Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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His lack of proactive approach when it comes to changing our midfield is infuriating.
 
Mainoldo said:
I’m not going to argue about Ole being good. Sick to the back teeth of talking about him and now that he’s gone. Don’t really want to talk about him again. Have a debate with someone else.
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Fair enough but we were better with him. Facts, results , league position- everything suggests that. Good going for a “pussy”
 
LJJT said:
I hope everyone realised now how good OGS was in the previous 2 seasons. Utter dross again tonight
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Mourinho also achieved 2nd place (with trophies) and he's widely regarded as a failure here. Can we stop with this nonsense. Ole was awful.
 
Rangnick is doing just about ok. It's marginally better than Oleball at the start of the season but not by much
 
Interim be definition means "in the meantime", so this is what we get in the meantime until the end of the season. A manager who has no power to make any significant change, and no incoming recruitment. We really should just give Ralf the power to clear house this window and bring in one semi decent midfielder, any fecker from Germany will do.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Mourinho also achieved 2nd place (with trophies) and he's widely regarded as a failure here. Can we stop with this nonsense. Ole was awful.
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2nd place and feck all else or 7th place and a trophy? At least ole went all in on everything. fecking disgraceful standards. The 2nd place was a million miles off anything as well. This time last year we were title challenging
 
LJJT said:
When are we going to stop blaming “the board” they pump the money in what more do we all want?
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Years of mismanagement and over spending on shite is one of the main reason were in such a mess
 
LJJT said:
2nd place and feck all else or 7th place and a trophy? At least ole went all in on everything. fecking disgraceful standards
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Ole was doing ok for while, but was never really good enough. And he's gone now. End of story.
 
We are taking baby steps forward, but we are definitely improving. Sings are there. For periods we press well, our patterns in attack seem to be working better and better.


He is doing what he was brought here to do. If you thought he was magically transforming this team of overpaid divas, serial losers and many simply average players into CL/PL winners, you were delusional to begin with.

The glue that can bring this team together is going to be a proper DM. We don't seem to be going for one. So forget about consistency until the end of the season. If McTom or Fred or Matic has a freak world class game, we are going to look amazing. If they are on their usual level, we are going to struggle. That's the harsh reality.

Players are still misplacing or overhitting simple passes and making wrong decisions. Ralf was furious in the first half when Telles got the ball with TONS OF SPACE, ran into the penatly area and immediately overhit a random cross to nowhere, instead of holding the ball a little more and waiting for a good option to pass to (he could even have gone for shot himself).

You can't put all the blame on the manager for everything. No way.

Obviously he doesn't trust VDB in the midfield and sees him only as Bruno substitution. Why I do not know. But there are a lot of overreactions once again. This team is nowhere near ready and nowhere near good enough.

Ps: I think we shouldn't have bought Ronaldo or Sancho. Had we spent all this money on proper DM and less expensive attacker, we would have been miles better off. But our board is clueless.
 
Castia said:
Half the squad is unhappy and having a interim manager with 3 quarters of a season to go was always going to be a disaster. Ole needed to go and in the long term that will prove to be correct, the board fecked up yet again by not getting Conte in my opinion.
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His acid tongue scared off our board and by the looks of it probably these weak minded players as well
 
Toshey said:
We are taking baby steps forward, but we are definitely improving. Sings are there. For periods we press well, our patterns in attack seem to be working better and better.


He is doing what he was brought here to do. If you thought he was magically transforming this team of overpaid divas, serial losers and many simply average players into CL/PL winners, you were delusional to begin with.

The glue that can bring this team together is going to be a proper DM. We don't seem to be going for one. So forget about consistency until the end of the season. If McTom or Fred or Matic has a freak world class game, we are going to look amazing. If they are on their usual level, we are going to struggle. That's the harsh reality.

Players are still misplacing or overhitting simple passes and making wrong decisions. Ralf was furious in the first half when Telles got the ball with TONS OF SPACE, ran into the penatly area and immediately overhit a random cross to nowhere, instead of holding the ball a little more and waiting for a good option to pass to (he could even have gone for shot himself).

You can't put all the blame on the manager for everything. No way.

Obviously he doesn't trust VDB in the midfield and sees him only as Bruno substitution. Why I do not know. But there are a lot of overreactions once again. This team is nowhere near ready and nowhere near good enough.

Ps: I think we shouldn't have bought Ronaldo or Sancho. Had we spent all this money on proper DM and less expensive attacker, we would have been miles better off. But our board is clueless.
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Yeah they are all about marketing
 
Ten Hag would struggle with our midfield. I don't think Rangnick should be considered for the job beyond May but I'm not going to throw him under the bus while our board refuses to buy a midfielder for him.
 
