The more I think about it, the more I’m excited about the appointment of RR to the job. No guarantees, but I see us turning a corner and scaring top clubs.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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According to The Mirror…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-haaland-transfer-rangnick-25561715
I see Sunday Express are linking us with Nagelsmann, absolutely dreadful source because no way he is leaving Bayern so soon.
Waiting to hear from Ducker, Mitten, Luckhurst or Whitwell on whether his first game is likely to be Arsenal or if McDonnell is right and will be Palace
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McDonnell is as useless as Custis. If he turns out to be right, it was a lucky guess.
We will probably have a better idea on that at the start of the week, my gut feeling is it could well end up being Palace with a work permit to sort
That's a good summary.
There's a bit of a hint, for whatever reason, that he wasn't able to complete the job he started but clearly left behind a much better outfit
Have Lokomotiv approved it yet
Yeah pretty sure they have and just a matter of club announcing officially. I reckon that should happen early next week
Hopefully otherwise it would be hilarious to see this fall apart
Speak for yourself on that
Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
What do you mean if this guy survives 6 months?
We're not hiring another interim manager.
And Moyes had a plan? That's news to me. If his plan was to turn us into Everton, then that counts I guess.
You raise legitimate concerns. I really think if this fails, it will be on the players
100% agree. That's what I am afraid of. We have some lazy player with great pr/influence, and fan will side with these player all the time over the manager.
I hope you are wrong too but I am pessimistic..
You are obviously wrong because there are zero similarities of our current situation to the Moyes era. Also, you are twice wrong if you believe that Moyes failed because "he tried to implement his plan" but ... players resented him. That's not what happened.
I think the fans are all behind the new manager and see him as someone who is going to take us back to our glory day. The PR students aren’t gonna work this time around.
The fact that after the interim he moves to a management role means that players will fall in line. If they don’t then they will be the first ones to be kicked out when he eventually joins the executive team.
Who moved the goal posts? Certainly not me as it’s my only post on the subject and it was a valid one, which you have sidestepped answering by mentioning something another poster said!
I believe this will be a great appointment for us!
Not only for the next 6 months to get a "playing style" within the team. But I think this will benefit us for the next years. To get the experience he has!
There will certainty be some players that will have problems with the style and press. But oh, man. I think Sancho will trive!
Wondering if we will announce him today before or after the match.
Not only for the next 6 months to get a "playing style" within the team. But I think this will benefit us for the next years. To get the experience he has!
There will certainty be some players that will have problems with the style and press. But oh, man. I think Sancho will trive!
Wondering if we will announce him today before or after the match.
You're going to announce this before the game today, to give the players a lift aren't you, you cheeky bastards.
No. We’ll announce it tomorrow to change the narrative and forget all about the 8-0 mauling
He didn't move goal posts, you just didn't read the conversation. If you read it, you will see why he posted the video.
I had no idea who he was until I read about him in forums here. But if Liverpool fans are worried about him as seen in RAWK and their official forums it means Man Utd have signed someone good. Finally a step in right direction.
If we are playing well by half-time, Rangnick will appear on the stands, at the same time when we dish out the official announcement on social media.
I didn’t suggest anyone moved the goal posts, maybe it’s you who should re-read the conversation!
This is a 60 page discussion, it’s easy to look back and find where discussions went off at tangents. It’s normal, happens all the time, and simply pointing it out instead of addressing the point looks like avoidance to me.
fecking hell, at least read the post he quoted instead of coming up with usual "what about Jose, everyone wanted him".
@UnitedSofa even gave the context.
An interesting comment: if Liverpool Chelsea are going this way and we are following, are we following to the toilet?
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I read the post he quoted, thanks. And I responded to his post. That’s how these long threads work. If someone had posted a thread purely about people wrongly thinking Rangnick has never been coveted by top clubs then you’d have a valid point. But they didn’t, and so you don’t.
I don’t know about you, but I’m happy to see the back of a lot of those players.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-experience-required-for-old-trafford-success
Cancel the contract. Merse isn't convinced.
Cancel the contract. Merse isn't convinced.
I can only see Pogba and Martial not fitting into this gegenpress so I don’t know what you’re talking about . We will manage fine without both
The scousers seem to be circling the wagons slating him which is a good sign they are worried about his appointment, there's none of the "please extend his contract" levels of high wit they aimed at Ole.
There are solid differences.
1. Moyes never achieved enough to have the right to want to do things his way right from the start. Rangnick has a solid trail of achievements for anyone to respect. He also has massive respect in the media and from fellow coaches. Most likely, the players do respect him and more importantly, can see that the team will improve if they comply.
