Probably not as worse as the post, which said Elanga has superb touch, technique and movement or something but no.
He's comfortably a 6/10, who produces lots of 5 or 6 out of 10 performances with the occasional 7.
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Probably not as worse as the post, which said Elanga has superb touch, technique and movement or something but no.
He's comfortably a 6/10, who produces lots of 5 or 6 out of 10 performances with the occasional 7.
So, he's our new punchbag
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Please watch the last game of the season last season and let me know what your think. 6 years of absolute mediocrity it's baffling he is still here and starting matches.
Varane has been an injury-prone and hasnt adapted to english football.
No doub his best days were for Real Madrid, awful signing but hopefully Martinez will be our starter alongside Maguire.
No doub his best days were for Real Madrid, awful signing but hopefully Martinez will be our starter alongside Maguire.
Not even close yet. Its barely been a couple of pages of criticism since that performance. If that was Maguire with half as bad as that performance, we'd be looking at 10 pages in like an hour with people mostly hurling insults. Now, thats a punchbag.
If he was 7/10 CB I doubt we would have needed a new one. Lindelof is just not good enough at the top level in my opinion.
Not enough is made of how poor this signing has been.
He was really poor last season and was injured a lot.
Against Villa earlier he was just really really bad.
He was meant to be the guy to sort out our back line.
He was really poor last season and was injured a lot.
Against Villa earlier he was just really really bad.
He was meant to be the guy to sort out our back line.
His first game back in preseason after an injury and the Caf is on him like butter on toast. 
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To be fair, Lindelof's first half of last season was comfortably the best any of our defenders played last season. Obviously he shat the bed in the second half of the season, but Maguire and Varane were poor enough throughout the season that Lindelof might still have been our best overall.
He's been a total disappointment, hopefully he can get fit again and we see Madrid's Varane this season.
At this point people rate him because of his CV because no one can rate him by his last season performances.
At this point people rate him because of his CV because no one can rate him by his last season performances.
A quicker but weaker Lindelof
We can thank Woody for that!
Giving a new contract to Jones when it was obvious he would not play was a horrendous decision,i think 98% of all United fans saw that except Woody he was "protecting his value".
This is the way I see it, too. Lindelof was quietly our best defender in the first half of the season. Things went badly in the second half. Maguire was poor throughout. Varane had ups and downs. He had more poor performances than Lindelof did. He definitely made more individual mistakes. Lindelof being our best defender last season is a very bad sign.
Hopefully Martinez is good...
I watch the games, I watch the training vids and he just seems detached. A guy on the fringes. Very quiet. Could be wrong but that's the impression.
Not what you want from a player who's supposed to be a senior player, leader etc.
Not what you want from a player who's supposed to be a senior player, leader etc.
With regards to Varane, I really don't know what to think of him, I watched him a lot as I follow Madrid (if United are not playing), to me, Ramos & Varane complemented each other very well, Ramos is an extremely proactive defender, but what made him great was that he read the game very well, while Varane excelled in covering the space behind the defensive line.
Varane with Madrid was consistent and solid in his performances, I'll admit that playing alongside an aggressive CB like Ramos and having a quality DM like Casemiro helps a lot, but nevertheless, Varane was pretty solid for Madrid, and showed the same solidity with France NT.
Then there's the Varane I saw last season, who started promisingly, but was then injured a lot and was never able be fit enough to build a consistent form, and even when played, was never convincing in his performances, and now, he isn't even having a good pre-season, and I don't think it's even injuries, it feels as if he has dropped a level or two in terms of quality, which is really disappointing to see, the hope here is that maybe a challenge for a starting spot will make him push himself to get back to his best level.
I always thought the "protect the value" thing was about re-sell. We all now know it was merely a balance sheet thing.
So they could claim Jonesy as a 30m or so player on the sheets.
Only on redcafe could posters suggest Varane was a Jonny Evans style player who only looked remotely decent when having an all time great next to him
He had 45 min of pre-season football, after a fairly long injury lay off, then missed 2 games due to injury again, and looked shite for 30 min with a second string squad in horrendous conditions. Clearly has always been shite and carried by Pepe and Ramos.
His biggest problem is keeping fit, and if he can’t then we should offload regardless of his performance when fit. Reading much into that 30 min against Villa is pointless.
His biggest problem is keeping fit, and if he can’t then we should offload regardless of his performance when fit. Reading much into that 30 min against Villa is pointless.
I really don't think Varane was that bad last season. He was certainly the best of a bad bunch.
He can shine this season beside Martinez. Martinez will compliment him well with his aggression.
He can shine this season beside Martinez. Martinez will compliment him well with his aggression.
Of course he wasn't. He showed his ability once he got a few games under his belt. The criticism on here is insane. If he stays injury free he'll easily be our best defender.
