Do better than Ralf Rangnick?
Ralf Rangnick
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Never going to happen but would love if we brought him & VDS in to restructure and look after the footballing operations & Nagglesman came in as head coach, whilst Ed just looked after the finances & sponsorships.
As mentioned, can’t see it. Ed will not want to give up his power
As mentioned, can’t see it. Ed will not want to give up his power
He's in his 60s and has spent his entire career at small German teams. If we were Freiburg fans then perhaps I would be in favour of him.
If we were to appoint a DoF, and I have yet to see a convincing argument for one, then I would want one of either two types. Either someone who has a good track record at a club of equivalent size and ambition to United. City appointing Begiristain after his work at Barcelona for example, that was a good decision. If not that then someone much younger with fresh ideas and a modern approach, preferably someone who knows PL football, maybe someone like van der Sar or Paul Mitchell. Rangnick ticks very few boxes for me.
The box he ticks is judging by his recent quotes he’d demand the commensurate authority in the position and not just be some glossy PR decoration with occasional input. Which in itself isn’t enough, but certainly a necessary box to tick.
Campos was bending over backwards trying to show deference and being overly polite, in his recent quotes.
Campos was bending over backwards trying to show deference and being overly polite, in his recent quotes.
Odd you would suggest him when he hasn't really been a DOF before, neither has Van der Sar. Btw Rangnick is the blueprint for a modern DOF in terms of his approach.
With regards to why we need a DOF, you should read Woodwards interview in UWS, it details many of the problems we have had and highlights a need for someone to run with a football vision beyond the manager and away from the management of finances. The football operation of a club now is huge compared to before, a DOF does not just pick transfers, in fact they have a scouting network that does all of that. What they do is plan the development of the squad and football strategy over a long term period which means keeping an eye on players coaches scouts and managers at all levels of the game.
Rangnick did a great job with Leipzig both as a DoF and as a coach.
I am joining the choir though. This would make too much sense so I am sure that this idea does not exist in Big Ed’s mind. In there, he probably sees himself as the mighty dictator of Man Utd.
I am joining the choir though. This would make too much sense so I am sure that this idea does not exist in Big Ed’s mind. In there, he probably sees himself as the mighty dictator of Man Utd.
I think you need to read more about Rangnick. If you are looking for fresh ideas, a modern approach and someone with a very good philosophy to strictly oversee football operations at a club of any size, then he'd be the perfect man. Mitchell was working directly under him not very long ago.
Tottenham: Dele Alli, Toby Alderweireld,Kieran Trippier.
Southampton: Sadio Mane, Dusan Tadic.
How so? Isnt Mitchell the DoF there?
He wasnt a DOF at those clubs though right. And as I am sure you know a DOFs role goes far beyond signing players
No. He's the Head of Recruitment, same as he has been at every club. He would be reporting back to Rangnick (who also would have been the one who decided to hire him for that role), as would all the other heads of their departments. The best case scenario is probably to bring them both in, not to bring in Mitchell and expect him to do the role that Rangnick has been doing above him.
He got the credit for finding and getting them there. And yeah of course.
Well i wouldnt mind both then.
Rangnick took Mane to Salzburg funnily enough
I think for a DOF Mitchel doesn't yet have the experience and its telling RB didnt give him the job when Rangnick moved up
Can't wait for us to get him in.
If not for anything, just to be able to say: "The sporting director needed information from Mr. Butt so Ralf rang Nick
If not for anything, just to be able to say: "The sporting director needed information from Mr. Butt so Ralf rang Nick
Do not want too old.
I know neither van der Sar or Mitchell have worked as a DoF before. They were examples of younger men with a good understanding of modern football and experience of the PL and who have already worked at clubs closer to United's level than anywhere Rangnick has been in his career.
Btw calling Rangnick the blueprint for a modern DoF is absurd given he's only had that role for a handful of seasons at relatively minor clubs. There are numerous people I could name who have been far more influential as DoFs who predate him and even if you arbitrarily limit the discussion to just his generation and just his country then someone like Zorc who built the modern Dortmund has been vastly more of an important and influential figure than Rangnick.