2. The players were bigger than Moyes. Our current bunch are really a bunch of relative nobodies. Other than Ronaldo, Cavani, Pogba, Matic and De Gea, has any of them won anything of note?
3. Moyes was taking over from SAF and represented a leap backwards. Rangnick is taking over from Ole and represents a leap forward.
The fanbase and media will almost certainly turn on any recalcitrant players this time.
He's definitely managed Neuer; he might not have signed him, but he was Shalke's manager when we played them in the CL in 2011, in which Neuer played and was linked with a move here almost immediately after.
Back on topic; any sign of an official announcement from the club? Or do we think we're planning to wait until after the Chelsea game?
Feck me....you did move the goal posts......
Originally I responded to a post from Random Task saying that not many top clubs were lining up to bring him in....(see below)
I Posted a video from the Athletic proving that many clubs were after him in the past....2:45 seconds onwards David Ornstein (captioning as best I can):
"He was previously heavily linked with Chelsea, heavily sounded out by Chelsea on taking the job on an interim basis when Frank Lampard was sacked, but I don't think there were any assurances about staying on beyond that period in charge. Whereas Manchester United have clearly offered an enticing prospect for him"
Again at 6:00 onwards. David Ornstein (captioning as best I can)
"The information I have coming out of Old Trafford is that John Murtough was the driving force behind this appointment. Of course there was a number of candidates spoken to, but it seems that Ralf Rangnick has emerged head and shoulders above the rest and after a number of potential opportunities to join English clubs consideration, I wrote about it in The Athletic in 2018, he was on Arsenals shortlist, Tottenham have looked at him in the past, West Bromwich Albion have looked at him"
You said the below:
Henceforth you moving the goal posts....as you implied that 'it's not the same'.....so this I would assume that either you believed that the clubs weren't after him as a manager and rather as a board level position....or that just because they were after him, doesn't mean that he would be a success, which of course is true. But doesn't negate the fact that they were indeed after him.
So you did move the goal posts, I proved clubs were after him and after proving clubs were after him, you said yeah but that doesn't mean that he won't be successful. Again, this much is true, but we go from admittedly another poster parring him off as being a 'nobody' (because no top club has signed him) then proving that top clubs were after him, the goal posts were moved, because you changed the original point.
"No top clubs are after him" is totally different to "just because top clubs are after him doesn't mean he'll be successful"
But as @roonster09 stated, I did give context, I even quoted the original post when posting the video!
May not have been a thread but it was a post, again see below Random Task's post about not being coveted by a top club below:
So did you go back and read the original post I was quoting?
Originally I responded to a post from Random Task saying that not many top clubs were lining up to bring him in....(see below)
I Posted a video from the Athletic proving that many clubs were after him in the past....2:45 seconds onwards David Ornstein (captioning as best I can):
"He was previously heavily linked with Chelsea, heavily sounded out by Chelsea on taking the job on an interim basis when Frank Lampard was sacked, but I don't think there were any assurances about staying on beyond that period in charge. Whereas Manchester United have clearly offered an enticing prospect for him"
Again at 6:00 onwards. David Ornstein (captioning as best I can)
"The information I have coming out of Old Trafford is that John Murtough was the driving force behind this appointment. Of course there was a number of candidates spoken to, but it seems that Ralf Rangnick has emerged head and shoulders above the rest and after a number of potential opportunities to join English clubs consideration, I wrote about it in The Athletic in 2018, he was on Arsenals shortlist, Tottenham have looked at him in the past, West Bromwich Albion have looked at him"
You said the below:
Henceforth you moving the goal posts....as you implied that 'it's not the same'.....so this I would assume that either you believed that the clubs weren't after him as a manager and rather as a board level position....or that just because they were after him, doesn't mean that he would be a success, which of course is true. But doesn't negate the fact that they were indeed after him.
So you did move the goal posts, I proved clubs were after him and after proving clubs were after him, you said yeah but that doesn't mean that he won't be successful. Again, this much is true, but we go from admittedly another poster parring him off as being a 'nobody' (because no top club has signed him) then proving that top clubs were after him, the goal posts were moved, because you changed the original point.
"No top clubs are after him" is totally different to "just because top clubs are after him doesn't mean he'll be successful"
But as @roonster09 stated, I did give context, I even quoted the original post when posting the video!
May not have been a thread but it was a post, again see below Random Task's post about not being coveted by a top club below:
So did you go back and read the original post I was quoting?
Leave me out of this mess.
Why no announcement yet?
Dragging it out as usual. Why can't united move quickly about things like other clubs.
Brexit.
Work permits etc take some time, it is impossible to finalize this on the weekend.
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