The disappointment is probably in relation to the expectations and disappointed people tend to exaggerate a little. He is the highest paid defender in the PL and people were expecting him to be one of the absolute best defenders in the PL. He might have a good season, but probably not ending up as one of the best in the league. I think he has looked like he’s declining the last three years now.
THe thing about re-sell value is there must be a market for that player? Who wants to buy a player made of glass on 120k a week?
I predict he'll spend majority of next season on the sidelines with various injuries.
Great player but cracks easier than a digestive biscuit these days.
Great player but cracks easier than a digestive biscuit these days.
The best we can hope for is that he can at least take the strain off our other centre backs for a few league cup and europa games.
5 or 6 of those is probably it.
A top form Varane is still better than Maguire. Question is can he stay fit to get there
Okay but how long are we supposed to let him live off his name before we call a spade a spade?Only on redcafe could posters suggest Varane was a Jonny Evans style player who only looked remotely decent when having an all time great next to him
Very spot on
To be fair he is always back from some sort of injury. He's gotta be judged at some point. He has been a bad signing so far, no point defending him.His first game back in preseason after an injury and the Caf is on him like butter on toast.
With that assessment you would think Varane and Martinez would be a good partnership as Martinez is very pro active and aggressive and you would hope Varane would be able to cover behind with his pace.
We need him to stay fit first.
Then as per everyone in the squad, see if they can fulfil a distinct role under a proper coach for the first time in years.
I'm defending him because I disagree. When he played 2 games in a row he looked our best defender last year.
I find it funny that he's been written off by some because of his performances last season, yet Maguire is still being nailed on as first choice despite his shocking season.
Can't disagree, Martinez's proactive style might work well with Varane's ability to defend the space in behind.
The issue here is that Varane isn't showing his Real Madrid version at all, it is true that injuries impacted him, but that is not an excuse for a top player like Varane, he really needs to get over his fitness issues and find consistency in form too.
I really disagree with the bolded, he was a first choice CB at a team like Madrid until he left, and he won the La Liga with Madrid in 2019/2020 too.
Varane basically is not a VVD or Dias in terms of being super impressive with their defensive displays, he is just a 7/10 consistent performer, he is quietly solid, reliable and consistent, that's what made him successful at a team like Madrid, the problem for us is, we have not seen that Varane version at all, and despite his injuries, I am not excusing Varane here at all, at some point, he has to become consistent fitness wise and performances wise, or else, he would be a highly paid CB sitting on the bench because he is either injured or not playing well when fit.
The large majority of football fans and posters here don't even watch the actual football games. They watch highlights, read articles and very often spout total crap. And Jonny was top notch CB for us, and one of the few players that demonstrated that after leaving us.Only on redcafe could posters suggest Varane was a Jonny Evans style player who only looked remotely decent when having an all time great next to him
Really hope he can get over his injuries. We're not seeing the player he is supposed to be because he's constantly battling his own body; he has barely had a preseason, what are people expecting to see other than a display of how unfit and off the pace any players are under such circumstances?
Sincerely hope he's not organically destined to become a crock in the latter stages of his career. You have to wonder what are the chances of having three perma-crocked CB's at the club is and whether it's a coincidence that they are all by far our most athletic CB's of the set. Is it the training methods, or pure, unadulterated bad luck?
Sincerely hope he's not organically destined to become a crock in the latter stages of his career. You have to wonder what are the chances of having three perma-crocked CB's at the club is and whether it's a coincidence that they are all by far our most athletic CB's of the set. Is it the training methods, or pure, unadulterated bad luck?
I wouldn’t completely rule out him leaving next month.
Juventus need to replace De Ligt and I imagine the Italian league will be kinder to Varane.
Juventus need to replace De Ligt and I imagine the Italian league will be kinder to Varane.
Injured way too many times to be a reliable top CB in EPL. And for the wages he is on, best to sell him this year if not next!!
We need another CB and a RB to fully transform our defence in long run.
We need another CB and a RB to fully transform our defence in long run.
He will be managed well I assume, he will still start a lot of games, he’s a top class player when he is fit & just hope he can form a partnership with hopefully Martinez, he’s ten times the player is maguire is, that’s not slight on maguire who I think will have a much better season, lindelof is meh, we have really good cb depth now though
What I wrote was only based on my own observations as I follow Real Madrid and watch their matches. In my opinion he declined the last two season in Spain. With decline, I mean that he has had his peak, and I don’t expect him to ever get better than when he was at his best. This doesn’t mean he’s a poor defender, just not as good as before.
I really hope he will stay injury free and get back at a high and consistent level as I think he is one of those players who will manage to adapt to EtH’s system of playing.
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