I’m a great fan of Martial just like you and I do agree with everything you said but I’ve decided to hold my final judgement until the end of this season. I hope Cavani can teach him things that he lacks and Ole can continue to press him on improving his work while defending. We’ll know fairly well by end of season if he can be allowed to continue being our striker or not.
Rashford and Martial are a problem
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This. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I've heard this "until the end of the season" so many times with Martial that I don't even know how much time to give him.
Yeah, let's hope so. Get the feeling Ole is too soft on him though. If he had Fergie as his manager it might (might) make all the difference (although if you need one of the best managers in history to make you work hard, it's a problem).
Mourinho was to hard on him, this and that. There is always someone else to blame for Martial then himself.
I’m in the “let’s give Martial until the end of the year” camp too, as it would be daft to look for buyers for him right now. But if PSG came with a bid of 70m right now I’d make sure the fax machine is working perfectly.
We know about the talent and we know about last season, but Tony looks like a player who’s done with his club and is just going through the motions. I have no idea what happened to him but there’s no joy in his game any longer and no intensity on it off the ball.
But let’s see if he can pull himself together over the next six months...or if he wants to.
We know about the talent and we know about last season, but Tony looks like a player who’s done with his club and is just going through the motions. I have no idea what happened to him but there’s no joy in his game any longer and no intensity on it off the ball.
But let’s see if he can pull himself together over the next six months...or if he wants to.
Some players are just hard to manage. What would have happened to Cantona if he hadn't met Fergie? Before arriving at United Cantona had been a sub in a distinctly average title-winning team and been kicked out of every other club he'd been at.
That said, players can't expect to have brilliant managers. Most of the top players play well for every manager, regardless of whether they have a good relationship or not.
To be honest, most of the top managers today wouldn't bother trying to crack Martial's behavioral code. They'd just get rid.
It's a shame, because he'd be a Robben-level player if he really screwed his head on. Let's hope he sees the light.
It wasn't. we got the 2nd goal so cancelled that miss out.
I think it might have been @Mockney who said about Martial something along the lines of "For a guy who hasn't meaningfully improved in 5 years he has an awful lot of excuses made for him". I think he has improved on certain things, but equally, he seems to have regressed in others. Eventually you just have to accept that these periods of poor form and what seems to be an iffy attitude are just part of the package, for better or worse. People tie themselves in knots trying to defend him, but the truth is he's a very talented player who, in the main, doesn't make the most of his talent. That's not a crime, but nor is it a good basis upon which to build a side around as your main striker.
It's not a crime but it's massively frustrating. If he applied himself he'd be a Robben/Giggs level player. Would be a massive shame to see him waste it.
What do you mean? Was he no named "player of the season" just a few months back? But he needs competition, so whoever is out on form can be rested. Martial is a great player to have in the squad.
Bingo
Martial, IMO one of the most overrated Utd players ever. If as some seem to think he’s worth £50 - 60 mil, we should sell.
Rashford is definitely the better player of the two, but still too Inconsistent. If our title hopes are hinging on these two then it ain't gonna happen.
Rashford is definitely the better player of the two, but still too Inconsistent. If our title hopes are hinging on these two then it ain't gonna happen.
I think time is running out for Martial. Ole seems very aware of his obvious deficiencies, and when we upgrade he’ll be the first to sit on the bench, which he won’t like one bit. Cue sulking and a transfer to somewhere like Fiorentina.
The relevance of this thread was - yet again - clear to see yesterday. Martial and Rashford both had half decent first halves, Rashford more so than Martial, but went completely hiding in the second half.
It happens too often the way we rely on them. I'd really like us to go for another striker.
It happens too often the way we rely on them. I'd really like us to go for another striker.
The martial experiment from Ole has failed, it needs to go back to what mourinho did of having him and rashford battling it out for the left wing position though if he does that I'm sure martial will sulk once again like he always does when things don't go his way.
I think this season has really shown that we need a "proper" striker, a "fox in the box" if you like.
You can tell the difference when Cavani plays. His movement, his guile and the runs to always attack the space around the near post,.
My biggest gripe with Rashford/Martial is their uncanny attitude to want to dribble their way out of a crowded area even when a simple give and go would suffice. i don't know if it's because they are not natural strikers or because their years on the flanks have ruined their attacking instincts.
