Ralph Hasenhüttl

FootyGirl88 said:
Up to 9th now and level on points with Spurs, quite a turnaround.
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Plays 442, promotes youth, gets the best of the players, doesnt need specialists in certain positions. High press, high intensity game

What else do you need . I would take him above Poch.
 
Incredible how they're now above the likes of Arsenal and level on points with Spurs. They looked doomed a few months ago.
 
I looked at their team a couple of weeks into the season and I thought they're 100% going down. I haven't seen this turn of form since Ole's honeymoon period or Leicester's great escape under Pearson.
 
Awesome turn of form for Southampton. level on points with Spurs and 1 more than Arsenal.
 
do.ob said:
Who called Hasenhüttl the second coming of Klopp?

Who called Tuchel the second coming of Klopp? Their styles and personalities are almost polar opposites.

Hasenhüttl got to coach Leipzig.

Rangnick was the guy who quasi-sacked him at Leipzig.
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Hasenhüttl's style is extremely similar to Klopp though. In fact, both Southampton and Liverpool are the two leading teams in terms of pressing/balls won in the opposition's side, with Southampton even ahead of City.

Rangnick backed Hasenhüttl probably 99% of his time at Leipzig, even though the phase where they almost had relegation form. They started to have their quarrels when Hasenhüttl wanted to have a bit more flexibility in his style, where as Rangnick wanted to keep playing that high press football. Not even Klopp was comparably stubborn as a hardcore Rangnick back then when it came to that kind of no nonsense pressing style.

Tuchel is different though, yeah. He's probably 40% Klopp and 60% Pep style of play.
 
Great turnaround. Looked a dead certainty to get sacked when they lost 9-0 to Leicester. What's changed for them? Return of injured players (Ings?) or how has he managed to turn it around? Their squad didn't look particularly impressive either.
 
mu4c_20le said:
He's making 442 great again.
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Problem at the start of the season was the 532 /352 (or various variants - 541 etc) that he tried. Might be good, but didn't have the players for it. So while he might have persisted a bit too long with that, at least he changed. Should have changed after the Leicester debacle (which I sat through the whole of, waiting for the rain to stop really before going - which it didn't!) but still persisted for the next 2 PL matches against City and Everton (both lost).

Also, changing goalie has made a bit difference. Our CBs are a bit fragile, and having a weak goalie behind them didn't help.
 
Wessex Saint said:
Problem at the start of the season was the 532 /352 (or various variants - 541 etc) that he tried. Might be good, but didn't have the players for it. So while he might have persisted a bit too long with that, at least he changed. Should have changed after the Leicester debacle (which I sat through the whole of, waiting for the rain to stop really before going - which it didn't!) but still persisted for the next 2 PL matches against City and Everton (both lost).

Also, changing goalie has made a bit difference. Our CBs are a bit fragile, and having a weak goalie behind them didn't help.
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Where have you been??

Where do you think you will finish this season?
 
JDoe said:
Hasenhüttl's style is extremely similar to Klopp though. In fact, both Southampton and Liverpool are the two leading teams in terms of pressing/balls won in the opposition's side, with Southampton even ahead of City.
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Maybe I'm interpreting the phrase wrongly, but I think "second coming" means more than just a preference for aggressive pressing. I mean post say 2013 it's not exactly an uncommon trait in German/Bundesliga coaches.

JDoe said:
Rangnick backed Hasenhüttl probably 99% of his time at Leipzig, even though the phase where they almost had relegation form. They started to have their quarrels when Hasenhüttl wanted to have a bit more flexibility in his style, where as Rangnick wanted to keep playing that high press football. Not even Klopp was comparably stubborn as a hardcore Rangnick back then when it came to that kind of no nonsense pressing style.
Tuchel is different though, yeah. He's probably 40% Klopp and 60% Pep style of play.
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Their form never was that bad. They bounced around top four for most of the season, even being second as late as February or fourth in April and then four games without a win toward season's end killed their CL hopes.
I don't recall reports of the time, but I would have put it exactly opposite. Hasenhüttl couldn't evolve from complete reliance on pressing, the team had little idea how to control games and it seemed doubtful that he was able to take them to the next level.
I mean if Ragnick really was so hard stuck on the clichee pressing approach, why would he have gone through some trouble to secure Nagelsmann a year early right afterwards?
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Where have you been??

Where do you think you will finish this season?
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I've been a bit disillusioned with footie, but the fickleness of things has changed in the past few weeks. Still, I do question what the point of clubs like Saints are - to make up numbers seems to be about the stretch of it. So when we were doing badly, it played to my grumpy side of things.

