football. Then in 10 years, think about the excitement when the England team "gets back together"!
Re: Rashford: Look at how badly he got treated at the Euros! When England were desperate for something, anything ... when do they throw him on? 20 minutes to go, so he can make an impact, 15 minutes so he can make his pace felt .. no, about 5 mins, No Pressure!
Re: Rashford: Look at how badly he got treated at the Euros! When England were desperate for something, anything ... when do they throw him on? 20 minutes to go, so he can make an impact, 15 minutes so he can make his pace felt .. no, about 5 mins, No Pressure!
30 starts probably is unrealistic for him this season. But he's 18. The person in front of him is nearly 35. I don't think he necessarily needs to go out on loan to gain experience, how many other 18 year olds out there are in shoes? He's doing just fine as he is.
He's been here for 1 season. New manager in place, if he works hard I don't think he'll find himself starting over Fellaini to not be hard to do.
No matter how hard you train it's no good if there's someone better.
Every academy player works hard, let's make them a starter.
He's 18, a few good games doesn't make him a sure starter. There's a different in starting as a backup with no expectations compared to being expected to be the main man (which in our system a striker is pretty much the be all)
Let him mature in his own pace and with the right pace. Too much too soon will frustrate everyone if he can't keep on playing well every game. Mached, januzaj, memphis are all the example of too much too soon
Bit silly to call it harsh. He isn't a senior player who has been dropped he's a player on the fringes who should be happy to play for the U21 team.
The lads humble i doubt he cares, he knows he has time on his side and will just want to impress.
The lads humble i doubt he cares, he knows he has time on his side and will just want to impress.
You'd think so but José s a bit pigheaded over his binkies. I'd cut my losses if I wanted to get back into the national side.
He may as well play 90 minutes for the u21s than play 5 minutes for the full team.
Might not be a bad thing with Mike Basset as England Manager.
In fairness, your new manager is still picking Joe Hart, wants to bring Terry back and has said players will be played out of position.
England. The gift that keeps on giving
England. The gift that keeps on giving
"The situation with England is funny because when you are 18 years old and are in the Under-21 national team, I don't think it's a drama," Mourinho explained in an exclusive interview with MUTV.
"I think he's fantastic, I think he's very good. But to be honest, for his development, I think it's better to be in the Under-21s and play two international matches than go to Slovakia with the first team and sit watching Harry Kane and [Jamie] Vardy and those experienced players that Sam is going to select. So I think it's very good for him at the age of 18 to play in the Under-21 national team.
"To be, at this moment, Manchester United's second striker [in the no.9 position] – not the third or fourth or fifth – behind one of the top players in the world, who he can learn so much from, I think his situation is very good."
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
"I think he's fantastic, I think he's very good. But to be honest, for his development, I think it's better to be in the Under-21s and play two international matches than go to Slovakia with the first team and sit watching Harry Kane and [Jamie] Vardy and those experienced players that Sam is going to select. So I think it's very good for him at the age of 18 to play in the Under-21 national team.
"To be, at this moment, Manchester United's second striker [in the no.9 position] – not the third or fourth or fifth – behind one of the top players in the world, who he can learn so much from, I think his situation is very good."
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
If there was even a way I could agree more I would, but there isn't. Jose's words are brimming with wisdom. he is 18 and number 2 striker to one of the best strikers in the world, at Man Utd. Pray for him. He needs it
I agree with Mourinho
Rashford is young. I like him. Give him a bit of development time. I can see him being our number 1 striker in 4 years.
Rashford is young. I like him. Give him a bit of development time. I can see him being our number 1 striker in 4 years.
I was always expecting Rashford to get dropped from both United and England this season, regardless of who is the manager.
I also agree with every word that Mourinho said there.
Playing for U21 isn't a shame. De Gea, Mata, Thiago, Morata were all doing that in their early twenties and all of them seem to have enjoyed it and benefit from it. Yet some English 'journos' seem to think that playing for U21 is very bad for a 18 years old player.
