Randal Kolo Muani

bosnian_red said:
Kolo muani is a much better player than Hojlund, come on. He's not an amazing goalscorer but he'd 100% improve us and give us more than either Zirkzee or Hojlund are doing
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Is he worth the transfer fee, 4 years of wages and signing on bonus/agents fee though?
 
PlasticRed said:
Is he worth the transfer fee, 4 years of wages and signing on bonus/agents fee though?
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"Tottenham, Man Utd & Juventus exploring deal to sign Randal Kolo Muani on loan from PSG"

Ornstein isn't talking about all that though, is he.
 
bosnian_red said:
"Tottenham, Man Utd & Juventus exploring deal to sign Randal Kolo Muani on loan from PSG"

Ornstein isn't talking about all that though, is he.
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Yeah but is he worth £80 million on a 5 year contract on 300k a week!, Is he? IS HE?!!
 
If it's just a loan then sure, why not.

As much as we need quality in attack, we also need basic numbers. Whatever Muani brings, he'd be an improvement on the empty space in the squad that Rashford and Mount are currently unable to fill.

Maybe he really convinces and we go into the summer with a transfer target we've actually seen play for us for several months. But if not, no real loss.
 
Blood Mage said:
He's another false 9 type striker isn't he? We need a goal scorer.
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I agree however, who's available that we can realistically get?

I think muani is an improvement over Zirkzee, if Zirkzee goes and we have no viable goalscorers as options I'd take muani


The summer however muani or muani type player isn't what we need/want
 
If it’s a six month loan then why not. He can’t possibly be worse than what we have.
 
sullydnl said:
If it's just a loan then sure, why not.

As much as we need quality in attack, we also need basic numbers. Whatever Muani brings, he'd be an improvement on the empty space in the squad that Rashford and Mount are currently unable to fill.

Maybe he really convinces and we go into the summer with a transfer target we've actually seen play for us for several months. But if not, no real loss.
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Don't know much about it but from YouTube he's better at recieving the ball and making runs.
 
bosnian_red said:
Upgrade on the rashford who doesn't play, hojlund who can't get more than 1 shot per game and can barely control a ball and Zirkzee who plays in slow motion.
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Zirkzee and Rashford don't really start. I also am not convinced he's actually an upgrade on Zirkzee or Hojlund anyway. He's apparently been quite poor in a PSG shirt. His goal contributions look worse than Hojlund and it's a much easier league.

Maybe someone who watches PSG can give a more informed opinion though? @JPRouve
 
I really dont think we should be considering this player as an option even if its only a loan, he only has 8 goals from 36 apps in a poor league so probably isnt good enough for the Premier League
 
VP89 said:
Who is he an upgrade over?
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Rashford for starters considering he doesn't play. Probably Zirkzee as well who's nonexistent as a goal threat.

Note: I'm strictly talking about this from a sense of bringing him in on loan. I don't think he's some brilliant player that would bring our levels up loads or come in and fire us back into European contention in the spring. But when I look at our attack and largely feel everyone bar Amad would struggle to start for top half sides, I'm pretty open to new options if it makes sense financially. Maybe Amorim works wonders on him and he finds his Frankfurt form again who knows.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Rashford for starters considering he doesn't play. Probably Zirkzee as well who's nonexistent as a goal threat.

Note: I'm strictly talking about this from a sense of bringing him in on loan. I don't think he's some brilliant player that would bring our levels up loads or come in and fire us back into European contention in the spring. But when I look at our attack and largely feel everyone bar Amad would struggle to start for top half sides, I'm pretty open to new options if it makes sense financially. Maybe Amorim works wonders on him and he finds his Frankfurt form again who knows.
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Rashford I can understand but I am still struggling to justify how he's better than Zirkzee. You mentioned the former is a nonexistent attacking threat but he's outperformed Kolo Muani in better leagues.
 
VP89 said:
Rashford I can understand but I am still struggling to justify how he's better than Zirkzee. You mentioned the former is a nonexistent attacking threat but he's outperformed Kolo Muani in better leagues.
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He's more physically equipped to fit into any of the attacking roles more than Zirkzee, and offers more intensity. That's it really. Zirkzee is a great passer and technician but is laboriously slow and in this system it shows heavily, not to mention he doesn't seem to have any sort of instinct for wanting to score. He outperformed RKM last season no doubt, but two years ago RKM was one of the most coveted breakout attackers on the market.