I would prefer a Zlatan Drogba type. Big strong handful
Rashford and Martial are good going forward in a front three, but the problem is....
If your playing a diamond with 2 forwards, neither of them are natural number 9's that can give you the firepower you need (Kane, Vardy ect)
The pairing for two forwards should be (Cavani, Rashford) or (Cavani, Martial)
If your playing a diamond with 2 forwards, neither of them are natural number 9's that can give you the firepower you need (Kane, Vardy ect)
The pairing for two forwards should be (Cavani, Rashford) or (Cavani, Martial)
I'd let these two lazy fecks run round after round after every match if they continue with their half hearted bs very game now
Rashford is and has been fine. When he gets the ball, he has been rightfully aggressive.
No need for bumping this pseudo performance thread.
He's miscontrolled everything that's come near him, he's been anything but fine.
Rashford has been fine, his quick feet to get out of tight spaces has opened space up well.
Martial on the other hand is a passenger, he's so out of form is a hard watch. If we bring in Grealish or Sancho in summer, his days as a starter are over.
Martial on the other hand is a passenger, he's so out of form is a hard watch. If we bring in Grealish or Sancho in summer, his days as a starter are over.
Rahsford has probably been our worst performer this half. Nowhere to be seen
I don't know if it's a different game, rashford hasn't miscontrolled anything that wasn't too tight for him to get. Martial has. Bruno has ( which is ok cause he's still our most aggressive player).
Martial is off-form. Not much the manager can do about that besides hoping for the best.
But putting Rashford on the right is a problem of Ole's own making.
It's better to have one functioning wide forward rather than zero wide forwards. Put Rashford back on the left.
But putting Rashford on the right is a problem of Ole's own making.
It's better to have one functioning wide forward rather than zero wide forwards. Put Rashford back on the left.
Rashford looking like someone who has no pressure for his place.
Marital isn’t out of form. That is his form
They need a kick up the ass. No competition for their places. Martial knows if Cavani starts he’ll go on the wing. They need legit competition that could bench them. Look at how DDG & Shaw have improved.
Martial is having a horror season and at the age he is at it’s not good enough. Rashford has been scoring and assisting decent enough this season but there overall play has been so poor. Both are good players but we are trying to win the league here I feel both aren’t at the level to start every game.
Though I feel Rashford could get to top level and his best form is up there but he can have such a drop off when not at the races. The wake up call should be when Bruno came in you can see how good he is and Cavani who is 33 the caf want him to start ahead of Martial says all you need to know about top players level and Rashford/Martial level week in week out.
I’m not hating especially on Rashford as I feel he is still getting better and better but we need more consistent performances on a weekly basis
Though I feel Rashford could get to top level and his best form is up there but he can have such a drop off when not at the races. The wake up call should be when Bruno came in you can see how good he is and Cavani who is 33 the caf want him to start ahead of Martial says all you need to know about top players level and Rashford/Martial level week in week out.
I’m not hating especially on Rashford as I feel he is still getting better and better but we need more consistent performances on a weekly basis
They both can't start.
Rashford can be amazing, but is still wildly inconsistent. Martial is just not good enough
Rashford can be amazing, but is still wildly inconsistent. Martial is just not good enough
Martial is useless and even sometimes a liability for 85 minutes of the game.
Actually that is Rashford a lot of the time but the other 5 mins he does something that wins you the game. Martial is just woeful this season
Take any kind of win with thesw 2 playing as shit as they are at the moment, both rubbish again tonight.
No it isn’t.
Rashford impacts the game far more - I’d agree he isn’t playing well currently though. Still created the goal today.
Is that proving my point ? Rashford was woeful today but got the assist to win the game ?. It’s like the Sheffield United game he was woeful missed a few sitters but get the goal. Rashford has been decent to good this season but his stats would make it look like he was playing excellent and he’s not. Though I’m not that worried about him I’m slightly giving up on Martial
Quite an achievement to climb top of the league with neither forward performing.
Rashford is doing OK, Cavani as well but has not featured that much. Martial is in awful form for some time now, and Greenwood is a hardly getting a chance.
Rashford is doing OK, Cavani as well but has not featured that much. Martial is in awful form for some time now, and Greenwood is a hardly getting a chance.
Rashford should be back to the LW position and Martial should be back up to him and Cavani for the LW and CF positions.
Maybe dropping him will do him good.
Maybe dropping him will do him good.