Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[UnitedSofa]

He's performed absolutely disastrously in what he was brought in to do. And he hasn't 'made sure' of anything. You have far too much faith in our board if you think they will make the changes he talks about.

….& yet here we are with the club seemingly moving in the right direction.

A CEO who leaves footballing matters to the football people

A DOF/Technical director doing the right things so far

A proper football manager in place

Culling unnecessary Scouting positions

…..& here we are claimjng that nothing is being done to rectify the shite we’re currently in.

 

[Amarsdd]

Are you suggesting the players were only 20% to blame when Ole got the bullet?

Wasn't this the exact take everyone was going with through out the Ole's tenure? "This team would be doing so much better with any other decent manager"?

 

[city-puma]

Ralf is a really poor interim manager appointment but I don’t blame him. You can’t blame one who tries his best but is incapable doing the job.
It is the board and owners to take the blame, because they are the one to make that decision.

 

[2mufc0]

Wasn't this the exact take everyone was going with through out the Ole's tenure? "This team would be doing so much better with any other decent manager"?

This is a good point. When Ole was in the job a lot were saying a better manager would get much more out of these players, now we have different manager that is also failing it's now because the players are crap.

 

[stevoc]

Agreed, and one of them problems with assessing the team based on his stint is that absolutely everyone looks terrible.

Unfortunately we can't replace everyone in one window so we are going to need to work with what we have to an extent

Yeah good point his ''assessment'' will be surely be biased by the fact the squads form almost to a man has deteriorated and/or stayed crap due to his own management.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Yeah good point his ''assessment'' will be surely be biased by the fact the squads form almost to a man has deteriorated and/or stayed crap due to his own management.

This doesn't really make any sense from the perspective of a manager

 

[tomaldinho1]

Because our results demonstrate. Anyone with half a brain would know the squad needs work, so Rangnick saying so doesn't really mean much more than saying the obvious.

The criticism of him is therefore not that he's professional. Its that he is failing at the basics of galvanizing the squad to punch above its collective weight and earn us a CL spot. If he can't do either then everything else is meaningless.

If anyone with half a brain could say it why didn’t Ole? We had three seasons of playing happy families and trophies are for egos, home truths are needed and it was always going to be ugly. It’s easy for us to say, this and that are obvious but it’s harder for a manager particularly when this group of players has history of downing tools.

Results have not been good but then he’s not even a coach - we have to assume he’s been hired with a genuine view to long term changes structurally. If we hired him with the sole aim of getting top four and then parting ways, this club’s football IQ is as low as we’ve ever seen it.

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

He talks the big time pretty well, but eventually he has failed to deliver top 4, which was what he was bought for to steady the ship.

The only major changes he made to Ole was bringing in Dalot and Telles, which to be honest has been awful decision, they are both defensively awful as compared to Shaw and AWB, even offensively Shaw is miles better than Telles, whereas despite Dalot being better than AWB, he is still nowhere near the standard of a top class full back should be.

Another change was to bring in Elanga, which has been forced due to suspension of Greenwood, and Elanga is currently not even a top 10 player, he is weak, his decision making is erratic and currently except pace, has no other attribute of a potential top class player, the likes of Janujaz and Greenwood looked a million dollar players in comparison to him.

I would have kept Martial and played him on the Left with Sancho on the right. Or played Pogba on the left and Sancho on the right.

I hope now that we finish 8th and we are nowhere near Europa or Conference League, because frankly its a waste of time, I would rather we continue to play our first 11 and perform well in the league and domestic cups next season.

 

[DSG]

Where have I said he is a top manager?
You have lost your head if you believe the club will do things right without his insight.

Im 100% sure we hire Poch if he was not here

Oh, I have no belief that the club will do things right regardless. The Glazers are the real problem.

His genius insight is that we need better players? fecking hell, glad we got him in then. We’d never have figured that out…

Ralf can feck off back to Russia. Hope he never sets foot inside the club again.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Rangnick has shown no accountability as a manager. Instead he has avoided his responsibility by focusing on the need to rebuild the squad, a job that isn't actually his, not right now and possibly ever.

