Form exists in football, teams don't hold a constant ppg over the course of a season. ppg as a rolling average can vary quite a bit. So if you're intentionally picking a period of bad form (form so bad it got the manager fired) and comparing it to another period, it would be very strange if the 2nd period didn't have a larger average ppg.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Those who talk about other managers being disingenuous. United always wanted an interim manager after what happened with the Ole fiasco.
So they tried to get someone who would do 6 months only with no transfer budget.
None of the above mentioned was willing to do that.
So they tried to get someone who would do 6 months only with no transfer budget.
None of the above mentioned was willing to do that.
Possibly, yes. Probably a ‘glass half- full’ perspective from me….
Just pointing out, though, that none of knows.
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I actually agree with a lot of this. Losing Pogba, Martial and Lingard would do quite a bit to change the atmosphere. To me, Maguire and Rashford have performed before, so I believe they deserve a bit of time under a new manager. I agree that Maguire should not be the captain.
I believe that ETH will come in with a very defined tactical philosophy and he will be quite specific on each player’s responsibilities in each position. I do think we have a pretty good shot at top4 depending on our incoming players.
Sorry misread that but why is that relevant?
I'm not intentionally picking a period of bad form, it is the only period I can choose from this season. My point is people, many from what I can see on here, are saying things have gotten worse but they haven't. They are still shit but they are less shit now.
If some posters don't like his directness in interviews I can understand the arguments for and against that, then again he's an interim so it hardly matters, but I don't understand this weird storyline of how Ole was doing badly but Ralf has come in and made it even worse. This season just needs to end pronto and the bad eggs turfed out.
He wasnt brought in to reset the squad and have them play a modern brand of football before consulting on a restructure and overhaul?
You should follow the club a bit better if you think otherwise. He wasn't brought in as some new manager bounce sole remit. You should not compare him to some Benitez or Alardyce sort of expected impact. His work takes time and buying into. Everyone knew that, and we hired him for wider reasons than these 4 months.
How could anyone forget we're just as bad now, arguably worse as our win ratio has decreased.
The players didn't even respect Ole, a manager who was supportive of them and never threw them under the bus. Respect is earned but some players/workers are just dickheads that they refuse to respect anyone that doesn't fit what they want which is childish. They prioritize personal matters over professionality at work when they get paid to be professional and do their work. If they don't like their boss, leave. Maybe they are unsure that they can find a better club or the same pay? that's why they stick around? very good players would have just fecked off if they don't like the manager knowing they can get a better deal elsewhere. Pogba and his agent had been going at it for ages but really there were never any concrete news/offers. Maybe it's just not worth to pay his wages + transfer fee so clubs would rather wait. That is just one example and I'd say Pogba is a way better player than most in the squad.
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Steady on.
I personally think that he'll be fired within 3 years of his arrival. But we have to give him a chance as we have no other options.
Basically, Ralf R is saying that we need a complete and total reset.
I agree with what he is saying. Unfortunately, I don't think our board will follow his recommendations.
Complete nonsense!
I am with Rangnick. Our players are mostly toxic/hopeless and can't be coached to play in any coherent system. We should aim for complete overhaul in the span of next few windows.
I mean, over major 100 trophies with 13 different players vs one German Cup by Ralf Rangnick… ? Do you even know what a professional dressing room is like mate?
Sorry, I just had to.
You think it's better now? lower win ratio, lower goals scored, out of all comps in March, manager and players washing dirty linen in the public, yet somehow you think we are better? we are fast becoming joke mate! look i dont hate RR, but you need to take your tinted glass off for sec when it comes to assess him.
Is what most of your posts are, yes.
Ralf was brought in to win AFCON and has failed spectacularly at it.
Can you provide any evidence of this?
Well, the fact that he's been given the role on an interim basis and then a two year consultancy role, which could end up a more prominent role yet?
Are the players thick? There was no secret Ralf was staying as a consultant so why disrespect him? Or maybe their over inflated egos thought they had more power than him.
Hes given a 2 year consultancy role after his 6 month interim. You tell me what remit holds greater weight.
Extreme crap. All his statements at the beginning of his unfortunate stint are in opposition to that naive belief. Even, you, the ultimate Ralf fanboy, held onto that great myth of Ralf the fantastic manager,
For the simple fact we’d be on level points with Wolves versus where we are now. As said, I’m not arguing Ragnick is good, I’m pointing out how terrible we were.
If you were offered a higher points total or a higher win rate at the start of the season, which would you choose?
What on earth are you talking about? Genuine question.
Nice try at evasion!
I hope your right. For me, the board haven't earnt my trust yet. As soon as the board earn my trust I would feel more confident about your viewpoint.
He was brought in to steady the ship, instead he burnt the whole ship while completely neglecting even an ounce of responsibility. You think the Glazers told him to kick 10 players out of club at once? the greedy parasite Glazers would want evolution not revolution because it would cost them less.
That is not a fact, that is an assumption. The fact is when RR took over we were only 3 points off Top 4 and were about to face lower half table clubs, fast forward to the end of April we are 6 points off Top 4 with only 2 wins in last 2 months. Let's face it RR tenure as manager has been nothing but disaster, he was brought in to steady the ship and assess the players instead he burnt the whole ship down. Let's just hope his tenure as consultant will fare better cause that is where he's good at.