Providing that Ibra stays fit, I think that Rashford can get around 10 starts and maybe as many sub appearances which is just fine for a player of his age. That while learning under Ibra and Rooney will be a massive year for him IMO.
I also agree with every word that Mourinho said there.
Playing for U21 isn't a shame. De Gea, Mata, Thiago, Morata were all doing that in their early twenties and all of them seem to have enjoyed it and benefit from it. Yet some English 'journos' seem to think that playing for U21 is very bad for a 18 years old player.
Providing that Ibra stays fit, I think that Rashford can get around 10 starts and maybe as many sub appearances which is just fine for a player of his age. That while learning under Ibra and Rooney will be a massive year for him IMO.
I think 2nd season was always going to be tough for Rashford,so taking him out of limelight and gradually easing him will do wonders for his development.
Best option totally for Rashford is to play for the u21's England will do nothing under Big Sam, great character but the winner of what?
Plus the style of football could destroy his chances at United, a huge blessing in disguise.
Plus the style of football could destroy his chances at United, a huge blessing in disguise.
Laporte who could walk into most of the top 10 European club's defences is still playing for the French u21's. I have noticed that in Germany, France and Spain the young guys are not rushed into the senior team. They may get a game here and there but u see a lot of them in their U21 teams. In England as soon the player shows good form over a few weeks the media calls for an international cap...Remember Zaha showing some good form in the championship and he got a cap
He's 18 ffs.
And anyway, feck England.
And anyway, feck England.
Hope Allerdyce was watching him and saw how shite Kane and Sturridge were today in comparison. cnut.
Can't wait to see how this kid develops. I genuinely love the man.
The less time he spends under Allardyce's "coaching", the better. I cannot believe England went for that dinosaur 
True. That Spain team that won the U21 Euros in 2013 was insane. Thiago. Isco, De Gea, Koke, Morata, Carvajal, Illaramendi etc. The majority were 20-23, just right on the cusp of being ineligible due to age. English footballers seem to have a mentality than U21 level is beneath them once they've had a few runs out in the Premier League, whilst the countries who are any good take it seriously and always send their best possible team. The squad we could field and the ones we actually do are very different.
Zaha got a cap because of his dual nationality more than his form, but I agree with your overall point. Uruguay are a great example of how to do the youth national teams correctly. Since their players spread all over the world, they use them to build a national spirit and instill a sense of team along with a pattern of play that they can carry on as they move up into the senior side.
Big SamIt's easy for us foreign fans. We couldn't care less about England.
Flabbergasted!
He's not showing it's tough....if anything it's the ease of how he's made the transition to first team player which is remarkable..Still I do agree we need to manage him carefully to avoid burnout etc...
I hope Sam wasn't watching. The senior team don't deserve Rashford. He is too good for them at the moment.
For the season in the PL
Rashford
25 minutes
3 shots
2 on goal
1 goal
Kane
270 minutes
6 shots
1 on goal
0 goals
1 assist
Sturridge
70 minutes
4 shots
0 on goal
Rashford
25 minutes
3 shots
2 on goal
1 goal
Kane
270 minutes
6 shots
1 on goal
0 goals
1 assist
Sturridge
70 minutes
4 shots
0 on goal
Yeah I remember watching Mata, Herrera and Javi Martinez for the Spain U-21 and Javi Martinez in particular was clearly already an excellent DM who would not have looked out of place at DM anywhere in the world save maybe Barca due to Busquet's excellence.
I think his England omission probably helped his cause in getting minutes today. I can't really blame Allardyce for dropping him when he's not played properly for a few months.
He was great today though. Could have easily had 2 goals and an assist. He's took his chance now and will get more game time, which i think is what Mourinho has been waiting for from him and Mkhi. He's been fair to the senior players but Mata, Rooney and Martial have got two players breathing down their necks now.
He was great today though. Could have easily had 2 goals and an assist. He's took his chance now and will get more game time, which i think is what Mourinho has been waiting for from him and Mkhi. He's been fair to the senior players but Mata, Rooney and Martial have got two players breathing down their necks now.
This is ridiculous. Does this shit happen in other successful countries? Moan moan moan.
I see what you did there.