All I'm saying is I'm willing to bring him in for the off chance it clicks with Amorim and he helps us up the attacking output, considering at the moment it's nonexistent game to game. He's not close to my first choice, but by all accounts and reports we basically have 0 budget without sales this month and at least a gamble loan on a player looking to rediscover form isn't a terrible option.
 
VP89 said:
Zirkzee and Rashford don't really start. I also am not convinced he's actually an upgrade on Zirkzee or Hojlund anyway. He's apparently been quite poor in a PSG shirt. His goal contributions look worse than Hojlund and it's a much easier league.

Maybe someone who watches PSG can give a more informed opinion though? @JPRouve
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Eh he's a much more talented player than Hojlund in general and at least had the 1 season at Frankfurt where he scored 23 goals in it, which is better than anything Zirkzee or Hojlund have ever done. PSG with Luis Enrique play a very specific style of play that he just doesn't suit.

Given at what we can actually do in January, he's an improvement and would be a big help IMO. Would make us far more threatening having him up top rather than Hojlund who provides pretty much nothing aside from work rate. Kolo Muani is quicker, knows how to use his body better, can actually link up with others and creates plenty of chances for others, while working hard defensively himself. He gets involved and can play across the front 3.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's the answer long term or anything, but we are 13th and don't actually have money to spend this month while the "no brainer CF option" (Gyokeres) will probably be on the move in the summer and I'm sure we'll go for him. Beggers can't be choosers. Right now we aren't getting Premier League level production out of Hojlund and I just can't stand seeing him start for us anymore. Kolo Muani I'd bet would do "ok" here and just make us more dangerous as a whole.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
He's more physically equipped to fit into any of the attacking roles more than Zirkzee, and offers more intensity. That's it really. Zirkzee is a great passer and technician but is laboriously slow and in this system it shows heavily, not to mention he doesn't seem to have any sort of instinct for wanting to score. He outperformed RKM last season no doubt, but two years ago RKM was one of the most coveted breakout attackers on the market.

All I'm saying is I'm willing to bring him in for the off chance it clicks with Amorim and he helps us up the attacking output, considering at the moment it's nonexistent game to game. He's not close to my first choice, but by all accounts and reports we basically have 0 budget without sales this month and at least a gamble loan on a player looking to rediscover form isn't a terrible option.
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bosnian_red said:
Eh he's a much more talented player than Hojlund in general and at least had the 1 season at Frankfurt where he scored 23 goals in it, which is better than anything Zirkzee or Hojlund have ever done. PSG with Luis Enrique play a very specific style of play that he just doesn't suit.

Given at what we can actually do in January, he's an improvement and would be a big help IMO. Would make us far more threatening having him up top rather than Hojlund who provides pretty much nothing aside from work rate. Kolo Muani is quicker, knows how to use his body better, can actually link up with others and creates plenty of chances for others, while working hard defensively himself. He gets involved and can play across the front 3.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's the answer long term or anything, but we are 13th and don't actually have money to spend this month while the "no brainer CF option" (Gyokeres) will probably be on the move in the summer and I'm sure we'll go for him. Beggers can't be choosers. Right now we aren't getting Premier League level production out of Hojlund and I just can't stand seeing him start for us anymore. Kolo Muani I'd bet would do "ok" here and just make us more dangerous as a whole.
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Both of these opinions are fair but I don't see the value add. Stylistically I think Zirkzee can be as much as a hit or a flop as Kolo Muani. They both look like they have similar ceilings, and neither are strikers.

Kolo Muanis season in Frankfurt was a long time ago and he's performed quite poorly in the French league, underperforming both Hojlund and Zirkzee who were in more difficult leagues. I don't consider Kolo Muani as an upgrade on either but I haven't seen him play often. Just going by sentiment and output. He feels a bit like a sideways move more than anything else. That being said I prefer him stylistically to Vlahovic.
 
bosnian_red said:
Kolo muani is a much better player than Hojlund, come on. He's not an amazing goalscorer but he'd 100% improve us and give us more than either Zirkzee or Hojlund are doing
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At the point he signed for PSG he was. In 2025, sorry but no, he’s lost his way in the French League. It would take something extraordinary to suddenly roll up to the PL and start balling out.

Furthermore, it’s clear as day we need someone who guarantees G/A more than anything. Kolo Muani doesn’t tick that box right now.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
At the point he signed for PSG he was. In 2025, sorry but no, he’s lost his way in the French League. It would take something extraordinary to suddenly roll up to the PL and start balling out.

