Rashford considering his future...

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Works under Mourinho, a tough love manager.
Result:

Rashford and his brother deliver epic clapback at #haters

"He might be one of the most successful managers ever but he just, like, totally doesn't get us"

"I can't be expected to work for somebody who actually expects me to follow instructions. I need an arm around the shoulder, vibes manager"

Works under Ole, an arm round the shoulder, vibes manager
Result:

His team brief that they were angry about a completely innocuous comment. Ends up with an embarrassing joint press conference a day later where Ole grovels to him.

As soon as the friendly, arm round the shoulder manager is sacked a media-wide brief comes out from every major United journalist where Rashford and his team blame Solskjaer for not working harder with him, while painting Rashford as some meek Tiny Tim figure (but also supes professional of course)

Now Rangnick, a mix of the two personalities, has been here for a matter of months and the bullshit is already coming thick and fast - including a very public transfer tantrum the day after a humiliating derby defeat. Proper United lad you see, loves the club etc.

Rashford is the absolute face of the toxic, egotistical, hyper-indulged hellscape of dressing room we've allowed to develop.

He doesn't need a(nother) new manager...he needs a new club.
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Absolutely spot on!

The fact he isn't even very good just adds insult to injury! I still don't understand how there are so many United fans who are happy to put up with him and his antics, I just hope the door doesn't hit him on his way out. But in all honesty I think we are stuck with him, there surely isn't a team out there that would take him on 200k per week.
 
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Fans of his and people in general have no idea how looking at this over and over is toxic to someone’s teammates and the spirit of the group. Week after week. Hes been criminally poor last year for the same thing but had injuries. I kept begging for a harder working team player with worse numbers and we would look a lot tighter and really give teams a hard game. Someone other players could spark off instead of looking in his direction while he stands motionless looking like he’s going to cry if he had to run. So over it. The writing has been on the wall for so so long.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Works under Mourinho, a tough love manager.
Result:

Rashford and his brother deliver epic clapback at #haters

"He might be one of the most successful managers ever but he just, like, totally doesn't get us"

"I can't be expected to work for somebody who actually expects me to follow instructions. I need an arm around the shoulder, vibes manager"

Works under Ole, an arm round the shoulder, vibes manager
Result:

His team brief that they were angry about a completely innocuous comment. Ends up with an embarrassing joint press conference a day later where Ole grovels to him.

As soon as the friendly, arm round the shoulder manager is sacked a media-wide brief comes out from every major United journalist where he and his team blame Solskjaer for not working harder with him, while painting Rashford as some meek Tiny Tim figure (but also supes professional of course)

Now Rangnick, a mix of the two personalities, has been here for a matter of months and the bullshit is coming thick and fast already - including a very public transfer tantrum the day after a humiliating derby defeat. Proper United lad you see, loves the club etc.

Rashford is the absolute face of the toxic, egotistical hellscape of dressing room we've allowed to develop.

He doesn't need a(nother) new manager...he needs a new club.
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Most of us agree with Rashford. Jose was a wanker and Ole wasn't a good coach. His comments are hardly damning.

During the last two seasons:

20/21 - Played 57 Goals 21 Ass 12
19/20 - Played 44 Goals 22 Ass 8

I picked a random player who plays a similar role. Stats for Hueng Min Son over the same two seasons:

20/21 - Played 51 Goals 22 Ass 14
19/20 - Played 43 Goals 18 Ass 13

Yet our fanbase are saying Rashford has been awful for 2 years, despite performing at a very similar standard to one of the Spurs star players - who quite frankly - most of us would welcome at Old Trafford.

Rashford is currently shit and his attitude isn't good enough. But he's proved that he could be a real asset to a capable manager. I agree he also needs to pipe down - but we aren't selling our biggest asset whilst changing managers.

He's coming into the last year of his contract and it's time to sign a new deal. These are the same tactics we've seen a thousand times before.
 
Are people really worried about rashford leaving? This isn't 2016, he's nowhere near the player he once was as he has declined alot physically.

Marcus rashford and Anthony martial where our golden boys, rival fans were jealous of them at the time, I see rashford fans say martial was always overrated and I see martial fans say rashford was always overrated but they weren't, martial came from France with a handful of games and carried our attack, rashford scored in basically all his debut games in senior level for man United and England, they weren't mbappe good but they were quality Young players.

