Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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VP89 said:
Hope that was sarcasm
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That you’ve had to ask brought me both great sadness and joy.

How fecking dare he even consider not spending every waking moment at Carrington, if he has the AUDACITY to think of his own career and not spend every other FECKING day outside of those 6 days he’s consulting working off the books for us. I will blow my top! I am incredulous, seething and STUNNED.
 
Should never have got rid of Ole for him, everyone having a wankfest over him when he came in and that first press conference yet he’s done terrible, failed in getting top four and now going to manage else where, heart was never in it and he wasn’t good enough to turn things around.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Should never have got rid of Ole for him, everyone having a wankfest over him when he came in and that first press conference yet he’s done terrible, failed in getting top four and now going to manage else where, heart was never in it and he wasn’t good enough to turn things around.
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So, what, we should have continued on with Ole? It was becoming toxic and untenable there's no way we could have continued
 
L1nk said:
So, what, we should have continued on with Ole? It was becoming toxic and untenable there's no way we could have continued
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The online fan base became toxic yeah, we had a terrible run and shocking results. The second half of the season has been just as bad
 
el3mel said:
Both are awful coaches. Not like anyone of both were world beaters anyway.
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They weren't world beaters but neither were awful coaches. I'm by no means an Ole fan but even I can see through the bias, and Ragnick clearly is a decent coach. Either way back on topic, the reality is how the season has played out there probably arn't that many people better than Rangnick who has had half a seson with the squad to go upstairs and provide help during this rebuild.
 
flameinthesun said:
They weren't world beaters but neither were awful coaches. I'm by no means an Ole fan but even I can see through the bias, and Ragnick clearly is a decent coach. Either way back on topic, the reality is how the season has played out there probably arn't that many people better than Rangnick who has had half a seson with the squad to go upstairs and provide help during this rebuild.
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Plus he has called these players out. No one else is going to do it. Now because of his calling out there are many changes going on.
It looks like he has called most players for not making an effort and not following his instructions.
He is exactly what we needed for this change. The fact he didn't make the CL spot is only the downside. The positives outweigh the negatives.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That you’ve had to ask brought me both great sadness and joy.

How fecking dare he even consider not spending every waking moment at Carrington, if he has the AUDACITY to think of his own career and not spend every other FECKING day outside of those 6 days he’s consulting working off the books for us. I will blow my top! I am incredulous, seething and STUNNED.
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You are my friend
 
DSG said:
That’s a joke. Seriously. We have almost double the revenue of Dortmund. They bring in young talent, true, but they sell them for a profit so they can balance the books on while they waste money on Hummels, Reus and Witsel. Combine that with the fact that they’ll never win the CL.

If anything, we should be following a Real/ Chelsea model of buying lots of young players with promise as well as strategic buys of players in their prime in certain positions to reel in silverware.
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Obviously Dortmund from a marketability standpoint are way behind United, but one can't argue against how effective they've been in the recruiting department. Top to bottom they are run very efficiently and their academy structure is pretty extensive.

United need to focus on getting infrastructure and recruitment right before eying bigger things like contending for the league or having success in CL.
 
VanHaal'sRedArmy said:
Obviously Dortmund from a marketability standpoint are way behind United, but one can't argue against how effective they've been in the recruiting department. Top to bottom they are run very efficiently and their academy structure is pretty extensive.

United need to focus on getting infrastructure and recruitment right before eying bigger things like contending for the league or having success in CL.
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Meh. For every 25m for a Bellingham, they spend 25m for an Emre Can.
Schulz, Brandt, Alcacer, Marius Wolf, Yarmolenko, Philipp, Toprak, Schürrle, the list of recent, often expensive, transfer flops by BVB is actually rather long.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Meh. For every 25m for a Bellingham, they spend 25m for an Emre Can.
Schulz, Brandt, Alcacer, Marius Wolf, Yarmolenko, Philipp, Toprak, Schürrle, the list of recent, often expensive, transfer flops by BVB is actually rather long.
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True. But at least they move players on without affecting their bottom line and use that money to reinvest - something we couldn't seem to get right with the old regime in charge (Woody and Judge)
 
RedPed said:
There's the multiverse and you must be in an alternate one f you really believe that. Worst points total in the PL era? And worst win rate post Fergie. Facts don't lie.
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Oh we talking facts now, ok, lets do it then, you are comparing tenure of a guy who wasted 3 years of our lifes and 300 plus mil on a squad, squad thats wasnt coached, squad thats so unfit that guy after him couldnt use them to press more than 22 min, squad thats most desliked in United history vs a interim that couldnt get any bodies in during a transfer window, that didnt have any time early on, on training pitch (no preason as a bonus), squad that knew he wont be there for longer then few months, that started crying because he wanted them train more etc.