I did read the Woodward interview in UWS. Woodward talks a lot about how bad are recruitment has been and a bit about how the club lacked vision. He is right on both counts. However he also seems confident that the recruitment issues have been addressed and that Solskjaer's vision for United is the correct one. I think he might be right about that as well. I can understand why the clamour for a DoF built up amongst our fanbase during the Moyes/Van Gaal/Mourinho era but I am willing to give the Solskjaer project a bit more time before deciding we need further changes.
It's funny tbh, I see a lot of comments in this thread about how Rangnick would be a good appointment therefore United wouldn't do it. It would actually be extremely like United to have let three managers in a row waste ridiculous amounts of money but then as soon as we get someone who actually buys us good players we give that job to someone else.
Sorry to burst bubble but we are talking about a head coach position yes ? Most bayern fans seem to think so...
Would be THE dream singing for you guys. He would be perfect. The world perfect never fits more perfect than here. And the thing is: if he will come, he will have all the power (and a contract lenght) he needs for his jobs. Otherwise he wouldn't take the job in the first place.
He is capable of building a club and a modern structure in there from top to bottom, implementing everything a club needs short,mid and longterm. Rangnik with your financial power and burried potencial, crazy imagination.
He is capable of building a club and a modern structure in there from top to bottom, implementing everything a club needs short,mid and longterm. Rangnik with your financial power and burried potencial, crazy imagination.
I know all about Rangnick. He's not exactly a new name in football. I don't understand why you think he is so well suited to clubs of any size when he's spent his entire career, playing and post-playing, at clubs that are minnows in comparison to United.
1. We don’t know yet if that is correct we’ll need to evaluate this later in the season. At this stage plenty of signings could have been called good e.g Di Maria Memphis Lukaku Matic etc
2. The recruitment process wasn’t down to Ole since he doesn’t have full control. The process is now in place
3. If Ole leaves for whatever reason who then carries the mantle? You basically create the same problem we had when Fergie left
Woodward alludes the fact that part of the work Ole is doing needs to be augmented so the manager can focus on coaching the first team and so that a change in manager doesn't disrupt the process long term. However recruitment doesn't stop at players as Woodward also alludes to. Keeping track of who the next manager could be, keeping track of the best scouts analysts etc. This isnt something the manager should be doing.
The reason the Fergie model no longer really works is because the game has changed and there is alot more that goes into it now.
To me it seems like he wants Woodward's job, I can't see him working under him. Maybe Ed is feeling the heat, hence his recent attemtps in the media to justify the abysmal work he has done.
I would love for him to come here. He would bring order to the galaxy.
Ole's primary job is to win football matches for Manchester United and if he doesn't do that often enough he will be sacked. To postpone necessary restructuring on his account is madness and especially looking at how he has performed so far. Pointing at a couple of obvious signings as evidence of him being the right guy is nothing more than clutching at straws.
The guy under discussion is perfect for what we need. Good at building a team and good at spotting managerial talents. He is also a proponent of modern tactics and will be capable of appointing a manager who can implement a desirable philosophy. It will be typical Woodward incompetence to snub this guy and Campos then when the Ole experiment inevitably blows in his face be found scurrying around looking for DOF when the ones throwing themselves at us would have settled at comparable clubs.
I'm interested to know what responsibility you expect a DOF, to be stripping away from the CEO?
I would forgive Ed for a lot of his poor previous decisions if he would employ Rangnick as our DoF!
If I am to believe his words in UWS, this is the kind of signing to prove it
If I am to believe his words in UWS, this is the kind of signing to prove it
Our fanbase wants a multibillion pound business to be run like the small family business it was 20 years ago.
True, employing a visionary and competent DOF is the only way to make this Glazer regime work on the football side imo. They won't go mad at team rebuilding like Madrid did in the summer so they need someone who is capable of finding very good players on the cheap, who has the feel for players who are on the crusp of greatness and the contacts to execute the signings without drama.
If we had gone into the summer with a guy like this one on our books there is no way we would be using excuses such as 'cultural reboot and its a long process' to protect a drowning manager. We wouldn't have spent our budget on two very expensive but incomplete players either. This is why I want the Glazers out, an owner interested in football would tolerate the Woodward and Ole circus and would have taken corrective action to get the club back track.