Unfortunately Manchester United fans and board didn't give a feck about their development, fans on here wanted ole even when he wasn't good enough, nobody cared about Jose Mourinho wanting to replace both of them with Sanchez and perisic.
City youngsters got pep, Liverpool got klopp, Tottenham had poch who did we have all this time?
Rashford and martial's attitude has been poor but this is what happens when you find yourself in a shit show that has been Manchester United for the past 8 years,it brings out the worst in you.
 
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Lynty said:
Most of us agree with Rashford. Jose was a wanker and Ole wasn't a good coach. His comments are hardly damning.

During the last two seasons:

20/21 - Played 57 Goals 21 Ass 12
19/20 - Played 44 Goals 22 Ass 8

I picked a random player who plays a similar role. Stats for Hueng Min Son over the same two seasons:

20/21 - Played 51 Goals 22 Ass 14
19/20 - Played 43 Goals 18 Ass 13

Yet our fanbase are saying Rashford has been awful for 2 years, despite performing at a very similar standard to one of the Spurs star players - who quite frankly - most of us would welcome at Old Trafford.

Rashford is currently shit and his attitude isn't good enough. But he's proved that he could be a real asset to a capable manager. I agree he also needs to pipe down - but we aren't selling our biggest asset whilst changing managers.

He's coming into the last year of his contract and it's time to sign a new deal. These are the same tactics we've seen a thousand times before.
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Forget the stat padding, Southgate dropped him for thr Euros because he was in poor form
 
Lynty said:
Most of us agree with Rashford. Jose was a wanker and Ole wasn't a good coach. His comments are hardly damning.

During the last two seasons:

20/21 - Played 57 Goals 21 Ass 12
19/20 - Played 44 Goals 22 Ass 8

I picked a random player who plays a similar role. Stats for Hueng Min Son over the same two seasons:

20/21 - Played 51 Goals 22 Ass 14
19/20 - Played 43 Goals 18 Ass 13

Yet our fanbase are saying Rashford has been awful for 2 years, despite performing at a very similar standard to one of the Spurs star players - who quite frankly - most of us would welcome at Old Trafford.

Rashford is currently shit and his attitude isn't good enough. But he's proved that he could be a real asset to a capable manager. I agree he also needs to pipe down - but we aren't selling our biggest asset whilst changing managers.

He's coming into the last year of his contract and it's time to sign a new deal. These are the same tactics we've seen a thousand times before.
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Nah. Post broken back Rashford's performances were very inconsistent despite the stats. His usual performance would be a lot of nothing and then a flash of brilliance. This was acceptable of course because he did score goals and get assists, but everyone who watched him could see the decline, which was blamed on injuries (again reasonable) over and over again. Now we have an injury free Rashford, but with an inflated ego and no work ethic on the pitch, no more flashes of brilliance and a PR team in overdrive trying to protect him at all costs. As Ralf would say, in ze bin.
 
This is bullshit of all bullshits? He is worried about not starting? How about him being grateful that he gets playing time even as substitute considering how shit he bas been?

Maybe he should worry about being in shit form+not giving a feck and do something about it? Just a thought
 
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Would love to know where he thinks he will start unless he is happy to move to a smaller club and just wants minutes...
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I bet he thinks he is good and it's all other people's fault. If he weren't delusional he would get head out of his ass and start playing better. It's not like he lacks talent
 
Him and Shaw have two years left on their contracts if club activates one year extension. Rashford earns 200k per week, Shaw 150k, neither deserve it but if club wants to negotiate they’d both want pay rises I’ve no doubt.

Maybe it’s time club starts considering Rashford and Shaw’s future. No one is this squad deserves what they currently earn let alone a pay rise and no one is indisputable. If club wants to move forward what to do with these players and many others needs a big rethink from just retaining them. It’s every bit as important as who we bring in.
 
Judas said:
This place is always very quick to wash their hands of a player when their form dips. I still think he’ll get back to his best, and I’d rather it was with us than a rival. He’s awful right now though.
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It's been a year and half. That until very quick. Clubs like Madrid, Bayern and City wouldn't put up with this level of mediocrity for 6 months.
 