It was reported in various media that United wanted to hire Rangnick as interim when they were considering firing Ole. The job was interim manager. Rangnick was the one who wanted more than interim. This is unsurprising: he's not a professional manager anymore, he runs a consulting company instead, and he had a contract to consult for Lokomotiv which he'd need to drop in order to join United. After looking at various candidates (normal manager types like Ernesto Valverde), United eventually relented and offered him the two-year consultancy. Again, this was reported before and after Ole was fired, from both sides (sources at United, sources close to Rangnick).
When Rangnick was hired, the statement put out by United said that his goal was to have a "successful season." He later explained in an interview that this meant hopefully qualifying for the CL and advancing in the competitions that United were in, like the FA Cup and CL. This is the typical responsibility of an interim manager.
He also said that "the reason the club contacted me in November was the fact we conceded too many goals too easily. We reduced the number of goals conceded but the way we defend is still not standard we need in order to be a top-four club." Becoming more defensively solid is basic, bog-standard 'interim manager' responsibility, it has nothing to do with playing a modern brand of football.
In February, Rangnick was saying "right now, I think we are focused on winning those games and it doesn’t make sense to speak about any things that have to be done in the summer. 'With regards to getting the right players or doing some changes inside the squad, my full focus is on developing the team's performances and hopefully winning as many games as we can."
Sky Sports reported in March that United had not even defined Rangnick's future role yet, because they "took the decision to put strategic planning on hold to allow Rangnick full focus on trying to salvage the season through coaching." The same article says that "the notion Rangnick could operate as a loose version of a sporting director, helping John Murtough and Darren Fletcher knit a solid strategy behind the scenes, has been labelled 'hugely unlikely.' Sources have intimated his role in all probability will be centered around sharing insights on innovation, scouting and linking the club with bright football minds rather than fundamentally altering their set-up."
All of that contradicts the idea that he was brought in to "change into a modern brand of football and restructure and overhaul the setup."
It's all very obvious. You don't hire someone to manage for six months if their job if "their work takes time and buying into." Ten Hag does not have the same ideas and neither does Pochettino, the original first choice. There is not that much continuity there other than some vague notion of "being modern."
Yeah a role on a 2 year contract he made a condition for leaving his 2.5 year contract at Lokomotiv and taking the interim job. So if it was his idea and not United's then was/is that really United's plan and will the role even be significant?
If the higher win ratio meant we potentially won 1 or 2 cups then the win ratio.
It's obvious why the cup matches are being ignored here and it's because our PPG has been slightly higher in the league. Yes our PPG under Ralf is slightly higher than the form that got Solskjaer sacked but it's also came in more games and in more games against the bottom half sides. That and slightly higher xg are the only tangible positives of his reign that don't involve his potential future role or entertaining press conferences.
Now us being so awful under Ralf isn't all his fault and probably not even mostly his fault. But there's nothing to lose in admitting we've been just as atrocious under Ralf as we were under Ole this season.
The 'consultancy role' could well be nothing at all yet. He was brought in to get results this season and he's failed miserably.
That's always been the biggest concern here. It's very easy to freeze out a consultant, though it needs to be said that United wouldn't have been so desperate to hire Ralf that they'd bend over to any demand. There would have been a mutual agreement of the advantages to the arrangement. To go back on that now wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence that the club have a clear plan.
Its not evasion. Hes set to assume his consultancies role and most of his advice is clearly being taken on board. You're lying to yourself if you are thinking his remit is not wider than this 6 months.
I think it is reasonable to argue that "things being shit for an even longer period of time" qualifies as "things getting worse."
Tbf no matter at what stage in life, you cant afford spending time motivating people, to do the bare minimum.
Not in sports, not in a regular job or anywhere. The motivating factor is a sprinkle on top, that extra juice.
These players arent doing shit. The lack of effort is well documented both on the training ground and the pitch.
Go back and watch Ronaldo's interview and his thoughts on the youngsters. The squad is rotten and needs an axeman to break it up.
Much in the same way SAF shipped out the pubcrawlers. No manager, dead or alive can sort this group out.
The most absurd allegation i've heard is that rangnick hasn't motivated players to turn up and has instead called them out publicly.
Shouldn't the players be motivated themselves enough while wearing the utd shirt ? how about a bit of self respect ? Got pasted by the dippers at ot but didn't want to show up to take revenge at anfield. So rangnick called them shite, what do they do ? They go onto the pitch and prove him right. If my boss called me shit i'd be motivated to embarrass him infront of his bosses by showing how wrong he was.
And some of the fans piling on rangnick are shameless. And before you get your tities in a twist, no i am not saying he's without blame but the greatest share of the blame lays at the feet of the players and the board and not rangnick.
Shouldn't the players be motivated themselves enough while wearing the utd shirt ? how about a bit of self respect ? Got pasted by the dippers at ot but didn't want to show up to take revenge at anfield. So rangnick called them shite, what do they do ? They go onto the pitch and prove him right. If my boss called me shit i'd be motivated to embarrass him infront of his bosses by showing how wrong he was.
And some of the fans piling on rangnick are shameless. And before you get your tities in a twist, no i am not saying he's without blame but the greatest share of the blame lays at the feet of the players and the board and not rangnick.
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