Raphinha | Barca player

"We should have signed him, no wonder our recruitment is shit" Yeah imagine the meltddown here had we signed player from French league who scored just 5 goals and just 4 goals before for Sporting.

Smaller clubs takes all sort of risks and unearth these gems, doesn't mean it's wrong not to sign him. We have seen Lingard playing superbly and then we saw same Lingard stinking up the place for years. Just because a player does well at smallish clubs, doesn't mean they will do equally well or even better at bigger clubs.
 
roonster09 said:
"We should have signed him, no wonder our recruitment is shit" Yeah imagine the meltddown here had we signed player from French league who scored just 5 goals and just 4 goals before for Sporting.

Smaller clubs takes all sort of risks and unearth these gems, doesn't mean it's wrong not to sign him. We have seen Lingard playing superbly and then we saw same Lingard stinking up the place for years. Just because a player does well at smallish clubs, doesn't mean they will do equally well or even better at bigger clubs.
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I just see Lingard shooting a lot to be honest and being lucky with some deflections and bad keeping against Villa for 2 of his 3 goals. Against Spurs he kneed the ball and it caught Dier turning the wrong way, good finish with his left foot but its not the same as Raphinha impressing with his off the ball movement, wide play and crossing for leeds against southampton on top of the goal
 
Ekeke said:
I just see Lingard shooting a lot to be honest and being lucky with some deflections and bad keeping against Villa for 2 of his 3 goals. Against Spurs he kneed the ball and it caught Dier turning the wrong way, good finish with his left foot but its not the same as Raphinha impressing with his off the ball movement, wide play and crossing for leeds against southampton on top of the goal
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Lingard movement and link up is class too, he played only 3 games for West Ham.

Raphina averages around 74% pass completion. Fans here would moan about him giving ball away instead of focusing on what he brings to the team saying how inconsistent he is and he is already 24 and won't improve his footballing IQ.
 
roonster09 said:
"We should have signed him, no wonder our recruitment is shit" Yeah imagine the meltddown here had we signed player from French league who scored just 5 goals and just 4 goals before for Sporting.

Smaller clubs takes all sort of risks and unearth these gems, doesn't mean it's wrong not to sign him. We have seen Lingard playing superbly and then we saw same Lingard stinking up the place for years. Just because a player does well at smallish clubs, doesn't mean they will do equally well or even better at bigger clubs.
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How many goals did Dan James have before moving to us?

It's true that smaller clubs take take more punts simply because they have to. Their transfer model is often based partly around those sort of transfers. And yes, those players need not necessarily be good enough for stepping up a huge club like United. But at the same time, it doesn't mean every cheap buy that works out for other clubs wouldn't have been good for us.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
How many goals did Dan James have before moving to us?

It's true that smaller clubs take take more punts simply because they have to. Their transfer model is often based partly around those sort of transfers. And yes, those players need not necessarily be good enough for stepping up a huge club like United. But at the same time, it doesn't mean every cheap buy that works out for other clubs wouldn't have been good for us.
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Don't know. Maybe 3-5 and we had whole thread moaning about signing a championship runner.

With the benefit of hindsight, we should have signed him but if things stay as it is or even worse, you would have seen posts saying "You sign average players like Rapinha, you can't expect to win the league".

Btw I didn't say every transfer that works out for smaller clubs wouldn't have been good for us. I said how people just build a narrative no matter what. If we signed Raphinha and Liverpool/City/Bayern signed Amad, people would have moaned about out scouting saying we sign only obvious signings and don't unearth any gems.
 
roonster09 said:
Don't know. Maybe 3-5 and we had whole thread moaning about signing a championship runner.

With the benefit of hindsight, we should have signed him but if things stay as it is or even worse, you would have seen posts saying "You sign average players like Rapinha, you can't expect to win the league".

Btw I didn't say every transfer that works out for smaller clubs wouldn't have been good for us. I said how people just build a narrative no matter what. If we signed Raphinha and Liverpool/City/Bayern signed Amad, people would have moaned about out scouting saying we sign only obvious signings and don't unearth any gems.
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There are people who say silly things among all fan bases, but the more bang for your buck you get from your signings, the better the narrative surrounding you tends to be. We have ourselves to blame for signing players who perform well below their respective outlay.
 
I'd be cautious about signing any players from Leeds. Get the feeling they're all system players, playing well above their normal level.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There are people who say silly things among all fan bases, but the more bang for your buck you get from your signings, the better the narrative surrounding you tends to be. We have ourselves to blame for signing players who perform well below their respective outlay.
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Yeah but what do you think the narrative would be if we signed the player and he played in the exact same way?

For example, we have Rashford who has 15 goals + assists with better pass completion, better dribble success rate, loses ball less but still you see people moaning about his decision making, how he lacks IQ and how he isn't good enough for a top club. Now we have this player who has 74% pass completion rate, around 50-54% dribble success rate and losses ball around 4 times because of unsuccessful touches and getting tackled.

Anyways I would have loved to see him play for us, love players like him who takes on defenders and create chances but it his thread would have been full of moaning saying how he lacks IQ.
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
Actually the sort of "punt" we should have taken instead of Dan James. Not sure if he's ready for a real step up, but would have been great if our cheap purchase for RW could also have solid natural talent at least.
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Except he's older than James, not British and not clearly miles ahead of him so...
 
TwoSheds said:
Except he's older than James, not British and not clearly miles ahead of him so...
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Don't care if he's older or if he's not British. I'd be more interested in his quality and talent. To be honest I haven't seen much of the fellow, the odd time I have he's looked exciting. My point here was that our punts should be of the necessary technical level, that's all. Whether it's this guy or James or whoever.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah but what do you think the narrative would be if we signed the player and he played in the exact same way?