RR failed big time in one of two ways but Ole sent us in stone age with his stint, so whole win rate % and similar shit means feck all. Facts dont lie indeed.
 
Hester_manc said:
How people behave like you online is a mystery to me. I'll never understand, and I would doubt you dared it to my face.

But I degrade myself to answer anyway. Because of course it makes sense to compare Rangnick and Solskjær. In fact, several journalists have already done so. It turns out that the 2 managers have scored almost as many (or few) points (in average) this season for United. One can then try to compare the attitude of the players under the 2 managers. In the first half of the season under Solskjær, attitude was probably ok. The players struggled and tried - they had just gotten a 2nd place last season. Eventually the faith in Solskjær disappeared and we suffered embarrassing defeats. Then Rangnick came to the club and the attitude of the players got better, but only for a very short period of time. And now it is at zero and it has never been lower. So who has done worse of the two is a matter of view.

So "yes", you can easily compare the 2 managers and their results. No problem with that actually.

By the way, learn some courtesy and be more constructive. It will benefit yourself and this forum.
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Now thats funny, sorry Rambo.

Regarding everything else, you comparing a manager of few years of team building vs some not good enough interim who couldnt get a single body in, that had to deal with most desliked, uncoached and unfit bunch thanks to previous guy. Take care.
 
His consultancy role is bearing fruits finally. That's some open heart surgery he did on the backroom staff. I am sure the playing staff will be next. Hopefully Murtough, Arnold and co.will keep him on, continue heeding his input and carrying out his advices towards the big rebuild.
 
Obviously the results on the pitch have been awful, but he's been right about the structural problems and we're moving the deadwood finally.

It's been brutal to watch, but I think in the longer term he'll be viewed as positive for the club
 
El Jefe said:
People still parroting this bollocks. How can a team that was still in the CL, FA cup and in the race for top 4 check out?

If anything when Carrick came in you could see the team was hungry, which continued early into Rangnick's reign.

Many of you have your heads in the sand but Rangnick was incapable of galvanising the dressing room and he played a big part in that, he's an atrocious man manager.
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Wow. So what give it to Carrick till the end of the season? Be real. This club needs a revamp and a direction. And we hired the right guy, yes he might not be the dream manager who will resurrect our season but nobody could have done that.
 
Jeffchin said:
His consultancy role is bearing fruits finally. That's some open heart surgery he did on the backroom staff. I am sure the playing staff will be next. Hopefully Murtough, Arnold and co.will keep him on, continue heeding his input and carrying out his advices towards the big rebuild.
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He is not a consultant yet, just a failed coach.

Rangnick cultists are such a bizarre lot.
 
Freak said:
Yup he might not be a good manager but he’s been such an influence over the backroom and structure rebuild so far. Obviously Murtough heads that area but I’m sure Ralf’s have had an influence over this.
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Oh you are sure, aren't you?. That settles it. Murtough is useless.

Rangnick cultists!
 
adkb said:
Wow. So what give it to Carrick till the end of the season? Be real. This club needs a revamp and a direction. And we hired the right guy, yes he might not be the dream manager who will resurrect our season but nobody could have done that.
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Of course they could have. Quite easily in fact :lol:
 
This thing of putting everything off the pitch down to Ralf but nothing on the pitch being his fault is bizarre.
 
Leftback99 said:
This thing of putting everything off the pitch down to Ralf but nothing on the pitch being his fault is bizarre.
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It is kinda wild to see from an outsider's point of view. He's done awfully and is getting a complete pass from a lot of fans because of their dislike of the players.

