Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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He has probably been out worst manager post SAF. Every other managers have had bright sides.

Even Moyes did better in the cups. The others reached finals and won things.

Rangnick got knocked out early in the cups and the league season been a disaster.

If you took a random guy on this forum in charge I think they could do better.
 
The circumstances surrounding his arrival haven't been ideal. Murtough inherited a bad situation from a board/manager led structure and had to make a decision on who to bring in and the candidates weren't exactly stellar. He opted for Rangnick and then we lost McKenna, Carrick and Pert, which meant Rangnick brought in Armas and Sharpe, who for me have been out of their depth at EPL level, and the below tweet sums the situation up regarding the preparation for games.




The appointed of Rangnick was initially good and brought hope to many fans but unfortunately the clip below sums up Rangnick's time as our interim manager.


 
Ralf Rangnick has failed as interim manager and the idea that he has overseen other decisions at the club in relation to staff or player departures is inaccurate. He had almost no say in the appointment of Ten Hag, he was told to concentrate on coaching the first team at an early stage in his tenure. He’ll become manager of Austria, the 34th ranked team in Europe. Whether his United consultancy becomes a meaningful one, as he hopes, is doubtful.

The players are also culpable. They let Ole Gunnar Solskjaer down in his final two months, but they’re also very frustrated by how they can’t speak out about Rangnick to answer some of the public criticisms he’s putting their way.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/spo...-hag-will-need-time-to-bring-back-glory-days/

Andy Mitten from the Leaks thread.
 
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They are really throwing RR to the Wolves, he's made poor decisions but he has a squad who are so disjointed and poisonous and it's clear to the players he had no power and he isn't a manager, he's a rebuilder/ advisor, there seems to be a real PR offensive from the club to downplay his ability for some reason, no doubt due to his honesty.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
They are really throwing RR to the Wolves, he's made poor decisions but he has a squad who are so disjointed and poisonous and it's clear to the players he had no power and he isn't a manager, he's a rebuilder/ advisor, there seems to be a real PR offensive from the club to downplay his ability for some reason, no doubt due to his honesty.
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A bit like how Ralf threw the club to the wolves, no?

If he can be praised for his 'honesty', I've got no problem at all with the club being honest in their assessment of him. There is nothing to downplay, he's overstated his importance from day 1 and I wouldn't be shocked if his consultancy role fails to commence.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
They are really throwing RR to the Wolves, he's made poor decisions but he has a squad who are so disjointed and poisonous and it's clear to the players he had no power and he isn't a manager, he's a rebuilder/ advisor, there seems to be a real PR offensive from the club to downplay his ability for some reason, no doubt due to his honesty.
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The problem for Ralf was though is that he was hired to be the manager. Whether or not he realized this is another matter, going off these reports the club had to specifically tell him to focus on the managers job.
 
El Jefe said:
A bit like how Ralf threw the club to the wolves, no?

If he can be praised for his 'honesty', I've got no problem at all with the club being honest in their assessment of him. There is nothing to downplay, he's overstated his importance from day 1 and I wouldn't be shocked if his consultancy role fails to commence.
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No, he didn't throw the club to the wolves at all, he's honest when answering questions with a view for transparency, these are leaked opinion pieces, it is very different and I don't understand how he has overstated his importance at all.
 
stevoc said:
The problem for Ralf was though is that he was hired to be the manager. Whether or not he realized this is another matter, going off these reports the club had to specifically tell him to focus on the managers job.
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Don't doubt that, I think it was very, get us through this season, step upstairs and help us take it forward but after hearing a lot of the recommendations such as rebuilding scouting/ negotiating/ coaches and the fact he's upset certain players with high profiles like Rashford which are high commodity assets, I don't think the board want to spend that kind of money/ time.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
He has probably been out worst manager post SAF. Every other managers have had bright sides.

Even Moyes did better in the cups. The others reached finals and won things.

Rangnick got knocked out early in the cups and the league season been a disaster.

If you took a random guy on this forum in charge I think they could do better.
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Ole is by far the worse in our recent history. A lengthy tenure with lots of money spent, trophyless and left a shambles of a team. Odd to blame the guy picking up his mess.

He's been a poor interim but he is just an interim so the obsession from some is strange. It's a wasted half season in many ways but at least its provided some separation for ETH coming in. Better that our new manager didn't have to start his tenure with that team and dressing room.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
They are really throwing RR to the Wolves, he's made poor decisions but he has a squad who are so disjointed and poisonous and it's clear to the players he had no power and he isn't a manager, he's a rebuilder/ advisor, there seems to be a real PR offensive from the club to downplay his ability for some reason, no doubt due to his honesty.
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This, he's gone from football expert to not even being able to win a game on football manager.