Wait…you don’t think we need a rebuild?

This is the first time I think we can actually use the word rebuild without it being hyperbole. Huge amounts of players leaving on frees and many others looking to leave, new manager coming in who wants to play a completely different style of football.

 

[Raoul]

If anyone with half a brain could say it why didn’t Ole? We had three seasons of playing happy families and trophies are for egos, home truths are needed and it was always going to be ugly. It’s easy for us to say, this and that are obvious but it’s harder for a manager particularly when this group of players has history of downing tools.

Results have not been good but then he’s not even a coach - we have to assume he’s been hired with a genuine view to long term changes structurally. If we hired him with the sole aim of getting top four and then parting ways, this club’s football IQ is as low as we’ve ever seen it.

Because he wasn't qualified to manage the club ? He would've made a decent caretaker until a proper manager was hired.

 

[city-puma]

He has managed to improve Fred and maybe sancho from the worst period of oles reign. Everyone else has stayed the same or got worse. Surely it is a managers job to improve players. I have no doubt there is an issue with some of the players attitude but do you really believe we couldnt be playing better

Any neutral looking at ralfs reign thinks he has been a failure, only a section of United supporters disagree with this. Its just a repeat of oles time at the club where neutrals knew of oles limitations a while before a lot of our deluded fan base did

He doesn’t improve Fred. Fred has been excellent for at least 2.5 years. He indeed put Fred to a more advanced, adventuring position/role sometimes. It fit Fred’s skill set better. But then, we have only one Fred, thus, our midfield issues are often worse.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Are there still people blaming the interim manager, and not the bunch of hopeless players we've got that have failed time and time again under different managers?

Rangnick is not to blame here people. I'd rather we crash and burn this season if it means the new manager can have the support and political capital to get rid of most of the dross in the dressing room.

 

[big_jeffstar]

That's still not a valid reason to bring him in as manager, given that literally any number of other options would've outperformed him and led as to a CL spot given the players we have.

Would they? I’m not so sure.. who could have come in on an interim basis and led us to fourth? And is that what you want to see next season? More of the same?

 

[90 + 5min]

He has managed to improve Fred and maybe sancho from the worst period of oles reign. Everyone else has stayed the same or got worse. Surely it is a managers job to improve players. I have no doubt there is an issue with some of the players attitude but do you really believe we couldnt be playing better

Any neutral looking at ralfs reign thinks he has been a failure, only a section of United supporters disagree with this. Its just a repeat of oles time at the club where neutrals knew of oles limitations a while before a lot of our deluded fan base did

We could but players need to step up. Use every single day to train and stop with other things beside football. You don't fly away on vacation in the middle of the season when you play poor or when your team is poor. You stay at home and work out. But our players, as soon as they are "free" fly across the world for own purpose. That is why lot of them are just artificial footballers and it all falls apart when it gets slighty tough.

 

[big_jeffstar]

He seems to think that's what he's doing or at least maybe that's what he wants people to believe. But I'm worried that the club haven't actually told him to do anything of the sort.

If he wasn’t, the club wouldn’t be moving him upstairs at the end of the season, if they only wanted an interim to push us into fourth, why on earth would they then keep them around afterwards? And why would they give an interim manager hired solely on the basis of getting us fourth, any input at all into who comes in next? Fabrizio has reported that he was involved in the process… it doesn’t add up

 

[Raoul]

Would they? I’m not so sure.. who could have come in on an interim basis and led us to fourth? And is that what you want to see next season? More of the same?

See Conte at Spurs. Came in and won far more than RR with lesser players. It can obviously be done. Even Moyes has outperformed us this year and is a game in hand away from having more points than us.