He never kicked on and started to decline. I might have gone to his head like the rest of the squad. If complaining is his natrual way to react instead of fighting for his place - goodbye
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It's been a year and half. That until very quick. Clubs like Madrid, Bayern and City wouldn't put up with this level of mediocrity for 6 months.
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This place carried Rooney for years because nobody could accuse him of not trying. Not sure why people are so touchy when it comes to Rashford. Rashford form would have been tolerated for longer if he was actually putting effort. Plus his decision to have surgery post Euro and miss 3 months of United season really pissed me off. All this for sitting on bench for England and now he is not even in squad.
 
pratyush_utd said:
This place carried Rooney for years because nobody could accuse him of not trying. Not sure why people are so touchy when it comes to Rashford. Rashford form would have been tolerated for longer if he was actually putting effort. Plus his decision to have surgery post Euro and miss 3 months of United season really pissed me off. All this for sitting on bench for England and now he is not even in squad.
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I think you only put absolutely top class players on a pedestal affording them a prolonged period of not bring at their best. Even in that case it has to be time bound. Rashford has never been that and if he's not living up to his wages he should eventually be sold.
 
Have always suspected he was behind some of the leaks. Not only is the timing of this tone deaf but it's also comical. Asking a temporary 6 month interim man for clarification. He couldn't even tough it out 2-3 more months before pulling out the ultimatums.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I think you only put absolutely top class players on a pedestal affording them a prolonged period of not bring at their best. Even in that case it has to be time bound. Rashford has never been that and if he's not living up to his wages he should eventually be sold.
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Yes thats why this fierce defence of his lack of professionalism is surprising. He has been a decent player and someone who we could easily replace considering his contribution in last 2 years. We shouldn’t really allow players who have achieved nothing of significance to dictate terms.
 
He should be sent packing and I could not believe my eyes at what I say from him. Just standing where he was when the ball was in the City half and they passed the ball near him and nearly scored? All he did was not move a foot from where he stood. A Sunday park player and most of the CAF would at least have made an attempt to run or stop the move. Feck him.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Works under Mourinho, a tough love manager.
Result:

Rashford and his brother deliver epic clapback at #haters

"He might be one of the most successful managers ever but he just, like, totally doesn't get us"

"I can't be expected to work for somebody who actually expects me to follow instructions. I need an arm around the shoulder, vibes manager"

Works under Ole, an arm round the shoulder, vibes manager
Result:

His team brief that they were angry about a completely innocuous comment. Ends up with an embarrassing joint press conference a day later where Ole grovels to him.

As soon as the friendly, arm round the shoulder manager is sacked a media-wide brief comes out from every major United journalist where Rashford and his team blame Solskjaer for not working harder with him, while painting Rashford as some meek Tiny Tim figure (but also supes professional of course)

Now Rangnick, a mix of the two personalities, has been here for a matter of months and the bullshit is already coming thick and fast - including a very public transfer tantrum the day after a humiliating derby defeat. Proper United lad you see, loves the club etc.

Rashford is the absolute face of the toxic, egotistical, hyper-indulged hellscape of dressing room we've allowed to develop.

He doesn't need a(nother) new manager...he needs a new club.
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You’re literally doing what you’re accusing him of.
 
Rozay said:
He wasn’t over promoted at all. He’s had a poor spell, but he’s more than proven that he deserves to be here in his time. He’s had several big moments, stood up for us many times when needed, and similarly to how some posters appear to be disappointed that at the first sign of adversity, he is thinking about moving on - I think the same can be said for them. He’s a player we have developed from a kid who came into the side at 17 and has been delivering, scoring winners in derbys, in big CL games and generally being a big threat - until he hits a rough spell and now he should be shopped.

Rashford needs a bit of refocusing, but he’s already expelled any question marks about whether he can deliver at the highest level due to the fact that he has, on many occasions, delivered at the highest level.
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Seriously would you not just be better off with an 'I <3 Rashford' t shirt?
 
The likelihood of him - ever - becoming as good as we want him to be is slim.