Even Ole seems to be held in higher regard
 
stevoc said:
The problem for Ralf was though is that he was hired to be the manager. Whether or not he realized this is another matter, going off these reports the club had to specifically tell him to focus on the managers job.
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He was hired as the interim manager till the end of season to steady the ship, with a view to a possible consultancy role afterwards, not during or before his first job as interim manager. He has failed dramatically as an interim manger, missed every target by a long way, and then just gone into self preservation its the players fault mode. The players that he was charged with at least getting some sort of level of performance out of them, which he has failed to do and rather than try something different he has just decided feck it under the bus they go, not my fault. Got to be one of the worst interim mangers ever surely.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
They are really throwing RR to the Wolves, he's made poor decisions but he has a squad who are so disjointed and poisonous and it's clear to the players he had no power and he isn't a manager, he's a rebuilder/ advisor, there seems to be a real PR offensive from the club to downplay his ability for some reason, no doubt due to his honesty.
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It's not as if RR didn't do this. He took 0 responsibility in last 6 months, complained about anything and everything.

Yes, we have poor team now and we have poor coach too. He has failed in his interim job. Hopefully his consultant role is worth it.
 
Longshanks said:
He was hired as the interim manager till the end of season to steady the ship, with a view to a possible consultancy role afterwards, not during or before his first job as interim manager. He has failed dramatically as an interim manger, missed every target by a long way, and then just gone into self preservation its the players fault mode. The players that he was charged with at least getting some sort of level of performance out of them, which he has failed to do and rather than try something different he has just decided feck it under the bus they go, not my fault. Got to be one of the worst interim mangers ever surely.
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Yep. And it's beyond comical how some people can't see this.

There's a weird QAnon-esque portion to the online fanbase where Ralf is basically Donald Trump exposing club corruption and fighting the establishment.
 
Anyone bashing rangnick over the players will also bash ten hag next season.

Mark thy words.
 
VidaRed said:
Anyone bashing rangnick over the players will also bash ten hag next season.

Mark thy words.
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If Ten Hag delivers a sub 40% win rate next season you're damn right I will.

Fortunately I don't think he will because he's actually a good manager with recent experience, not a jumped up consultant who fooled the morons who run our club into thinking he was fit to manager a team like Manchester United.
 
Ralf can be accurate in his assessment of thrones club and players, and still be a shit manager. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Players might be shit but he's a manager our of his depth, clear to see.
 
sugar_kane said:
If Ten Hag delivers a sub 40% win rate next season you're damn right I will.

Fortunately I don't think he will because he's actually a good manager with recent experience, not a jumped up consultant who fooled the morons who run our club into thinking he was fit to manager a team like Manchester United.
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Turd cannot be polished.

Support the manager in flushing turds instead of going through numerous managers trying to polish them.

Turd cannot be polished and we have quite a few turds.
 
VidaRed said:
Turd cannot be polished.

Support the manager in flushing turds instead of going through numerous managers trying to polish them.

Turd cannot be polished and we have quite a few turds.
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The club hierarchy should have recognised these players needed to go, not have to bring in someone in like Rangnick to tell them that - while also at the same time putting him in the manager position for six months which he is basically unqualified for, costing us top 4 and further destroying the dressing room.

Joke of an appointment.
 
sugar_kane said:
The club hierarchy should have recognised these players needed to go, not have to bring in someone in like Rangnick to tell them that - while also at the same time putting him in the manager position for six months which he is basically unqualified for, costing us top 4 and further destroying the dressing room.

Joke of an appointment.
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Rangnick has shaken things up and blown the lid off, if the board doesn't get rid of turds they'd have a revolt on there hands next season by the fans.

No more brushing it under the carpet.
 
VidaRed said:
Turd cannot be polished.

Support the manager in flushing turds instead of going through numerous managers trying to polish them.

Turd cannot be polished and we have quite a few turds.
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Ironic considering the interim managers job is to polish turds, he isnt the permanent manager nor is he the director of football, he isnt overseeing some great overhaul of the playing staff. His job was not to flush the turds as you so eloquently put it, it was quite literally to polish the turds, and there may be some truth in the fact that you can't polish a turd, but you can avoid mashing them into a great big shit sandwich and then serving it up with the excuse that some of these turds needs flushing and there is nothing more I can do.
 
VidaRed said:
Turd cannot be polished.

Support the manager in flushing turds instead of going through numerous managers trying to polish them.

Turd cannot be polished and we have quite a few turds.
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Ole must have been the next Fergie if he managed to get 2nd with a squad consisting entirely of turds.
 
VidaRed said:
Anyone bashing rangnick over the players will also bash ten hag next season.

Mark thy words.
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Contrary to some of our fans belief, I rate our players to be between 3rd and 5th.
Rangnick on the other hand is not even a top10 manager in the PL, he may well be the worst even.
ETH can't be worst than Ralf Rangnick that's for sure.
 
RacingClub said:
Ralf Rangnick has failed as interim manager and the idea that he has overseen other decisions at the club in relation to staff or player departures is inaccurate. He had almost no say in the appointment of Ten Hag, he was told to concentrate on coaching the first team at an early stage in his tenure. He’ll become manager of Austria, the 34th ranked team in Europe. Whether his United consultancy becomes a meaningful one, as he hopes, is doubtful.

The players are also culpable. They let Ole Gunnar Solskjaer down in his final two months, but they’re also very frustrated by how they can’t speak out about Rangnick to answer some of the public criticisms he’s putting their way.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/spo...-hag-will-need-time-to-bring-back-glory-days/

Andy Mitten from the Leaks thread.
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So this is the point that I have a real issue with when it comes to Ralf. Him sitting there and throwing everyone under the bus for poor performances is completely unnecessary, and the only thing it will achieve is a even more disjointed and unhappy dressing room.

