What does that have to do with anything? This thread was created over a year ago for a start.
Ralph Hasenhüttl
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I find it funny our fans always seem to think the Man Utd managers job is some high pressure and high expectation job, while we let managers coast for years without expecting to do anything of note until he's managed to buy an entire squad of players. While there are clubs in Europe who literally sack managers after a couple of months.
It was started a year ago because he was a good manager a year ago. It continues to the present because he's still a good manager today.
But his current reputation as the next great manager in football is based on a month of decent results. It's nothing a couple of dozen other managers in Premier League history haven't matched.
actually a bit true. If a manager ignores social media and can take a few dodgy questions from the media, they'll be fine.His reputation as a very good and potentially excellent manager is very obviously not based around one month.
That's still a great record with the squad he has.
Not quite true.
Southampton have been playing some good football for a while.
It takes time for a managers 'philosophy' or ideas to truly implement itself on a team. I think this season we are beginning to see that at Southampton.
Just making things up
He's a good manager who's the current flavour of the month. In the past year of so, you could have said the same thing about Wilder, Santo, Arteta, Lampard, Dyche, Howe, Potter, etc.
He's being touted as the next United manager because there's a belief he's a top manager in waiting. Read back a couple of pages.
Of course he looks like he's going to be a top manager.
He could be another flavour of the month but surely none of the above have achieved what he achieved in Germany.
The difficult thing is that sometimes you wait too long to move on a manager/player because he is a 'flavour of the month' then in a flash he rocks up at PSG and you have missed out. Sometimes you jump the gun and he turns out to be another overhyped Villas Boas. It's the nature of the games, very few manager are ever the ideal candidate.
Incidentally, there's also this thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rank-the-pl-managers.458650/
36 games is almost a season worth of games, and he'd be top 4-6 with a friggin relegation quality squad. That's extremely impressive, don't you think? Of course, there's always the question if he could do the same for a big club with all the primadonnas playing there, but Pool and us (Bayern) last season showed what a well coached high pressing team with better individuals is capable of. Not to say he's the next Klopp (I don't even think Klopp himself would be able to replicate what he did in the last years) but he's probably among the absolute cream of the crop managers that are playing this kind of football AND would be available.
Santos is also a very good manager and potentially world class, but his Wolves side is quite defensive and IMO not as entertaining to watch. Might add that I do rate Ole though and think he did well last season, from the few games that I'm able to watch.
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I think the Ferguson experience has done a number on most fans and those within the club. The club's dithering is part because a significant number of those within it saw how Fergie took a number of years to win his first trophy and then went on to become the greatest ever so we somehow think Fergie was the greatest ever because we have him time but overlook the fact that he was a great manager who had done extraordinary things in Scotland. The time and support he received weren't a substitute for the inherent talent he had.
Was thinking about this yesterday. First Poch, now Hasenhuttl - from all I've ever heard about Southampton, they're very 'well run' by 'foobtall people'. They've always had a great academy, and seem to have sensible structures in place, notably between the first team and youth squads. When they sell key players, they seem to have a solid plan in place to replace them, and have a system with players that fit it.
All that to say, is it Southampton or the managers themselves? If we took either and brought them to our shambles, could we really expect miracles?
I'd certainly like us to try, because both have a strong record of improving squads and getting more out of them. And watching their teams you can just see that they're coached. Unlike...us.
All that to say, is it Southampton or the managers themselves? If we took either and brought them to our shambles, could we really expect miracles?
I'd certainly like us to try, because both have a strong record of improving squads and getting more out of them. And watching their teams you can just see that they're coached. Unlike...us.
This is not true and is very unfair on our fans and club. If we can see a clear direction then everyone would be patient. As it is right now the only manager that ever showed any sort of direction when they managed United was Vangle, and even though he showed that, it was clear after two years that it wasn't good enough. All of Moyes, Jose and Ole just seem to go from game to game without any real plan in mind.
Maybe a fair point. But I dont think we should be looking for «a next great». There is too few of them. Rather we should look for a good manager, at the top of his game, representing «modern football» that someone can build on.
Wow.
Southampton actually badly lost their way for a few years after Koeman left in 2016.
Got in Puel who did exactly what he did at Leicester, had respectable results but crowd didn't like the safety first football. He also still had likes of Van Dijk in his squad.
Then got in Pellegrino who had done excellent job with Alaves but had a disaster of six month spell and left them all but relegated. Got in Mark Hughes who rescued them with 8 points in last 4 games but I was amazed they gave him the job full time and they just treaded water the next season.
Lost their touch with transfers in that period aswell. Signed Boufal, Wes Hoedt, Guido Carrillo, Elyonouassi and Lemina for over 50m who made next to no impact so their strategy isn't quite bulletproof either.
Hugely impressed when they got in Hasenhuttl as they were well in the bottom 3 at the time so great ambition from their board to get in manager who'd spent previous season managing in CL.
You must have just started watching PL football outside of a few top teams. Usually it’s not as crazy as this season but really fun league to watch.
New manager bounce all the time! Genius!
You're clearly on a WUM. Hasenhüttle has a bottom five squad in the league and has been doing great for a full year with them in the PL. That's still not that much, but his life didn't start in England. Before joining Southampton, he'd been getting great results with 3 or 4 clubs in Germany, which included getting Leipzig to second in the Bundesliga. You don't have to rate him, but saying he's just a flavour of the month without any previous history of success or quality is nonsense.
Hope those in charge at United think the same!
Horrible gang of thugs his team are. Delighted to beat them.
Eat a bag of dicks ralfie.
Press that you Cnuts
The German Eddie Howe?It seems to me that the key to winning is to demand the manager of the next team we play be the one to replace Ole
They actually scout managers. They got another waiting if he leaves
Another "elite" manager taken out.
Ugliest football I've seen for a while. Credit to their left winger(?), though. Only positive player in their midfield and attack.
Ugliest football I've seen for a while. Credit to their left winger(?), though. Only positive player in their midfield and attack.
I thought Che Adams did well as a bit of a nuisance... But clearly they're a different proposition when Ings is on the pitch.
They have an incredibly weak underbelly.
They showed the stats of points they've lost after being ahead and it was comfortably the highest in the league - before including today's ones!
Then remember they just about saw out the Villa game when 4-0 with Villa taking it to 4-3 and being well on top in the second half.
They showed the stats of points they've lost after being ahead and it was comfortably the highest in the league - before including today's ones!
Then remember they just about saw out the Villa game when 4-0 with Villa taking it to 4-3 and being well on top in the second half.
Can we have him as no 2
Look at the players he has to put out. They gave us a run for our money and if he had more quality at his disposal he’d do very well. Worrying to see a team lose a 2 goal lead though no matter who the opponents are
I’ve never quite got the love for the high pressing game as the way to play. Horrible, scrappy football for me. And relies on fouling constantly.
They were well and truly fecked at the 70 minute mark. The thing with the high press, high intensity scheme is that they either need to rotate well to keep that up or build a big enough lead that they can sit back and counter with after a while. If they keep going rabid, they'll run out of gas well short of the finish line.