Where we'll finish? I think that the 10-16 spots will be covered by a point or two. Maybe another 3 or 4 more from 7-9. So let's say 12. I think given the poor start, I'd take that. Just hoping, like most of the rest of the country, we can win our next PL game. That would make it 5 away wins on the trot. Having said that, I'm not sure that we'd see our selves where we currently are, so who knows. Maybe we'll finish 7-9! If you look at Leicester's PL winning team, the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. I think that that can be applied to Saints at the moment, which I guess comes down to the manager.

I should also add, that Danny Rohl (assistant manager) leaving for Bayern at the end of July seemed to have left a void with Hasenhuttl. Might be wrong, but I think RH likes to have a close assistant to bounce things off. Maybe the new guy we appointed at the end of August took time to gel.
 
I've been a fan since he came in. He done a really good job improving them last season but the wheels appeared to come off at the start of this season. To turn it around after the Leicester debacle shows a great strength of character. There's a reason he was so highly regarded outside of England before he arrived.
 
Wessex Saint said:
I've been a bit disillusioned with footie, but the fickleness of things has changed in the past few weeks. Still, I do question what the point of clubs like Saints are - to make up numbers seems to be about the stretch of it. So when we were doing badly, it played to my grumpy side of things.

Where we'll finish? I think that the 10-16 spots will be covered by a point or two. Maybe another 3 or 4 more from 7-9. So let's say 12. I think given the poor start, I'd take that. Just hoping, like most of the rest of the country, we can win our next PL game. That would make it 5 away wins on the trot. Having said that, I'm not sure that we'd see our selves where we currently are, so who knows. Maybe we'll finish 7-9! If you look at Leicester's PL winning team, the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. I think that that can be applied to Saints at the moment, which I guess comes down to the manager.

I should also add, that Danny Rohl (assistant manager) leaving for Bayern at the end of July seemed to have left a void with Hasenhuttl. Might be wrong, but I think RH likes to have a close assistant to bounce things off. Maybe the new guy we appointed at the end of August took time to gel.
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I hope you get a top 10 finish you would really deserve it, are the club looking to buy this month? I was surprised RH wasn’t really backed in the summer just gone. I think you can improve quality wise with some additions in key areas. Have you been linked to any players etc?
 
I've always had a soft spot for Saints and Hassenhuttl has really impressed me with his strength of character to turn things around there. Good story, I hope they finish as high up the table as possible.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I hope you get a top 10 finish you would really deserve it, are the club looking to buy this month? I was surprised RH wasn’t really backed in the summer just gone. I think you can improve quality wise with some additions in key areas. Have you been linked to any players etc?
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We haven't got any money, and we've got far too many players of questionable quality, half who are out on loan. Unlike Utd, we can't just drop £50m on a player here, £70m on a player there. We've got something like £80m worth out on loan and sort of need to shift that (and the excessive wages we pay them) before signing new. RH said he wanted to reinforce the defence, but I suspect we won't get anyone in.

Our owners, they're never going to do anything for us. IMO I suspect it will end in tears.
 
Wessex Saint said:
We haven't got any money, and we've got far too many players of questionable quality, half who are out on loan. Unlike Utd, we can't just drop £50m on a player here, £70m on a player there. We've got something like £80m worth out on loan and sort of need to shift that (and the excessive wages we pay them) before signing new. RH said he wanted to reinforce the defence, but I suspect we won't get anyone in.

Our owners, they're never going to do anything for us. IMO I suspect it will end in tears.
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What happened to the VVD money? You cant have spent it all already. I thought your owners had money too or have i missed something.
 
bond19821982 said:
Plays 442, promotes youth, gets the best of the players, doesnt need specialists in certain positions. High press, high intensity game

What else do you need . I would take him above Poch.
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I apologise to you in this thread. He's a good manager and he's done very well to turn things around since the 9-0 massacre. Shows character.
 
TheReligion said:
I apologise to you in this thread. He's a good manager and he's done very well to turn things around since the 9-0 massacre. Shows character.
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No problem mate. Glad that you have come around and appreciate the things he has been doing.
He was highly rated outside of England. So really surprised when he took the saints (no offense meant to them as a club but a highly rated manager taking a team lingering around relegation line was bit weirdly bold)
 
bond19821982 said:
No problem mate. Glad that you have come around and appreciate the things he has been doing.
He was highly rated outside of England. So really surprised when he took the saints (no offense meant to them as a club but a highly rated manager taking a team lingering around relegation line was bit weirdly bold)
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Do you think he would be a good fit at United directly after Ole? I've started a thread in the United forum as I have a strong feeling that Ole is gone in the summer hence the reluctance to give him any money this January despite our injury crisis. It seems Poch is gathering momentum again along with the fact he's been very quiet and not taken another job.

