Certainly, his football was fecking boring but there was no doubt he managed to implement his style of play eventually.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Stop watching ESPN if you are looking for informations.
After the last few years of lord knows what going on in training, might be good to have a micromanager making sure the training sessions are just as important as matches
I really want us to modernise our infrastructure. Our recruitment of players in smaller leagues who have major potential as part of a system is still way off. We have the money and pulling power to be right at the cutting edge of football if we are run correctly to take advantage of that. There is no United way. The United way is to be the best and develop the most exciting young players. That’s it. Pressing is modern football and it’s about time we got with it and If football changes again I hope we are right there ready to move with it because that’s what we are up against.
Van Gaal was bad. Without the likes of Rooney and Lingard, he would have lost the FA cup as well. Under him, club was usually out of top 3.
This could very well be the case that he rubs the players to the wrong way and we see leaks in the media etc as we have done regularly.
However this time it seems that the (entire??) fan base has had enough of the shit that the players have been delivering. That alone I think will give this guy the foundation to do what he needs to do.
It finally feels like we've got someone capable of a cultural reboot in the club and I'm convinced that he'll be supported to do it.
So who invented it?
I'm super excited about this signing, but I don't know why I'm getting the same vibes as Van Gaal that wanted to plant some trees around the training ground to stop the wind.
Ukrainians? Hungarians? Brazilians? The Dutch? Sacchi? Who knows. I'm just fairly certain it wasn't Rangnick.
Oh shit have we hired Alan Partridge by accident? Or some European surrealist? Is Bodger still available..?
A key bit from the Athletic article which hopefully points the direction we are going in:
The article goes on to explain that Ragnick will serve as an advisor and mentor to Murtough, once his management stint is up. Murtough spent eight hours with him back in August 2019 seeing the inner workings of Redbull, of which Ragnick built their football operations from the ground up from 2009. Taking RB Leipzig from the 4th to CL regulars.
Furthermore, Nick Cox - the academy head - is close to Murtough, and there is a natural synergy with Ragnick’s youth development strategy. Apparently, Ragnick is familiar, and holds in high regard, Andrew Meredith - United’s new (PhD) head of Analysis Operations - from his time with St. Pauli in Germany. To bolster that team, Ragnick will be bringing a second backroom team member, in addition to his assistant, a video analysis specialist. A position United had been looking to add anyway under the recommendation of Meredith. Furthermore, David Horrocks, United’s head of research and Development has spent time at Redbull providing detailed reports on their operations and is another familiar with, and in sync with, Ragnick.
Ragnick is keeping the existing coaching staff for continuity, and is going to be assessing their coaching and managerial credentials. His methodology is to train all coaching staff to coach to the same systems, and methodology, while allowing fluidity in tactics. The ultimate goal is to create a conveyer belt of managerial talent that can step up to first team level, even the head coach job as required. Just as he has done at Redbull. It is the perfect personification of the overused word “philosophy”. Whereby, even if the tactics change, and managers change, the systems and methodology remain consistent.
Within the club, and by Murtough himself, there is the recognition that maybe Murtough currently lacks the clout for a fully fledged sporting director role. The goal, by working closely with Ragnick for the next two and a half years, is that he will gain that. Ragnick has also already spoken with Fletcher about their shared football ideologies.
I have added one or two additional details from a German football podcast, but the bulk is from the Athletic. The final detail is that Ragnick will be heavily involved in player recruitment - specifically identification using a data driven approach - as well as in the appointment of a new permanent manager.
The article goes on to explain that Ragnick will serve as an advisor and mentor to Murtough, once his management stint is up. Murtough spent eight hours with him back in August 2019 seeing the inner workings of Redbull, of which Ragnick built their football operations from the ground up from 2009. Taking RB Leipzig from the 4th to CL regulars.
Furthermore, Nick Cox - the academy head - is close to Murtough, and there is a natural synergy with Ragnick’s youth development strategy. Apparently, Ragnick is familiar, and holds in high regard, Andrew Meredith - United’s new (PhD) head of Analysis Operations - from his time with St. Pauli in Germany. To bolster that team, Ragnick will be bringing a second backroom team member, in addition to his assistant, a video analysis specialist. A position United had been looking to add anyway under the recommendation of Meredith. Furthermore, David Horrocks, United’s head of research and Development has spent time at Redbull providing detailed reports on their operations and is another familiar with, and in sync with, Ragnick.
Ragnick is keeping the existing coaching staff for continuity, and is going to be assessing their coaching and managerial credentials. His methodology is to train all coaching staff to coach to the same systems, and methodology, while allowing fluidity in tactics. The ultimate goal is to create a conveyer belt of managerial talent that can step up to first team level, even the head coach job as required. Just as he has done at Redbull. It is the perfect personification of the overused word “philosophy”. Whereby, even if the tactics change, and managers change, the systems and methodology remain consistent.
Within the club, and by Murtough himself, there is the recognition that maybe Murtough currently lacks the clout for a fully fledged sporting director role. The goal, by working closely with Ragnick for the next two and a half years, is that he will gain that. Ragnick has also already spoken with Fletcher about their shared football ideologies.
