I don’t understand why people think this will mean we’re keen on ETH at the end of the season, Rangnick and Poch have more similarities.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Be funny if he beat PSG in final and won UCL, taking out Ajax along the way. Awkward.
It’s a bridge to either Poch or ten Hag, whomever we prefer, and his philosophy is the perfect foundation for either of them to build on as he will get the team working collectively which they haven’t for a while.
Stop it. You're getting a certain poster hard.
Leonardo has stopped no one from coaching the way they want, lets not make up things. And the point is about whether Pochettino is going to be next or not, he isn't the only manager using a high press and there head coaches that do not want to be more powerful, as Adnan suggested, Adi Hutter is one of them and there is also Jesse Marsch or Seoane.
He was being negative about Rangnick before this was announced and I thought he may know something but I keep forgetting German football fans have real hate for the RB clubs, since it spoils their system.
I would love him to never play AWB again.
Gladbach are a big club and there's no doubt about that. But what I mean by 'big club' is him getting a chance at a giant club. I'm surprised not one of our clubs here in England brought him over, not even the middling clubs.
I'd honestly be excited if we hired him. He's a very good coach that plays a very exciting brand of football.
Because most people clamouring for ETH haven’t seen much of either his or Ralf’s sides and are in love with an idea more than anything else.
You're aware he's gonna be hired as an interim manager?
But surely Rangnick won't have the kind of political clout to just pluck some random pressing and transition merchant like Marsch from Bundesliga to install him as the next United manager, and also not managers like Hütter or Seoane even if they're very good.
While the questions about authority and power are real, and I have no idea how much power Rangnick will be granted after the season or how much power Pochettino actually would want; in terms of style, Pochettino and Rangnick are a good fit.
I think crapping on other people's positivity is enjoyable to some people, that would be why. Fair enough that you don't rate Rangnick highly, but you have failed to provide any solid argument or reasoning for your negativity.
The long termism doesn't need to be the person, the systems he will instill will last over time if we use him to inform the next manager decision, or hire him as our sporting director when this is over. As Lepzig and Salzburg have shown.
He will get into every part of the club and call out any shit he sees. Which goes against the way we've been ran for years. It may not work, but it's finally a modern approach.
Can you blame them after the slop we've seen for years and years football wise? People want to dream.
To be fair I think he as valid points in his downplaying of Rangnick. I obviously don't share them, but the problem with Rangnick is that a lot of his reputation is based on the influence he had on the game. He has not won the titles himself to back this reputation up, but relies on the success of coaches he influenced being attributed to him. And this is what you can heavily discuss, how much you do that.
His actual titles are second league titles and a German Cup win. That's it, and that is not impressive at the elite level.
Excellent.
Hopefully he prefers ETH over Poch and pushes hard for it in the summer.
Hopefully he prefers ETH over Poch and pushes hard for it in the summer.
One has to assume that the men who picked Rangnick share a similar view and have no intention to lose influence in the long term management of the club. Or are we ignoring the existence of Murtough and his autority? And again my post wasn't about the style, otherwise I would have mentioned it even once. I questioned the sense in bringing someone that wants the power the is already in the hands of Murtough and potentially Rangnick, I also wonder why Pochettino would choose to potentially put himself in a situation that he has tried to avoid twice in his previous clubs.
Edit: And other thing that should be said is that ten Hag isn't married to a style, he adapted to Ajax but his Utrecht team wasn't as possession based because it didnt fit his players. IIRC he explained it somewhere.
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He signed Haaland, Mane and Upamecano for a combined £12m.
Also Konate on a free. Obviously has an eye for gems.
Also Konate on a free. Obviously has an eye for gems.
I think this is okay.
The benefit of having a senior consultant is that they often have experience working with both successful and unsuccessful organizations. Having a preferred ered blueprint is fine but the hard part is to identify those who’re open to changes and those who‘re secretly against it. You just need a few with a hidden agenda to jeopardize a successful outcome.
Hopefully Murtough and Rangnick has the boards trust to operate with enough freedom to if necessary make both structural and personal changes. I assume we will soon hear stories from all angles about who‘re in or not on this exiting journey. Anyway I like what I’m seeing.
I still think that Rangnick has been brought in primarily to help our sporting Directors develop a long term strategy - and him being placed as interim is mainly because he'll be a decent stop gap to take us into next summer. It makes a change from our strategy since Sir Alex (although it's clear we didn't have a strategy even back then) of just changing managers and not much else. And I think after Ole the board have been burned by bringing in an "interim", things going well, giving him a long term contract which makes us miss out on other options, and before you know it we're back to square one, and nothing to show for it.
Whereas with Rangnick we have a coach with a pre-agreed end date, followed by a transition into a new role where he can help Murtough develop his skills as a DoF and develop something that doesn't leave us stuck in this endless loop of operational madness.
No I definitely don’t. I also still think it’s very possible and that this appointment doesn’t ensure it’s one or the other. Ralf is very suitable to set us up for either guy.
No it won't Shaw is a player out of shape and a bit of a lazy sod. Ralf will be looking for a new left back.
It seems Murtough has played a pivotal role in bringing Rangnick to the club and he'll have a influential role at the club once the season is over. And I think that's a good thing for us because you can never have too many 'good people' running the football side of the club, as a long as they're on the same wavelength.
I understand that, my point would rather be to speculate that they could be a good team if they were forced to collaborate (and the forcing would have to come from the overarching power - i.e. Manchester United and its DoF Murtough).