There is no point what so ever to take these things public. It achieves absolutely nothing.
 
VidaRed said:
Anyone bashing rangnick over the players will also bash ten hag next season.

Mark thy words.
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Why is the nonsense repeated here?

Daft post that is repeated continuously with zero logic. If Ten Hag gets us playing his style but it becomes apparent the players aren't quite fit for the style we will back ETH, especially if there is progress. Just like Pep did in his first season, he wasn't great but you could see signs of a coherent system if he had the right pieces

If ETH comes in and we continuously look like a shitshow of course he will get his criticism which he will deserve. This is where Rangnick falls. He's been absolutely dreadful in terms of getting us to look like a team. We've looked worse than we did under Ole in my opinion.

The Rangnick crowd only think in absolutes. 'It's the players or the manager'.
 
Samid said:
3 more sleeps and he isn’t our problem anymore :drool:
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I fear it might not end there. We all know how much he loves being interviewed so could have a lot more shite to spout over the summer. I really hope Murtough and Arnold have it in his contract that he can't discuss the clubs matters as a consultant.

Even better would be if he just fecks off to Austria and has nothing to do with the club at all.
 
El Jefe said:
A bit like how Ralf threw the club to the wolves, no?

If he can be praised for his 'honesty', I've got no problem at all with the club being honest in their assessment of him. There is nothing to downplay, he's overstated his importance from day 1 and I wouldn't be shocked if his consultancy role fails to commence.
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If as you stated he threw the club to the wolves then he had permission from Arnold/Murtough or else he would of been out on his ear quick time.

How exactly has he overstated his importance from day 1?
 
VidaRed said:
Anyone bashing rangnick over the players will also bash ten hag next season.

Mark thy words.
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In some cases yes, on others no. I was willing to give Ragnick a chance to meet minimum expectations and he’s mainly failed. If Ten Hag fails to meet minimum expectations he will also fail. That’s how every successful club in the world operates btw! It’s just a small cult of Utd fans who don’t seem to understand that it’s the managers job to get the players performing.
 
El Jefe said:
Why is the nonsense repeated here?

Daft post that is repeated continuously with zero logic. If Ten Hag gets us playing his style but it becomes apparent the players aren't quite fit for the style we will back ETH, especially if there is progress. Just like Pep did in his first season, he wasn't great but you could see signs of a coherent system if he had the right pieces

If ETH comes in and we continuously look like a shitshow of course he will get his criticism which he will deserve. This is where Rangnick falls. He's been absolutely dreadful in terms of getting us to look like a team. We've looked worse than we did under Ole in my opinion.

The Rangnick crowd only think in absolutes. 'It's the players or the manager'.
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Don’t even bother. Some posters have tied themselves into to absolute pieces trying to absolve Ralf of any portion of the blame and are desperate to be correct that are players are all crap with no redeemable qualities.
 
Hansi Fick said:
This is also why I kept insisting on @glazed to specifically name names, to actually spell out all those players whom "Ralf has exposed" and who are supposed to be obvious, irredeemably bad apples responsible for the mess. Because the whole theory, this insane fan fiction construct of how Rangnick was hired to judge, sniff out and make a verdict about the players one by one, instead of doing a good managerial job, would collapse once a good part of them turns out to do an acceptable, motivated, or even good, job under the next manager.
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As I said you are missing the point. It's not about bad apples, it's about who can play in a high press system. Ralf won't be telling you and me, he will be telling ETH. So I can't provide a list except one of my own opinion which is mostly worthless in this context. We will just have to see what happens and who disappears from view.
 
glazed said:
As I said you are missing the point. It's not about bad apples, it's about who can play in a high press system. Ralf won't be telling you and me, he will be telling ETH. So I can't provide a list except one of my own opinion which is mostly worthless in this context. We will just have to see what happens and who disappears from view.
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So let's say.. Ronaldo. Ronaldo is always named as the prime example of a player who 'can't play in a high press system'.
What do you think, will he play a role for Ten Hag or not?
 
glazed said:
As I said you are missing the point. It's not about bad apples, it's about who can play in a high press system. Ralf won't be telling you and me, he will be telling ETH. So I can't provide a list except one of my own opinion which is mostly worthless in this context. We will just have to see what happens and who disappears from view.
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"Hi Erik, good to finally have you on board. Don't worry about assessing the players yourself, here is a report with the opinions of your predecessor who did a fecking terrible job"

*bin*
 
Hansi Fick said:
So let's say.. Ronaldo. Ronaldo is always named as the prime example of a player who 'can't play in a high press system'.
What do you think, will he play a role for Ten Hag or not?
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How should I know? I'm not an elite high press football coach. I'm describing the process I think is happening and will happen but we're on the outside so we can't know the detail until we see what ETH puts on the pitch over the course of next season. But I think it is the right process. We can well imagine that a player like DdG lacks the pressing skills to be retained for long but it's what ETH thinks that matters, not what I think.
 
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