I have added one or two additional details from a German football podcast, but the bulk is from the Athletic. The final detail is that Ragnick will be heavily involved in player recruitment - specifically identification using a data driven approach - as well as in the appointment of a new permanent manager.
From a tactical and coaching side of things we were the best under him since Fergie. Just that he had outdated and boring ideas but we sure wereba well drilled side.
Could almost be the consultant
BTW, should mention the bloke was an absolute cnut! Sent us 50yr old fat cnuts (me) on a team building course, scaling rope bridges and climbing fecking telegraph poles ….git!
He had a great record against the top 6 teams as well, we just always struggled at breaking down the mid to lower table sides
I’m super excited by Rangnick coming in but my biggest fear is we will never see the high intensity pressing play succeed for us due to time. When you look at how long it took pep/Klopp to implement their styles it’s worrying Rangnick will only get 6 months in the hot seat. Then the pressure is on to hire a coach that can continue it on. I’d love to see United progress into a successful high pressing team but are we willing to develop it over time and stick with it through hard times. It may be long after Rangnick before we thrive from that style.
Giving me squid game vibes
Yeah, I didn’t really see that. Is RR willing to sit Ronaldo to get the team to buy in? Realistically, everybody except Lukaku is supposed to buy in on counter pressing. I really think that Lukaku feels he is, when everyone knows he isn’t.
Ragnick is more than just a coach though. He is a hugely pragmatic and specialised operations manager. He built Redbull’s football operations - across multiple clubs - from the ground up. Taking RB Leipzig from the 4th tier to CL regulars. He leaves a huge legacy wherever he goes that endures way beyond his tenure. That, tbh, is much much more impressive to me. His impact at United will be felt over the next decade, not the next six months.
Dont think Ronaldo will work as hard as Bruno but I think he will improve. Will be interesting to see how it develops, we have big enough squad to rotate, especially in the attack.
If the objective according to Rangnick is to win the ball back in 8 seconds and then have a shot on goal within 10 seconds, Ronaldo will sign up for the 2nd part even if he has to do the first.
This is why ESPN have are a joke really, their pundits have no clue.
Ronaldo has been a top player for years and has worked under numerous managers.
Bruno, if you watch his game, actually loves to press, everytime he loses the ball or ball is lost he runs to the ball to try win it back, unfortunately, under Ole he was doing it alone.
Now with a coached press, he will be pressing with others, I see Bruno going up levels.
Apparently he won't be in charge for the match against Arsenal and Crystal Palace will be his first game.
Generally true but I'd be more cautious with those predictions. His job at United is of a completely different nature. He built Leipzig and Hoffenheim from scratch. At United he's in a completely different situation. Change management and transformation is an entirely different discipline.
If he is anything like Bielsa then he is also a teacher and someone that could be miserable in a role that focuses on immediate results.
I know absolutely nothing about him but can someone tell me -
Is he a bit old-school?
I say this only because he is 63 or something, and the football he has coached has not exactly been something new is it? - when Tuchels, Klopps, Nagelsmann and Pochettino's are playing his types of football but maybe being the more modern version.
I don't really care because ultimately our coaching was shit anyway so it should help improve us, but it's a bit of a question I want to ask.
Are we getting Cryuff/LVG/ Biesla or are we getting Pep?
Is he a bit old-school?
I say this only because he is 63 or something, and the football he has coached has not exactly been something new is it? - when Tuchels, Klopps, Nagelsmann and Pochettino's are playing his types of football but maybe being the more modern version.
I don't really care because ultimately our coaching was shit anyway so it should help improve us, but it's a bit of a question I want to ask.
Are we getting Cryuff/LVG/ Biesla or are we getting Pep?
Valeriy Lobanovskyi surely?
Oh I know. I wrote my dissertation on Change Management, haha. But it nevertheless points to his expertise in operations and his track record in establishing operational excellence. I cannot speak to his change management abilities but given his existing relationships within United, Murtough and Meredith, and the apparent organisational buy in to a change management project, there are reasons for optimism.
Nothing like a no-nonsense older German to clear out the mess left behind by Ole. I'm excited about the appointment, but I'm not expecting any quick fixes.
Bruno presses a shit ton, he won't struggle
Klopp, Tuchel, and a few others are taking his principles and using them. The only old school thing about him is he seems very rigid in how he wants things implemented. Klopp and Tuchel adjust what they learned from him.
Absolutely. Rangnick definitely is more of a long term guy. Not many professional coaches at the peak of their career are willing to join an amateur club to build it up from scratch. This is a wholly new situation for him.
I agree with that. That's the first big decision of United as a club that I feel points in the right direction and might actually be made with a long term concept in mind.
ESPN are a terrible panel. Almost all of them are duds.
This sounds like a great plan, I hope we'll be able to implement it. Reading this, it is obvious that our team lacks people with experience on many positions, not just a manager... the whole organization needs some top level people.
I seem to recall Fergie used some variant of that in training -- practicing the last mins of a game when a goal is needed. Some player's bio talked about it and gave the impression that this built confidence in them that they could manage those minutes to engineer one more chance.
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