For example, we have Rashford who has 15 goals + assists with better pass completion, better dribble success rate, loses ball less but still you see people moaning about his decision making, how he lacks IQ and how he isn't good enough for a top club. Now we have this player who has 74% pass completion rate, around 50-54% dribble success rate and losses ball around 4 times because of unsuccessful touches and getting tackled.

Anyways I would have loved to see him play for us, love players like him who takes on defenders and create chances but it his thread would have been full of moaning saying how he lacks IQ.
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That's how it goes at a big club. Standards are higher. But while we accept that we are harsh on players due to our greater ambitions we also have to accept that the narrative is partly controlled by our success or lack thereof.
 
Rozay said:
And we’re second in the league, and miles better than Leeds, because we have recruited players who are a lot better than theirs.
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But we also spent entirely different figures the past ten years.

I get your point, and it is nice to see a counterweight to all the negative posters in here. That being said, dont you understand why people are being negative? We have spent so much money since 2013, when we were the best team in England, and our results have not been good.

It is hard to argue that we have not wasted a lot of money in the transfer marked, made very few really good signings (probably only Bruno?) and quite a few poor ones. The negativity and moaning is probably over the top, but it is also understandable.
 
He is absolutely class.

Has the ability to play well on both flanks, very quick, amazing stamina and fantastic skills, what's not to like? when he crosses he actually gets his head up and picks out somebody too, doesn't just smash it into the box.

I'd rather buy Haaland and get this lad instead of Sancho honestly. People saying "yeah but Leeds play open" have clearly not watched him properly.
 
Samid said:
@SportingCP96
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He is a good player, he was valuable at Sporting and him and Bruno were probably the only two who can make something happen for that very poor team we had.

Very quick player with good skill on the ball who can also shoot it well. Not necessarily someone I would expect to start at United but could be a great impact player coming off the bench.

With that being said I can honestly say I have not fully and extensively followed his trajectory at Leeds to know if he has gone up to a level that high to warrant being a starter at United.
 
I do like the look of him. Good on both sides and starting to deliver more regularly in terms of goal output.

I'm sure Leeds will be desperate to keep him. Bamford even said a few weeks ago he was surprised a bigger club haven't moved for him yet and I imagine it won't be too long before that does happen.
 
Baneofthegame said:
Odd that you picked a player they have tried to actually buy.
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What Leeds want to buy doesn't matter, I am talking United players that (some) fans want to get rid. It's easy to find it anywhere in Transfer forum.
Martial + £
Pobga + £
DdG + £
James + £
Lingard + £
....

But I guess all fans (of other Clubs) just the same.

*I don't think that kind of deal is impossible, just not as easy as some fans make it out.

Mkhitaryan - Sanchez
Danilo - Cancelo
Artur - Pjanic.
 
There are reports that Bruno has said they have a very good understanding on the pitch.
 
From the little I've seen he seems skilful and able to be creative as an inverted winger for a slight difference - but is his goal output as an inverted winger good enough? He has under 7 goals in most seasons at some attacking benefitting leagues.

How creative is he? Considering Leeds would ask for a lot of money he has to be quite creative from wide areas like Di Maria for it to work as a benefit for both teams.
 
I wanted him in the summer. Just cause we needed a right winger, saw Leeds were after him and his record looked good.

If he is all that then I'm sure we can yet pry him away from Leeds United.
 
Think people are being a little disparaging towards Raphinha's past record...comparing it to Dan James even.

He scored 15 goals in 32 games in the Primeira Liga for Vitor de Guimaraes as a 20/21 year old before moving to Sporting, where he scored 6 in 20(+8) apps, and was then Rennes record signing where he scored 6 in 25(+3) apps. So on paper his most impressive season was 3 years ago at a smaller club, but that may have been because he was their main man rather than supporting players like Bruno at Sporting. And his record is still pretty good on paper for Sporting & Rennes, much more so than Mahrez for example who scored 6 in 60 games for Le Havre in Ligue 2 before Leicester signed him. Our Portuguese posters can probably provide some proper insight...

Anyway, I think he's looked very impressive from the start at Leeds but didn't get the numbers his performances deserved initially, due to his teammates and himself fluffing some chances. Now has 3 goals + 3 assists in his last 6 games, so will be interesting to see if he keeps that up.
 
Fun player to watch for sure, but would he improve our first 11 and be the long term RW solution if we want to win the league and challenge for CL on regular bases again?
Not for me, and I don't think we need more rotation options in the attack either. So no.
 
Reminds me of when Mahrez was at Leicester. I think he is a very good player.
 
If it means freeing up space to buy a striker and CB then I'm all up for signing Raphinha but he'd probably cost a fortune now
 
He’ll be leaving Leeds soon enough. Doesn’t have the top-knot to fit in there anyway.
 
Seemed to forget the ball half the time for his runs but yeah he's got that fear factor when in possesion and scored some nice long rangers already.

Best to stay and develop at Leeds for another 12 months though, he'll have 40k at Elland Road sometime next season worshipping him.
 
Sancho is still my first choice but they may not sell him and Haaland to us and so we’d have to prioritize getting the latter. Any chance we can tempt Bukayo Saka especially if Arsenal miss out of a place in champions league?
 
UnofficialDevil said:
So has Leeds got a better scouting system than us? Why do we spot them after they've come to premier
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Bielsa is a one man scouting system by himself. That man has more knowledge of some random team's Academy players than the entire scout network of some big clubs.
 
Does Fred speak English or is that a translated interview? I've watched Leeds several times this season and they have a few good players but Raphina is the standout, a true winger but with Variety in his game.
 
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