Agree. We've never been about buying the superstars but about creating them. This guy has proven.this.
That's the most optimistic manner one can view the situation we're in at the moment. That Woodward has finally seen the light and that Ole is that light. In reality though, it's not just about "buying good players". It's about the whole competency and suitability of the whole staff and structure.
I'm not sure about the framing of "Moyes/van Gaal/Mourinho" as an era - the only common denominator is the structure of the club, which is still the same. To group those three as an era is a presumption of us having turned the corner as a club. It's plausible within the realms of the possible, sure. But there are no serious indications for this to be true.
You speak of the previous managers wasting ridiculous amounts of money but bear in mind that Judge does the negotiating and he's Woodward's responsibility. At times, Woodward steps in, as has been reported with the Maguire deal. Even under Ole we were extending lucrative contracts of mediocre players. Woodward is the one mainly responsible for the negligent waste of money, the often referred to financial mastermind here on the Caf. He's probably wasted more money than he's made the club. I mean, we've spent over 800m since SAF retired, have the third highest wage bill on the planet and yet, not top 40..50? in Europe.
Hiring competent people would save this club.
Sigh. As I said before, think link sounds too good to be true. If he's that good I'd have Ole out the door in 5 minutes. But it's never so clever and logical with us. We'll probably hire Allegri soon chasing titles we aren't yet good enough to win.
Good news but I’m not falling for it. If he does come to United, can he really shut the door of Woodward and Judge from interfering?
Never going to happen. In situations like this, personality types like Woodward steer away from such decisions out of spite.
Literally the same psychology as holding a treat out of reach and going "You want this, don't you? Don't you? Would you like me to give this to you? You would? Really? Okay, get ready!" just because of a perceived slight.
They're inherently cowards and losers, so they feel strong compulsions (in some ways it's not their fault) to go to such extreme and self-destructive lengths to get the feeling of winning.
Plus there is now the additional complication of him being terrified of someone else fixing the club so easily: literally 'this will fix almost all of your problems' vs 'but it will make me look stupid?' and what for anyone else approahes a no-brainer is for him a deeply troubling choice. One in ten-trillion chance of this working as an anti-jinx
Literally the same psychology as holding a treat out of reach and going "You want this, don't you? Don't you? Would you like me to give this to you? You would? Really? Okay, get ready!" just because of a perceived slight.
They're inherently cowards and losers, so they feel strong compulsions (in some ways it's not their fault) to go to such extreme and self-destructive lengths to get the feeling of winning.
Plus there is now the additional complication of him being terrified of someone else fixing the club so easily: literally 'this will fix almost all of your problems' vs 'but it will make me look stupid?' and what for anyone else approahes a no-brainer is for him a deeply troubling choice. One in ten-trillion chance of this working as an anti-jinx
This and the autonomy such a guy would demand before stepping through the door will remove Woodward from the thing he really loves - doing transfer deals and taking credit for them.
What did he say if you don’t mind me asking?
I'm not necessarily opposed to this idea but I do wonder if the scale of the job would change the nature of his role. I doubt he'd be able to walk in here and get the same level of control as he does at a fourth tier German club or a small club in Austria, and he's quoted as saying that control is paramount to the work he does.
We should not be replacing this guy with Ole. We should be bringing him in making the overall footballing decisions and then him bringing in a coach.
What, in his UWS interview? Basically that he leaves the footballing decisions to the football men and we're always looking to innovate and improve and how he doesn't get involved in the footballing decisions...sometimes.
A great nugget from him in that interview was (paraphrasing him now), "One side product of our model is, when the manager wants to sell a player, we usually sell the player...but not always!" What a muppet.
RR built RB Salzburg, RB Leipzig and now has the control over all RB clubs except Salzburg (officially). He brought RBL to the CL, began with a small club and RBL is now a top 20 club in Europe. Salzburg has one of the best youth systems all over Europe, selling players every year and earning millions. RR would be perfect for United but he would be Ed's nightmare. He is a control freak and a real assh$#^&, but he knows what to do.
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