I'd be open minded to a change but do feel Ole will be gone regardless in the summer.
 
I like him, would definitely look at him for options if we were sacking Ole.
 
He is a good manager. If he was in charge of a more glamorous team he would be talked about more.
 
I've always listened out for how he's getting on because, when you read about this influx of German managers that are hot topics, what he did is always talked about above the likes of Nagelsman etc. I can't even remember what I read now but I do remember thinking we need to keep an eye out for him.

He had a bad period at Southampton and I wondered if he was just another flash in the pan, but the way he's turned it around actually reinforces his ability. Even after that drubbing by Leicester, he's done what top managers do in steadying the ship and going again. I caught a bit of their game on MOTD and they were raving about improvements to players like Redmond etc.

This for me, is the perfect answer to people arguing that Solskjaer needs time, money, Paul Pogba + new signings in midfield to make it work. A proper coach will elevate everything and give direction to the team.
 
pocco said:
I've always listened out for how he's getting on because, when you read about this influx of German managers that are hot topics, what he did is always talked about above the likes of Nagelsman etc. I can't even remember what I read now but I do remember thinking we need to keep an eye out for him.

He had a bad period at Southampton and I wondered if he was just another flash in the pan, but the way he's turned it around actually reinforces his ability. Even after that drubbing by Leicester, he's done what top managers do in steadying the ship and going again. I caught a bit of their game on MOTD and they were raving about improvements to players like Redmond etc.

This for me, is the perfect answer to people arguing that Solskjaer needs time, money, Paul Pogba + new signings in midfield to make it work. A proper coach will elevate everything and give direction to the team.
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They're two totally different scenarios.
 
pocco said:
How?
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Firstly expectations/pressures are different, secondly you're taking a view when they've finally found some good form and we have since dipped and saying "there you go, proof". Let's say Hasenhuttl lost Ward-Prowse for the majority of the season, I don't think he could coach them into performing better without him. There's nothing to suggest their form will just linearly continue either.
FootyGirl88 said:
Not really its the same thing with Rodgers at Leicester too. Lifted an underperforming team. You dont need money to get a team playing cohesively.
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Yeah, Rodgers has done a good job, but it would be similar if he had Maddison out for the majority of the season. You don't need money, but you do need a well constructed squad, which we don't have.
 
Lash said:
Firstly expectations/pressures are different, secondly you're taking a view when they've finally found some good form and we have since dipped and saying "there you go, proof". Let's say Hasenhuttl lost Ward-Prowse for the majority of the season, I don't think he could coach them into performing better without him. There's nothing to suggest their form will just linearly continue either.

Yeah, Rodgers has done a good job, but it would be similar if he had Maddison out for the majority of the season. You don't need money, but you do need a well constructed squad, which we don't have.
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Even with our injuries, our squad should be playing better. We have a better squad than Sheffield and Southampton but you can clearly see when they play they are being coached so much better. Their passing is quicker, more accurate and has more purpose with worse players than ours for sure. I could understand if we looked a bit disjointed after an injury, but our players never seem to know what to do when they have the ball and never seem to know how to find their teammates.
 
3KDré said:
Even with our injuries, our squad should be playing better. We have a better squad than Sheffield and Southampton but you can clearly see when they play they are being coached so much better. Their passing is quicker, more accurate and has more purpose with worse players than ours for sure. I could understand if we looked a bit disjointed after an injury, but our players never seem to know what to do when they have the ball and never seem to know how to find their teammates.
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Except when we actually beat decent teams, like City, Spurs, Chelsea. I don't see where coaching comes into people just not moving, when we've done it before successfully.
 
Lash said:
Except when we actually beat decent teams, like City, Spurs, Chelsea. I don't see where coaching comes into people just not moving, when we've done it before successfully.
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The difference is we played counter attacking football in those games and none of those teams at the time had a great defence to deal with that either. Movement is much more important in games where we dominate the ball, because it drags players out of position to create space to attack. We've struggled against almost every team that sits back against us, which in my eyes shows Ole is not properly coaching his players on how to move off the ball, where and when to pass etc etc.
 
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