That said, he's a very productive player at his best - much better than some of his critics seem to think (the idea that he never was anything beyond a hyped-up mediocrity is ridiculous).
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Works under Mourinho, a tough love manager.
Result:

Rashford and his brother deliver epic clapback at #haters

"He might be one of the most successful managers ever but he just, like, totally doesn't get us"

"I can't be expected to work for somebody who actually expects me to follow instructions. I need an arm around the shoulder, vibes manager"

Works under Ole, an arm round the shoulder, vibes manager
Result:

His team brief that they were angry about a completely innocuous comment. Ends up with an embarrassing joint press conference a day later where Ole grovels to him.

As soon as the friendly, arm round the shoulder manager is sacked a media-wide brief comes out from every major United journalist where Rashford and his team blame Solskjaer for not working harder with him, while painting Rashford as some meek Tiny Tim figure (but also supes professional of course)

Now Rangnick, a mix of the two personalities, has been here for a matter of months and the bullshit is already coming thick and fast - including a very public transfer tantrum the day after a humiliating derby defeat. Proper United lad you see, loves the club etc.

Rashford is the absolute face of the toxic, egotistical, hyper-indulged hellscape of dressing room we've allowed to develop.

He doesn't need a(nother) new manager...he needs a new club.
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Tiny Tim :lol:

The irony of the situation is we have paid him so much he can afford the kind of PR department that is usually reserved for small nation states, hence there is a whole team of writers working day and night to push the agenda of the player over the club. Sad times.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
He does, can, and would. He’s not a properly capable wide left forward. He’d be a solid number 9 in a team set up right.
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What are you on about? He just stood in a circle of 5 feet when the rest of the players pressed and then when City attacked on his side, he just stood there too. He couldn't be arsed about making an effort now. He had just come on as a sub and he would not be tired at all.
It is one thing if he tries and nothing comes off but he does not even bother to make an attempt. If he is asked to play even as CB then he better make an attempt if he wants to play for Manchester United. He is never a number 9 because he cannot head the ball at all and he cannot hold the ball either.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The likelihood of him - ever - becoming as good as we want him to be is slim.

That said, he's a very productive player at his best - much better than some of his critics seem to think (the idea that he never was anything beyond a hyped-up mediocrity is ridiculous).
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Rashford is only 24 and still well before his best years. Under the right manager he can become a brilliant player. It will be a monumental blunder for United to get rid of him, and they will regret it.
 
Che Guevara said:
Rashford is only 24 and still well before his best years. Under the right manager he can become a brilliant player. It will be a monumental blunder for United to get rid of him, and they will regret it.
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I very much hope you're right.

And - yes - I believe you are, at least partially, right.

I've said before that if someone (Newcastle) offers silly money for him (here and now), we should take it. And if that actually happens, I don't think we'll regret it in the sense that he'll turn out to be an absolute world beater we shouldn't have let go.

BUT: I do think he's someone we should think twice about moving on, as he is a player who could end up serving us very well in one capacity or another (not necessarily as a nailed-on starter - but that's another matter).
 
Che Guevara said:
Rashford is only 24 and still well before his best years. Under the right manager he can become a brilliant player. It will be a monumental blunder for United to get rid of him, and they will regret it.
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We'll survive and it's far from certain there's a brilliant player to be made by any quality manager. If people think Rashford's decisions are bad now wait till they see him under an even more modern manager. He's failing in Ralf's system which is like basic arithmetic compared to Ten Hag's rocket science. Running into 4 defenders because he has no clue what is the next pass to make. Rashford has nearly zero system compatibility.

There would need to be an undiscovered genius somewhere within Rashford for him to accelerate his football IQ development at the age of 24-25. If there's any consolation to be had it's that he won't be the only one to get brutally exposed next season.
 
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I don’t have much time for players who are considering - whether it’s their future or next hairstyle. Should only be considering how they prepare for the next match when on £200k a week. He’s lucky to be in a position to be able to consider his future, most people are not. I’d like to consider my next hairstyle too - difficult as I don’t have much hair - or the money to fix it.
 
Che Guevara said:
Rashford is only 24 and still well before his best years. Under the right manager he can become a brilliant player. It will be a monumental blunder for United to get rid of him, and they will regret it.
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I see this a lot but based on what evidence Rashford can become a brilliant player under the right manager? He doesn’t even have the basics right of pass and move football, making right decisions, workrate. Who is this new brilliant manager that’s gonna tolerate pathetic workrate, low IQ football brain and prima donna attitude ? Rashford’s best football which was still not so good was played under a counter attacking system where he could run into spaces and score goals. Do you want us to sign a counter attacking manager and not a progressive coach like ten Haag because he requires a lot of workrate, pass and move and intelligent decision making from his players. So what exactly is your point ? It’s such a generic hollow statement which doesn’t hold any ground nor does it make any sense.
 