 

[RedPed]

People who love Ole. The way i see it he hasn’t done fantastically well but anyone who thought he was going to absolutely revolutionise everything were living in dreamland anyway. I still think this is the best appointment we’ve made in years because it’s lead to a lot of changes for the future. However i don’t understand why Rangnick is getting a lot of shit when these players have consistently thrown loads of managers under the bus and are clearly not playing for him. Players like Lingard saying the dressing room is a mess etc should have been let go a long long time ago and are causing absolute chaos at this club

It's nothing to do with Ole. Look at Ralf's stats. He must be the worst performing manager of the lot. That's not what he was brought in for. Otherwise, Carrick could have just stayed until the end of the season. He might as well have done.

 

[city-puma]

Would they? I’m not so sure.. who could have come in on an interim basis and led us to fourth? And is that what you want to see next season? More of the same?

The is one of the main affect due to Ralf’s failure. Everyone lose faith on our squad. Our squad is not as bad as they are projected really.

 

[clarkydaz]

See Conte at Spurs. Came in and won far more than RR with lesser players. It can obviously be done. Even Moyes has outperformed us this year and is a game in hand away from having more points than us.

Conte is permanent manager. its clear half the team dont care for Ralf, or they would play like he wanted them to

 

[tomaldinho1]

Because he wasn't qualified to manage the club ? He would've made a decent caretaker until a proper manager was hired.

Of that we agree. We’ve basically had unqualified interims for 4 years, one was all smiles and thought player appeasement was the way forward, the other is the opposite. Ragnick’s tenure will be remembered better when the dust has settled because it was so short, it’s clear he isn’t an elite coach (which we all knew) but it’s a 6month gig and if his legacy is shit football but clearing out the freeloaders it’s infinitely better than 3 years of shit football whilst dissolving the standards of the club and handing out bumper deals to mercenaries.

 

[Butty19]

Hopefully we’ll look back on this in years to come and realise how important he was in starting a new chapter at the club. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the club seem to be making the right decisions since he’s been here. I’ve enjoyed his honesty even if results haven’t gone to plan. Onwards and upwards.

 

[DevilRed]

Ralf.

If you don't see the problem in the dressing room then it means YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

 

[Raoul]

Conte is permanent manager. its clear half the team dont care for Ralf, or they would play like he wanted them to

Another reason why it wasn’t necessary to hire him. We looked better under Carrick’s one or two matches in charge and should’ve kept him for the season until ETH was hired.

 

[city-puma]

It's nothing to do with Ole. Look at Ralf's stats. He must be the worst performing manager of the lot. That's not what he was brought in for. Otherwise, Carrick could have just stayed until the end of the season. He might as well have done.

Apparently, Ole’s coaching team is very talented. The problem is at that time, all pundits (many are our former players) were talking absolute nonsense that the whole coaching team must leave. What can we expect from any honorable man in that circumstance? Carrick had to take the decision to leave then even though he wants to help.

 

[DSG]

….& yet here we are with the club seemingly moving in the right direction.

A CEO who leaves footballing matters to the football people

A DOF/Technical director doing the right things so far

A proper football manager in place

Culling unnecessary Scouting positions

…..& here we are claimjng that nothing is being done to rectify the shite we’re currently in.

Bizarre to give credit to Ralf for these “changes”.

CEO was in place before Ralf came along. Same with Fletcher/ Murtagh.

Not sure if a technical director should be on the touch line shouting instructions. Maybe Fletch feels compelled to because Ralf is so bad…?

Maybe the scouting changes were his idea, maybe not. As an interim / consultant, maybe he made the suggestion, but the final decision would come down to Murtagh, Fletcher ‘ Arnold.

 

[Giggsy13]

Ole can only dream of what Ralf has done in his career??? Hahahahahaha

1 German cup in 20 years. Wowsers. That's an incredible record.

Ralf has built up two clubs from the ground up with one being a regular CL contender. Ralf for recruitment is far superior and that’s the primary reason we have him. The fact Ole still is on your minds shows how deluded the fanbase is as well. Would you rather have Ole still be in charge or have ten Hag now?

 

[Giggsy13]

Club builder my arse.

See RB Leipzig and see players that have come thru that club. The fact this is even a debate hahaha. Ole was a fecking disaster on recruitment.