Rangnick has been absolutely desperate for a big club job and for recognition in England so the opportunity to work at a club like Utd might make him accept that he's just giving input and can not pick the manager or make the decisions on transfers.
And Pochettino, well, to me it seems like the opportunity to be Manchester United manager would be tempting enough for him that Murtough could say, 'this is now a club with a DoF (me), as manager you'll have to collaborate on the transfers with me and also we'll be getting input from Rangnick'.
But maybe I'm underestimating Pochettino's aversion to work alongside a strong DoF, he never struck me as someone who'd mind so much but you might be more informed on that.
Reading these quotes and watching some videos, he comes a bit cocky, obviously holds himself in high regard, just oozes confidence.
What's not to like
What's not to like
Ask your team’s manager.
He’s an interim manager and then he’s going to assume an office role for whoever replaces him. He is excellent at that.
Reading the background article on Rangnick, and laughed at this part:
"Schalke’s patriarchal club boss Rudi Assauer — who was rarely caught without a big cigar in his mouth — mocked Rangnick for busying himself with every minutia of a team’s organisation, down to “telling the bus driver how to do his job”. Years later, Rangnick admitted he had a hard time delegating in those days but countered that Assauer’s bus driver example was not well chosen: “I only got involved because our bus driver once got lost on the short way from the Gelsenkirchen team hotel to the stadium! In the history of the Bundesliga, that was the only time a game had to be delayed because the home team had arrived late.”"
"Schalke’s patriarchal club boss Rudi Assauer — who was rarely caught without a big cigar in his mouth — mocked Rangnick for busying himself with every minutia of a team’s organisation, down to “telling the bus driver how to do his job”. Years later, Rangnick admitted he had a hard time delegating in those days but countered that Assauer’s bus driver example was not well chosen: “I only got involved because our bus driver once got lost on the short way from the Gelsenkirchen team hotel to the stadium! In the history of the Bundesliga, that was the only time a game had to be delayed because the home team had arrived late.”"
some of the people here who are knocking him today, i bet you, up until today they never even heard of the guy and over a few hours they are an expert on the guy.
But that's a terrible start and I include Murtough in the equation. That's my point, why would anyone sensible do that, it's not as if we are talking about bringing Guardiola or Sacchi?
Looking forward to seeing an improvement in fitness and teamwork.
I was responding to posts mindlessly overhyping what Rangnick is and what he has done. That's not trolling. That's my honest reaction, now if you don't mind. The stuff about what a massive legend and visionary he is is very cringey and laughable. Doesn't make him a bad manager.Absolutely poor trolling. Take the night off
The overhype and hyperbole I'm seeing here and on YouTube is insane. You'd think we've signed Klopp or Pep. Hopefully he does well enough for us.With every page in this thread, the hyping grows and grows
Ralf fecking Rangnick, you could not make it up..
'The father of Gegenpressing', Lord help me, that is a cringe sentence of words
Guess "the father of TSG Hoffenheim" doesn't sound impressive enough
I don't mean forced as in dragged into the meeting room by the ears. I mean, sometimes people don't know what roles they are best in, I think Pochettino is a fantastic coach but I don't think he should be able to buy his own squad, for example. Just as Rangnick has a lot of expertise but he shouldn't be allowed to enact his control mania.
Just like Prince also produced his best albums when he was constrained by the A&R departments of major labels and not given complete 'freedom', and then when he went independent he produced 3 hours long triple albums full of noodling fusion that noone can listen to.
Or like Alaba wanting to play midfield all his career, yet in the end it was undoubtedly beneficial and fruitful for him that he was 'forced' to play defender..
I have a feeling he will have us playing similarly to Hassenhuttls Southampton?
the 4-2-2-2 high pressure/counter pressing is exactly how they play. Will be interesting to see how we can pull it off.
I have an idea of the player he might hate/love already.
the 4-2-2-2 high pressure/counter pressing is exactly how they play. Will be interesting to see how we can pull it off.
I have an idea of the player he might hate/love already.
He's not the manager of Lokomotiv. He's the sporting director at Lokomotiv. Took the job less than 6 months ago.
It's not a bad plan.
Again, I just have a problem with Rangnick's grandstanding self-promotion and the way it's picked up by lazy media and social media. I don't think he's a terrible choice for half a year as interim and some input into DoF work, even if you could surely have found a more impressive manager even for the short term.
Honestly don't care that much about how he'll do as a coach in the short term. Ideally he'd make this season worthwile, but if not so be it.
The fact that he seems to be brought in to implement some kind of long term vision at this club is fantastic and absolutely crucial. Especially because he has a good record.
His comments about how >50% of your transfers need to be successful just makes me really happy. We've spent close to a billion on transfers since SAF retired and it's brought us so little. Simply because there was no long term plan or structure, no long term vision. And the people in charge kept fecking it up, going from backing managers with one idea or style to another, and then panicking and repeating the mistakes again.
The fact that he seems to be brought in to implement some kind of long term vision at this club is fantastic and absolutely crucial. Especially because he has a good record.
His comments about how >50% of your transfers need to be successful just makes me really happy. We've spent close to a billion on transfers since SAF retired and it's brought us so little. Simply because there was no long term plan or structure, no long term vision. And the people in charge kept fecking it up, going from backing managers with one idea or style to another, and then panicking and repeating the mistakes again.
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