He's very very average with shite work rate and when the going gets tough his head drops and he jogs about.

If he goes it'll be no great loss.
 
Lynty said:
Most of us agree with Rashford. Jose was a wanker and Ole wasn't a good coach. His comments are hardly damning.

During the last two seasons:

20/21 - Played 57 Goals 21 Ass 12
19/20 - Played 44 Goals 22 Ass 8

I picked a random player who plays a similar role. Stats for Hueng Min Son over the same two seasons:

20/21 - Played 51 Goals 22 Ass 14
19/20 - Played 43 Goals 18 Ass 13

Yet our fanbase are saying Rashford has been awful for 2 years, despite performing at a very similar standard to one of the Spurs star players - who quite frankly - most of us would welcome at Old Trafford.

Rashford is currently shit and his attitude isn't good enough. But he's proved that he could be a real asset to a capable manager. I agree he also needs to pipe down - but we aren't selling our biggest asset whilst changing managers.

He's coming into the last year of his contract and it's time to sign a new deal. These are the same tactics we've seen a thousand times before.
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Great post. The most reasonable take i've seen on the matter.
 
George The Best said:
I don’t have much time for players who are considering - whether it’s their future or next hairstyle. Should only be considering how they prepare for the next match when on £200k a week. He’s lucky to be in a position to be able to consider his future, most people are not. I’d like to consider my next hairstyle too - difficult as I don’t have much hair - or the money to fix it.
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This fell apart more and more with every sentence. Whole thing was mental. But the hair drama was fab.
 
Lynty said:
Most of us agree with Rashford. Jose was a wanker and Ole wasn't a good coach. His comments are hardly damning.

During the last two seasons:

20/21 - Played 57 Goals 21 Ass 12
19/20 - Played 44 Goals 22 Ass 8

I picked a random player who plays a similar role. Stats for Hueng Min Son over the same two seasons:

20/21 - Played 51 Goals 22 Ass 14
19/20 - Played 43 Goals 18 Ass 13

Yet our fanbase are saying Rashford has been awful for 2 years, despite performing at a very similar standard to one of the Spurs star players - who quite frankly - most of us would welcome at Old Trafford.

Rashford is currently shit and his attitude isn't good enough. But he's proved that he could be a real asset to a capable manager. I agree he also needs to pipe down - but we aren't selling our biggest asset whilst changing managers.

He's coming into the last year of his contract and it's time to sign a new deal. These are the same tactics we've seen a thousand times before.
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He has 8 goals and 7assists in his last 40 epl games.
Everything went downhill for him after 2020 ended.
 
Get the leak out of our club. Package him for PSG. His brand is big enough and let’s start again.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
He’d be just fine as a 9 at Leicester. Which is what we are discussing.
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Leicester needs them to work hard and he does not work at all. Vardy does not sulk around and he does his bit but Rashford had stopped it long time back. Vardy can head the ball well while Rashford never ever even goes up for a header.
 
Let's be honest here, Roy Keane had it right yesterday, these players give up, they don't fight lost causes and the saddest thing is Derby games are the easiest games to motivate players for, we can't just keep blaming manager after manager, at some point something has to change and Rashford and a few of our other lazy players should move elsewhere.

Every year we get linked with or spend big on and English player, Luke Shaw, Harry Mags, Wilfried Zaha, Arron Wan Bissaka - we've already been linked with another young English player from I think it was Southampton for this summer.

English players are over priced and coming from clubs like Leicester, Southampton, Crystal Palace - they aren't coming here with a 'winning mentality' fair enough Leicester may be a top 8 mentality but Crystal Palace and Southampton - mid table for them is like winning a trophy, I'm not saying Luke Shaw is rubbish because he's a good player, but there just seems to be some obsession with wasting money on English players here.

Take Sancho - people are like he's amazing blah blah, based on his Bundesliga performances... well Ademola Lookman went to RB Leipzig on loan and put in some stellar performances.
 
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