 

[Mickeza]

Bizarre to give credit to Ralf for these “changes”.

CEO was in place before Ralf came along. Same with Fletcher/ Murtagh.

Not sure if a technical director should be on the touch line shouting instructions. Maybe Fletch feels compelled to because Ralf is so bad…?

Maybe the scouting changes were his idea, maybe not. As an interim / consultant, maybe he made the suggestion, but the final decision would come down to Murtagh, Fletcher ‘ Arnold.

They absolutely were not. Mitten who broke the story is categoric in it being nothing to do with Ragnick. He also thinks that despite finding his press conferences engaging he’s been shite and will have little to no influence going forward. Which begs the question: why did we hire a DOF who dabbled in management long ago to one of the hardest interim gigs around considering the circumstances if not to keep him on going forward? Truly bizarre appointment.

 

[TheReligion]

He's performed absolutely disastrously in what he was brought in to do. And he hasn't 'made sure' of anything. You have far too much faith in our board if you think they will make the changes he talks about.

….& yet here we are with the club seemingly moving in the right direction.

A CEO who leaves footballing matters to the football people

A DOF/Technical director doing the right things so far

A proper football manager in place

Culling unnecessary Scouting positions

…..& here we are claimjng that nothing is being done to rectify the shite we’re currently in.

Bizarre to give credit to Ralf for these “changes”.

CEO was in place before Ralf came along. Same with Fletcher/ Murtagh.

Not sure if a technical director should be on the touch line shouting instructions. Maybe Fletch feels compelled to because Ralf is so bad…?

Maybe the scouting changes were his idea, maybe not. As an interim / consultant, maybe he made the suggestion, but the final decision would come down to Murtagh, Fletcher ‘ Arnold.

I don’t understand why people can’t see the changes being made at the club?

Perhaps they don’t want to.

 

[lawliet354]

If anyone with half a brain could say it why didn’t Ole? We had three seasons of playing happy families and trophies are for egos, home truths are needed and it was always going to be ugly. It’s easy for us to say, this and that are obvious but it’s harder for a manager particularly when this group of players has history of downing tools.

Results have not been good but then he’s not even a coach - we have to assume he’s been hired with a genuine view to long term changes structurally. If we hired him with the sole aim of getting top four and then parting ways, this club’s football IQ is as low as we’ve ever seen it.

Because Ole himself built the squad, and saying bluntly the squad needs work means he's admitting he's doing a shit job as manager.

Agree with you, I'm really happy that Ralf said publicly that the squad is shit and the club scouting is shit. He has nothing to lose and he doesn't need to mind about dressing room being unhappy or him getting sacked.

If missing CL is what it takes for the squad to be rebuilt properly then so be it. Last thing we want is another manager like Ole that pamper the squad and spout some bullshit like 'cultural reboot' only for 3 years later the vicious cycle starts again

People still mentioning Carrick or other former players for the interim are being deliberately stupid

 

[Giggsy13]

The fact some of you believe the manager is still the problem. Jose, Ole and now Ralf. Really is still the fecking manager!?

 

[DevilRed]

Easily the worst manager we have appointed since Fergie retired. Easily.

Even moyes had his teams playing better than this shite.

 

[TheReligion]

They absolutely were not. Mitten who broke the story is categoric in it being nothing to do with Ragnick. He also thinks that despite finding his press conferences engaging he’s been shite and will have little to no influence going forward. Which begs the question: why did we hire a DOF who dabbled in management long ago to one of the hardest interim gigs around considering the circumstances if not to keep him on going forward? Truly bizarre appointment.

Who else could we have brought in?

 

[PoTMS]

Eddie Howe would've done a far better job.

 

[DSG]

They absolutely were not. Mitten who broke the story is categoric in it being nothing to do with Ragnick. He also thinks that despite finding his press conferences engaging he’s been shite and will have little to no influence going forward. Which begs the question: why did we hire a DOF who dabbled in management long ago to one of the hardest interim gigs around considering the circumstances if not to keep him on going forward? Truly bizarre appointment.

