He's our best CB by a mile.
Should always start when fit
Should always start when fit
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I've been very critical of him but he came in today and solidified a panicking backline.
Tried to tell people this when everyone had Lindelof and/or Maguire in their bestXI’s
4x Champions League winner
4x Super Cup winner
3x La liga winner
1x World Cup winner
1x Nations League winner
….On the bench?
I wonder if he have any respect at all for our captain. Im confused AF!
4x Super Cup winner
3x La liga winner
1x World Cup winner
1x Nations League winner
….On the bench?
I wonder if he have any respect at all for our captain. Im confused AF!
Agreed. Needs to start when fit
Should always be the first name in defence when fit, which isn't always unfortunately.
We need to forget this left footed business and just go with Varane and Maguire next game.
We need to forget this left footed business and just go with Varane and Maguire next game.
Apparently his fitness is being managed
Incredibly knee-jerk. He gave us what we need when he came in, fair play to him.
We are equally crap with him though. He is poor on the ball, over commits a lot of the time. Can see him starting against Liverpool and making silly mistakes again, and get injured.
We are equally crap with him though. He is poor on the ball, over commits a lot of the time. Can see him starting against Liverpool and making silly mistakes again, and get injured.
Maguire and De Gea are the main issues right now.
Last season the only time we had a semi decent defense was when Lindelöf and Varane where partners.
It doesn't matter who we partner Maguire with, his terrible positioning and erratic behaviour will make every other CB turn to crap. Give Varane a shot with Martinez and get a new keeper.
Okay. It seems to me that most players in our starting XI dont have the required fitness levels. We ran 15km less than Brentford today.
Has to play every single game he’s fit
Fecking ludicrous that we benched him. Should be starting every game if Ten Hag wants to keep his job.
Nailed on to start against Liverpool surely.
Yup. Legitimately mental that folks thought he should be benched.
Not all of them coming back from an injury hit season and missed a lot of pre season through injury.
Somehow we brought Varane to the club and turned him into backup for Harry Maguire.
Varane has become one of those defenders that no matter what error he makes, it’ll always get forgotten and swept under the carpet. It was happening to Lindelof for a while
There has been some serious re-writing of history today.
Give it some time and some will say he's been the best CB in the world since signing, just needs to stay fit.
Why is everyone so knee jerk? He was unfit and poor for most of his time here thus far. He played well today and I hope it continues but let's not pretend that he should be an automatic starter because he's always been good for us. He may have incredible accolades but so for for us he has shown that he has work to do to be deemed an automatic starter, same as any of our other CBs.
Nah, the last few months I've mostly noticed people wonder if Madrid sold us a finished player, or that he wasn't any good at all last season, many highlighting the Brighton game, when to me his fitness aside (the obvious hurdle) he's quite easily our best defender.
It took 1 and a half games for the Maguire/Martinez partnership to be so bad that Varane had to brought back into the team mid-game. Amazing.
Since Varane joined us last year
PL Games with Varane: 23
Goals conceded: 22
Less than 1 per game
PL Games without Varane: 17
Goals conceded: 41
2.41 goals per game
p value <0.01
Any Man utd fans or football coaches who claim that he is not our best CB (with all the mistakes he has) needs an IQ check or take a STAT1001 class.
It is the way that he handles the games matters. He handles the games like a top club's CB, even though he may have mistakes here and there. Maguire has all the tackles and headers but he handles the game like a relegation fodder's CB. That's why Maguire concedes so many goals in his career even though he has all sort of great "tackles per game" "clearance per game" stats.
PL Games with Varane: 23
Goals conceded: 22
Less than 1 per game
PL Games without Varane: 17
Goals conceded: 41
2.41 goals per game
p value <0.01
Any Man utd fans or football coaches who claim that he is not our best CB (with all the mistakes he has) needs an IQ check or take a STAT1001 class.
It is the way that he handles the games matters. He handles the games like a top club's CB, even though he may have mistakes here and there. Maguire has all the tackles and headers but he handles the game like a relegation fodder's CB. That's why Maguire concedes so many goals in his career even though he has all sort of great "tackles per game" "clearance per game" stats.
Varane and Martinez is better pairing. But I think in the current state it should be 3 at the back.
He has to start over Maguire.
I've said it before. We are the only top club in the world who would bench Raphael Varane to play Harry Maguire and a 5ft9 CB from the Dutch league.
Maguire has been better than Martinez in the first two. Not saying much but still true.
New to the league and will only get better, we know Maguires level and it is not good enough
This is his time. He needs to step up and deliver against Liverpool. This is what he was bought for.
RC89, Have a read will ya
I don’t think those stats describe the reality very well. Varane missed all games against City and Liverpool, which were 15 goals conceded. He also missed games against Arsenal and Chelsea. Not saying he was poor, but by missing the big games he obviously also missed a lot of conceded goals.
Those stats look great for Varane, and I'm not one of those that's writing him off but by the simple eye test it's clear that he's not been a success yet.
Depends on the eyes I suppose. I've seen what those stats back up
I think with his reputation and pedigree it is strange that he has become backup so easily. I know injuries play a part but you would think he would have to have a bunch of terrible performances before he is relegated to the bench at a new club with problems in his position. He didn't set the world on fire last season when he played but I don't think he was particularly bad either.
*Quality of the eyes
Okay let's take those 4 games out. You're still left with 26 conceded in 13 games when he's not playing.
Let the nonsense about him not being clearly our best defender end now
We need him to be a leader, and to stay injury free.
You made me spend 15 minutes to check the stats game by game:
games against Non-big 6 teams without Varane starting since he joined us: 12
goals conceded: 22
Your argument is clearly checkmated.
Since Varane joined us:
We conceded 0.91 goals per game when Varane (22/24 games) is on the field
We conceded 1.47 goals per game when Maguire (47/32 games) is on the field
We conceded 1.69 goals per game when lindelof is on the field (47 goals/28 games)
We conceded 1.00 goals per game when Bailly is on the field (4/4 games)
He is the best CB we have. It is very obvious. As I said many times, the fans and coaches using "tackles per game" "interceptions per game" "clearance per game" to measure how good a CB is are dumb. Many 3rd tier CBs got excellent "tackles per game" "interceptions per game" "clearance per game" while elite CBs like VVD have meh stats
Our CB's pecking order (injury aside) shall be Varane > Martinez/bailly > Maguire > Lindelof
Lindelof is a Championship level defender.
Been saying all along that having this guy sat on the bench in favour of Maguire or Martinez is ridiculous. The man has won everything and has so much experience.. that alone should see him start ahead of either one of them.
We should be going ahead with Varane and Martinez.. I think it’s easily our best pairing.
We should be going ahead with Varane and Martinez.. I think it’s easily our best pairing.
If he doesn’t start v Liverpool instead of Maguire I’d start questioning ETH
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