Obviously this being your worst Premier League season ever isn't all his fault but he's been in charge for a decent chunk of it and hasn't been able to steady the ship at all.
 
duffer said:
It is kinda wild to see from an outsider's point of view. He's done awfully and is getting a complete pass from a lot of fans because of their dislike of the players.

Obviously this being your worst Premier League season ever isn't all his fault but he's been in charge for a decent chunk of it and hasn't been able to steady the ship at all.
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I bet it is. We'd find it hilarious if it was one of our rivals.
 
duffer said:
It is kinda wild to see from an outsider's point of view. He's done awfully and is getting a complete pass from a lot of fans because of their dislike of the players.

Obviously this being your worst Premier League season ever isn't all his fault but he's been in charge for a decent chunk of it and hasn't been able to steady the ship at all.
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And they liked those same players a year ago. It feels like they have to hate the players to absolve RR. But it's getting ridiculous now...
 
El Jefe said:
People still parroting this bollocks. How can a team that was still in the CL, FA cup and in the race for top 4 check out?

If anything when Carrick came in you could see the team was hungry, which continued early into Rangnick's reign.

Many of you have your heads in the sand but Rangnick was incapable of galvanising the dressing room and he played a big part in that, he's an atrocious man manager.
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Yes that game at Norwich away was one hungry performance

What are you on about?
 
duffer said:
It is kinda wild to see from an outsider's point of view. He's done awfully and is getting a complete pass from a lot of fans because of their dislike of the players.

Obviously this being your worst Premier League season ever isn't all his fault but he's been in charge for a decent chunk of it and hasn't been able to steady the ship at all.
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It’s those that were adamant all our previous woes we’re due to rubbish coaches and no tactics. Struggling to come to terms with the original German hipster tactician doing a really shit job.
 
I mean we don’t know the full extent of his influence in all of these changes but we do know this;

1) He’s held in high regard by Murtough who visited him some time ago to learn from him.

2) The club didn’t just bring him in as an interim manager they brought him with a prolonged consultancy contract attached afterwards.

3) He was never intended to stay as a coach

Now when you look at all of the changes that have been happening behind the scenes, and there’s been a lot, along with much of what RR has been saying to the press, I think it’s quite obvious he’s had some involvement in this. To what extent no body knows but I suspect at least as a soundboard to Murtough and someone who can offer advice along with first hand experience in dealing with the club and current culture within the squad.

Would we have got this with another interim? Likely not. They could have got us top 4 and then there would have been the murmurs of an extended contract (the same mistake we make with Ole - papering over cracks). They would have also been at the club in the short term and and likely not happy to go without a January window of spending and playing second fiddle whilst we actively searched for our next real deal coach.

Its been a tough decision for the club but irrespective of results I think they’ve made the right one for the long term. Ultimately we’ve all been complaining about the short term decision making and utter lack of planning at United for many years now so this has certainly bucked the trend. We are also seeing major surgery in the structure and set up before the end of the season and in preparation for the new manager and his staff. Again much more organised and driven to help EtH hit the ground running.

Bar the turbulence on field at the moment everything else does feel like it’s coming together.
 
devips said:
He is not a consultant yet, just a failed coach.

Rangnick cultists are such a bizarre lot.
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How so? It is blatantly obvious what he has done, and that it is for the better. Ole has some results yes, but it was on the back of the players turning up and seeing if they can work some magic, meanwhile the club was moving backwards. Ragnick is very good at what he does, and given a clean start and the tools he delivers, he identified exactly what the issues were and he called them. The bluffers that we have at this club obviously did not like this and instructed their agents and PR people to spin it however they could. They played it well as people were then pointing the finger at RR citing his lack of recent management as the reason for performance on the pitch. This lot are absolute cowards and bluffers, and self preservation is their only concern. This club had stagnated prior to SAF leaving as his success papered over the cracks, our scouting network (do we have one ) is embarrassing and our training methods have declined since RM left. This club needed ripping up root and branch, RR allows what is required as do most of the fanbase (those with a semblance of intellect do anyway) and sadly most of the 300 million pound outlay which was meant to propel us forward will be part of that clear out. We are not Ragnick cultists we just see what he was and is doing, and that he has a clear vision on how to get us back where we should be.
 