There you go… 100% agree.

 

[0le]

He has managed to improve Fred and maybe sancho from the worst period of oles reign. Everyone else has stayed the same or got worse. Surely it is a managers job to improve players. I have no doubt there is an issue with some of the players attitude but do you really believe we couldnt be playing better

Any neutral looking at ralfs reign thinks he has been a failure, only a section of United supporters disagree with this. Its just a repeat of oles time at the club where neutrals knew of oles limitations a while before a lot of our deluded fan base did

Many neutrals still think the Glazers are "okay" so I do not think their opinions should hold much weight.

I agree that the manager's job is to improve and motivate the players, but when players do not want to even run, why is that the manager's fault? In my view, motivation from the manager is more like the "extra 5-10%" on top of the "100%" the players should already be doing. It should not be about getting the players to the 100% - that should instead be a basic requirement of any footballer.

I agree he has failed to provide that "extra 10%". Maybe the players do not appreciate his honesty or maybe it is something else. It is hard to say where it has gone wrong and why in this regard. Players release books all the time so we will probably find out in a few months or years what really happened. However, that 10% is not the reason we did not turn up against Everton for example.

With regards to his tactics, I saw him trying to change things and eventually resort back to the original formation. I am frustrated with his team selection. I hated seeing two goalkeepers on the bench. I do not like seeing Mata getting game time over Hannibal. The latter has played international football now. He can get some more minutes and we can then assess here his development is at. I do not understand why Maguire was not dropped consistently.

But I find it harsh to be critical, largely because a lot of hurdles existed which have made implementing something substantially different quite challenging. You could argue it is a perfect storm of issues:
- Injuries/ absentees (Cavani, Varane & Greenwood)
- Players determined to leave (Martial)
- Not a full range of his own coaching staff
- No transfers coming in January
- Complete loss of form in some players (Rashford, Maguire)
- Some players possibly not able to play regularly or even complete a game (Mata, Matic)

People have said he has "failed" but if their measure of "success" was to qualify for CL, then given the issues he has faced, in hindsight, that would have been some return.

 

[Giggsy13]

….& yet here we are with the club seemingly moving in the right direction.

A CEO who leaves footballing matters to the football people

A DOF/Technical director doing the right things so far

A proper football manager in place

Culling unnecessary Scouting positions

…..& here we are claimjng that nothing is being done to rectify the shite we’re currently in.

I’ve been a skeptic but the process of bringing in ten Hag as well as having Rangnick has been smooth and without the drama of the past. The fact some still believe that it’s solely on the manager is comical, and shows a lack of education and awareness imo. This group of players has downed 3 managers, given up and taken the easy way out because they have been given too much power. Now we have Ralf figuratively pulling their pants down in public and still the mob isn’t happy.

 

[RedPed]

Apparently, Ole’s coaching team is very talented. The problem is at that time, all pundits (many are our former players) were talking absolute nonsense that the whole coaching team must leave. What can we expect from any honorable man in that circumstance? Carrick had to take the decision to leave then even though he wants to help.

He was only leaving because Rangnick had been brought in. He could have stayed until the end of the season, Rangnick could still have come in and done his assessment from upstairs, leaving the board to carry out their due diligence on Ten Hag or whoever ready for the new season.

I can't see how that could be worse than the crap we've been served up the last 6 months. Like I said, at least Carrick would have known the players and given a feck when we lose.

 

[PoTMS]

I’ve been a skeptic but the process of bringing in ten Hag as well as having Rangnick has been smooth and without the drama of the past. The fact some still believe that it’s solely on the manager is comical, and shows a lack of education and awareness imo. This group of players has downed 3 managers, given up and taken the easy way out because they have been given too much power. Now we have Ralf figuratively pulling their pants down in public and still the mob isn’t happy.

How has it been smooth? We've been even more of a laughing stock under Rangnick for 6 months. We may as well have hired the cleaner to take charge of the first team.