Furthermore, it’s clear as day we need someone who guarantees G/A more than anything. Kolo Muani doesn’t tick that box right now.
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It's the same situation as Ugarte struggling under Enrique but then finding his feet under Amorim again. Sometimes you just don't suit one manager. Like I said, the main thing here is our situation. We are 13th, don't have much money to spend, and need to look at the loan market for attacking help. The options are extremely bare, so a loan on a player who was rated highly before last season but lost his way after his big money move is pretty much our only option
 
The last game I watched him play was France Italy in the nation league where he played as one of the strikers and my god he was awful. Pretty average against arsenal as well when he played 30 odd mins. Not a fan of this at all
 
He is either gonna be a flop wherever he goes or a star he was in Frankfurt. He didn't fit Enrique tactics from the get go at PSG and it was such a weird purchase from them. Kind of just buying for the sake of it.
 
Only for loan move without obligation to buy. He has played in similar system at Frankfurt so it’s worth a try for short term. He also has pace & physicality to play in PL. Not sure why Spurs need him. Spurs have Solanke plays as striker, Son, Werner, Maddison, to cover LW. I think he’s likely to start over Hojlund in here than at Spurs & Juventus as striker.

If possible, please find a way to sign Gyokeres in January instead.
 
After watching Mazraoui and Ugarte for us, it's only confirmed that it's hard to make any judgements unless you watch them regularly. I had no idea they were this good.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's the same situation as Ugarte struggling under Enrique but then finding his feet under Amorim again. Sometimes you just don't suit one manager. Like I said, the main thing here is our situation. We are 13th, don't have much money to spend, and need to look at the loan market for attacking help. The options are extremely bare, so a loan on a player who was rated highly before last season but lost his way after his big money move is pretty much our only option
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I think the only difference is Ugarte never looked bad for Enrique, he just wasn’t playing his instinctive game.

Kolo Muani may not suit the Enrique style but looking like an inept footballer is a completely different story.
 
Rojofiam said:
Btw the article mentions that Kolo Muani was our 2nd choice target behind Hojlund in 2023
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It’s too early to say that Muani would flop in here but our scouting department needs to be questioned.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Not an accurate comparison. Ugarte’s strengths were always clear —his quality wasn’t (mostly) in question, the issue was that he didn’t fit Enrique’s system and tactics.

Kolo Muani hasn’t shown anything other than being another Frankfurt striker swindle.
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You might be right or wrong but your post sounds to me that you’re pushing the narrative towards Ugarte. Muani did very well in one season at Frankfurt, while Ugarte did very well in his second season at Sporting (his first season he wasn’t regular player based on the appearance numbers). Performing very well in one season in Portuguese league shouldn’t be considered as ‘’were always clear’’ in comparison to someone at Bundesliga.
 
JE-365 said:
our scouting department needs to be questioned.
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The old classic!

Why don’t you write them a strongly worded letter asking them to explain exactly what they’ve been doing?

Would definitely print off that tweet and include it too, show them that you have them by the short and curlies.
 
Offloading Rashford and Zirkzee both on loan and bringing in Kolo Muani on a non-obligation loan is worth a shot IMO. He can’t be less ineffective than Zirkzee and Rashford was last seen in a night club. The only way is up!
 
2 man midfield said:
Bottled the World Cup for France. That’s about all I know about him.
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Yeah the first time we got linked I thought oh the guy who could have put France 4-3 up in ET of 2022 World Cup Final.

Getting that same feeling of when we got Weghorst or Ighalo where I was trying to find reasons to be positive about it. Haven't managed to find any with this guy yet. So if someone can offer any.
 
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Every time I’ve watched him, he seemed to be not that refined and not that technically sound, and mostly a pace merchant.

Disclaimer is I’ve watched him like 4 times. So I might have watched him on off days
 
From what I've seen, he's not a false 9 but he will run the channels. Probably makes sense as a loan, in this system, if Zirkzee is going.
 
JE-365 said:
It’s too early to say that Muani would flop in here but our scouting department needs to be questioned.
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I disagree. The dysfunctional team environment of the last 12 years for United, plus our scouting department getting ignored on a lot of occassions have given them a bad reputation in some fans' eyes.

I personally think our scouts are amongst the best in the world. And identifying Hojlund is probably one of the testaments to that for me.
 
Freak said:
Bloody hell the striking options in the market is atrocious. Other than Gyokeres, everyone else seems underwhelming
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Strikers are in short supply everywhere to be fair. Even the 2 top teams in England don't really have a great striker. They obviously make up for it in other areas.

Can't remember a time in football where the position was so lacking.
 
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