Zen86 said:
It’s those that were adamant all our previous woes we’re due to rubbish coaches and no tactics. Struggling to come to terms with the original German hipster tactician doing a really shit job.
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Ole absolutely wasn't good enough and change was needed. Getting an interim is always risky business, and it simply hasn't worked with Ralf. The season has been a total and utter shit-show, and I've totally lost interest.

But, so-be-it: There's a totally new manager; new coaching team; new structural changes; new players etc, going to be in place for next season. I can't fathom how people aren't excited about the future, I really can't. All this dwelling on Ralf as a way to absolve Ole is bizarre. Yes, Ralf has been shite, but things have been against him from the get-go. He has 4 games left in the dugout and then he's gone; the outrage just seems weird. If he were getting the fulltime gig, I wouldn't be impressed. But he's not, and the club looks as though it's moving forward.

Another season of top-four under Ole followed by another 3-trophyless-years, while we fell further behind our rivals, is nightmare fuel. The only people benefitting from Ole's tenure were the Board. They knew he was nowhere near good enough, but the fans clapped along and they could bury their head in the sand about the major surgery that was required at the club. Ralf failing in no way vindicates Ole. Ole had 3 full years here and a shit tonne of cash, and failed. That's on him, and no one else. It's also on the Board for taking the easy way out by hiring the totally under-qualified interim, to get the fans onside. Under-qualified Interims have often gotten a job off the back of a good new manager bounce. Has it ever ended in anything but disaster? None that I can think of.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Ole absolutely wasn't good enough and change was needed. Getting an interim is always risky business, and it simply hasn't worked with Ralf. The season has been a total and utter shit-show, and I've totally lost interest.

But, so-be-it: There's a totally new manager; new coaching team; new structural changes; new players etc, going to be in place for next season. I can't fathom how people aren't excited about the future, I really can't. All this dwelling on Ralf as a way to absolve Ole is bizarre. Yes, Ralf has been shite, but things have been against him from the get-go. He has 4 games left in the dugout and then he's gone; the outrage just seems weird. If he were getting the fulltime gig, I wouldn't be impressed. But he's not, and the club looks as though it's moving forward.

Another season of top-four under Ole followed by another 3-trophyless-years, while we fell further behind our rivals, is nightmare fuel. The only people benefitting from Ole's tenure were the Board. They knew he was nowhere near good enough, but the fans clapped along and they could bury their head in the sand about the major surgery that was required at the club. Ralf failing in no way vindicates Ole. Ole had 3 full years here and a shit tonne of cash, and failed. That's on him, and no one else. It's also on the Board for taking the easy way out by hiring the totally under-qualified interim, to get the fans onside. Under-qualified Interims have often gotten a job off the back of a good new manager bounce. Has it ever ended in anything but disaster? None that I can think of.
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I’m looking forward to having a proper manager next season. I’m just calling a spade, a spade. Or in this case, a rubbish manager as a rubbish manager. No amount of Ole finger pointing is going to change that. The number of excuses for this guy is comical, even your post is yet another veiled “yeah but ole..” type post, as most of yours tend to be.
 
DSG said:
Well it’s hard following the greatest manager ever. You have to have a world class organization, and the Glazers are a train wreck. I’ve said many times that the Glazers are the problem, there is no leadership. SAF provided that… maybe Ten Hag will, God I hope so. Jose did, but the game had changed so much his tactics weren’t good enough.

To me, Rangnick is just another mistake in a long string of mistakes post SAF. These decisions are ultimately made by the Glazers, so they carry a lot of the blame. But the Glazers are like the village idiot — they are stupid, impulsive, live in the now and aren’t strategic. Blaming them is difficult because they’ll never learn from their mistakes.
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I feel Rangnick was the first step in the right direction after a long string of mistakes, if he had actually got United into the top 4 like the owners wanted nothing would change with the team and the owners might have given Rangnick even more time, now Erik ten Hag comes in and Rangnick can advise him on which players aren't putting in their 100%, who isn't good enough, etc and ETH seems like someone who isn't going to bend to the player's or owner's whims.
 
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