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Rashford dropped from senior England squad
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It's a political decision by Sam Allardyce to put pressure on Mou to pick him. It's fine and as much as I want to be annoyed by it, I agree with it and also want to see Rashford ahead of Rooney, frankly.
However, if he picks Walcott or something instead then I riot.
However, if he picks Walcott or something instead then I riot.
Making room for Crouchy.
Its fine as long as it doesn't hurt the lads confidence. I am sure jose has talked through his position at the club with the lad and let him know where his chances will come, I would hope big sam has done the same.
Hey Pogue, let me first say that I've been reading your posts for a long time and I absolutely love hearing your opinion on United, General Forums, et al. I'm glad you're back.
No, I don't think Sam would omit Chris. Dropped from the starting XI, probably.
On Rashford's omission - it's a good decision in my opinion. Let him get some decent experience under his belt, rather than 20 minute cameos, however good they may be.
Please let me know your bright spot.
Harts goalkeeping?
Rooneys touch?
No player being able to even make 10 yard passes?
Harry Kane's finishing?
Sterlings dribbling into nowhere?
I'm hugely hopeful that Rashford will be our long term #9 but I am sick of all the cart before the horse mongers, he's only 18, a little bit of a slow down in his rise wont hurt him over the long haul IMO, in fact being out of the spotlight for a bit will probably do him good.
If Allardyce thinks the U21's is the best avenue of development, then he should just say so - if missing 2 league games means "not playing" now then he's opening himself up for criticism every time he picks someone who's missed a game.
As for Taylor's 'facts', he's also had 19 appearances (according to Manutd.com) since the 25th February...based on nothing but a hunch, I'm betting it's more than most of the England squad, so it would appear that his omission is based on the belief that he won't play under Mourinho...could be true (and possibly likely) but at the moment, it seems harsh to drop him based on no evidence.
As for Taylor's 'facts', he's also had 19 appearances (according to Manutd.com) since the 25th February...based on nothing but a hunch, I'm betting it's more than most of the England squad, so it would appear that his omission is based on the belief that he won't play under Mourinho...could be true (and possibly likely) but at the moment, it seems harsh to drop him based on no evidence.
If you're not getting any serious game time for your club you'll probably not get selected for your country.
It's something players need to take into consideration when signing for clubs like Utd, Rashford still has plenty of time though. Schneiderlin on the other hand needs to ask for a transfer if he still has any international aspirations.
It's something players need to take into consideration when signing for clubs like Utd, Rashford still has plenty of time though. Schneiderlin on the other hand needs to ask for a transfer if he still has any international aspirations.
Wouldn't of played more than 5 mins in the senior team anyway. Better he gets as much game time as possible.
Someone got to make room for lion heart John Terry.
at people comparing this with Hart's situation.It's perfectly reasonable and this will do Rashford more good than warming the bench in the senior squad. Fair call by Big Sam and his comments are spot on as well.
Wish he was dropped by the U-21's as well.
I could care less about his England career but the logic in the Tweet in OP is ridiculous. Its not like he's lost any quality or England have developed better senior Strikers during the first two Prem games. Utterly ridiculous if that's the reason.
Please let me know your bright spot.
Harts goalkeeping?
Rooneys touch?
No player being able to even make 10 yard passes?
Harry Kane's finishing?
Sterlings dribbling into nowhere?
Dier has to count as a bright spot. At least if the benchmark is a couple of minutes worth of Rash.
Others too played well enough before everything went to hell.
More annoyed there is an international break at all.
Not reading the article but Sam's comments are fair enough. Rashford is always better off playing than sitting on the bench. Nothing to worry about unless Mourinho doesn't bother playing him in the cup games.
Yes 2 games into the season. The only English player who looked like he belonged in the international squad is dropped. Their loss
Rashford played 6 minutes in the Euro. Playing for under 21 is a fair decision, instead of sitting in the bench and playing as a sub for the last 10 minutes. How is this an outrage when he doesn't play for United yet have to play for England?
I was more surprised he went to the Euro's than I am about this decision. Agree with Sam.
Poor lad needs to be given his head
He did nothing wrong and deserves to start for United on merit
He did nothing wrong and deserves to start for United on merit
Arguably got called up too soon anyway. Vardy and Kane were on fire and Rooneys england form was brilliant. Plus sturridge. He'd only played about 15 senior games...
No issues with u21 role. He'll probably start which is better than not playing for the senior squad.
Good.
Id agree with Sam if he also didnt pick Rooney cos he is passed it. Until a manager pulls a stunt like that for England, I dont trust them.
Retire Rooney and start working on the team for the world cup. Rashford should be im that team, the earlier these guys start working together the better.
Retire Rooney and start working on the team for the world cup. Rashford should be im that team, the earlier these guys start working together the better.
Good. Don't want the kid anywhere near that mess
It's a non issue. He'll benefit more from the game time at U21 level. With any luck he'll hit the back of the net and enter September full of confidence.
Who gives a feck,if he is smart enough,he shouldnt play for England anyway.
Mata has played for the Senior team in the World Cup 2010 and 12 months later for the U21 team in the Euros.
Rashford wouldn't start for the Senior team against Slovakia but he'll start for the U21 team against Norway = Right decision and that should make everyone happy
And he is 18-years old and not 21 for feck sake
2) Hart plays for England since 2008.....Rashford plays for England since 2 months.
3) Butland is still not 100% fit therefore of course Hart should be in the squad with Forster and Heaton......whether he starts against Slovakia is another question.
Rashford wouldn't start for the Senior team against Slovakia but he'll start for the U21 team against Norway = Right decision and that should make everyone happy
And he is 18-years old and not 21 for feck sake
1) Hart has played against Steaua Bucharest.
2) Hart plays for England since 2008.....Rashford plays for England since 2 months.
3) Butland is still not 100% fit therefore of course Hart should be in the squad with Forster and Heaton......whether he starts against Slovakia is another question.
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He still qualifies for the U21s for a couple of years for goodness sake, hasn't had a competitive minute yet, so makes great sense to actually get a full game in.
Is selection based on merit or not? In every game I've seen in which Rooney and Rashford have worn the same shirt, whether at club or international level, Rashford has been the better player. Yet Rooney is assured of his spot, and Rashford is dumped. You have to wonder about the motives of managers and the politics of football.
I'd be playing him upfront with Kane from the start.
Rashford has it, whatever it is.
Rashford has it, whatever it is.
Come on, Hart has been a mainstay in the team for years, Rashford has what, 3 or 4 caps? Hart is an adult and he already is a finished article (albeit not the greatest), Rashford is a teen who has Kane, Vardy, Rooney and Sturridge ahead of him in the picking order. He may be the most exciting prospect with the highest ceiling but some actual game time with U-21 is probably better for him at this point. We all know how bad Rooney is but he will still be getting his game time until he's forty
He'll get his caps, it's not like Sam is dropping him altogether.
He'll get his caps, it's not like Sam is dropping him altogether.
Eh?
"Paying the price for lack of games".
We've played two games...
We've played two games...
Rashford has barely played for england, in fact he's barely played senior football in general and is not helped by the fact that England has other good options. Its not at all comparable to dropping an experienced long serving NT player irrespective of what is going on at their club.
Nothing wrong with this imo, he's got all the time ahead of him to step back up.
Added his competion isn't even great. One of his biggest rivals still hasn't played for months due to injury.
Given his lack of action thus far, it's far better that he starts for the U21, than sit on the bench for the seniors.
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It's perfectly reasonable and this will do Rashford more good than warming the bench in the senior squad. Fair call by Big Sam and his comments are spot on as well.