M Bison said:
Many seem to be unhappy with Ralf, and I’m not over the moon with him either, but is it a necessary evil in the short term, while we get to the bottom of the mess within the playing squad?

This stuff going on with Martial and us having an incomplete bench today, is it a good thing longer term?
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Depends what the mess is. Weeding out players for the short term or are we a club breeding unhappy players?
 
Hansi Fick said:
Ole was doing ok for while, but was never really good enough. And he's gone now. End of story.
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Exactly. Let us stop living in the past. Anyways for me this season is a write off thanks to our incompetent board. The only competition I am excited is FA cup.
 
Castia said:
Half the squad is unhappy and having a interim manager with 3 quarters of a season to go was always going to be a disaster. Ole needed to go and in the long term that will prove to be correct, the board fecked up yet again by not getting Conte in my opinion.
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Not really, Ole taking over from Mourinho under very similar circumstances is easily an example of the exact opposite. Plenty of interim managers come in and do an excellent job turning things around, it's hardly a problem in itself and everyone is well aware that Ralf is continuing at Manchester United afterwards and it's not like he won't have a major say in players in and players out.

I'm genuinely surprised at how poor Ralf has been at addressing issues during matches, he talks the talk about being proactive but completely fails to notice when things are about to go to shits and what he needs to change. Cavani was running on fumes around the 60th min, he'd been useless, sub him the feck off at 2-0 and stick Greenwood up top with an extra midfielder to compensate for Matic looking slower and slower out there. Elanga looked like he'd taken a knock, seemed in pain on the bench with his foot being checked, so that substitution for an attacker is fair enough.

If we had to play the same Liverpool and City sides over the next two weeks as we did before Ole was sacked, does anyone really think the results wouldn't be embarrassing for us, again. Yes, we're certainly playing with a more obvious pattern on the pitch but we're still shit.
 
LJJT said:
Agree completely. But we were better under OGS than this shit or under LVG or Jose.
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Ole did better than expected. That much is absolutely true. But that is also connected to the fact that noone had any expectations, unlike it was with LVG or Mourinho, as in reality, he should never have been appointed permanent manager with his record. But he also tried his best and fans should appreciate what he did and keep him in a positive memory.
Now, no matter how well you regard his work in previous seasons (I would regard it as kind of decent but with a ceiling), this season it all fell apart, not by chance after serious investment and the corresponding change in expectations. Kind of like it went with Lampard, and he was sacked accordingly.

How good Rangnick is, has no bearing on that. No use in playing it out against each other.
 
Under LVG and Jose and Ole we had Ander Herrera and Matic who still could play football for more than 20 minutes. We also had Carrick as experienced midfielder.

Trust me, Herrera was all the difference in many, many games.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Ole did better than expected. That much is absolutely true. But that is also connected to the fact that noone had any expectations, unlike it was with LVG or Mourinho, as in reality, he should never have been appointed permanent manager with his record. But he also tried his best and fans should appreciate what he did and keep him in a positive memory.
Now, no matter how well you regard his work in previous seasons (I would regard it as kind of decent but with a ceiling), this season it all fell apart, not by chance after serious investment and the corresponding change in expectations. Kind of like it went with Lampard, and he was sacked accordingly.

How good Rangnick is, has bearing on that. No use in playing it out against each other.
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It’s nothing to do with expectations and we’re better under ole. We finished 3rd then 2nd and we had long cup runs to semis or finals in both seasons. We had squad harmony and measured improvement in a vast majority of players. Nothing like the Lampard situation. We added 3 players to the squad then it went to shit. Draw your own conclusions why
 
Best I’ve seen is this season for 70 minutes to be honest, was a decent performance and looked like an actual team with a plan.

The problem is the team is so so weak mentally that it was always going to happen once we conceded the first goal, but I’m not blaming Ralph let’s face it we’ve been awful all season. Today without rashford that useless slab header idiot who tells police ‘do you know who I am?’ And the fans favourite mctominay who despite his physicality effort and athleticism to me is not a United midfielder. Looked the best we have all season.
Ralf is doing his best but his hands are tied behind his back, stick with elanga and lindelof and we’ll start improving. Board give him a player a midfielder with tidy feet and and can keep the ball under pressure.
Martial needs shifting if what I heard about his comments are true he didn’t want to travel, get rid.
Give ralf a midfielder for god sake.
Ralph no blame at all, board this awful season is on you.
 
LJJT said:
It’s nothing to do with expectations and we’re better under ole. We finished 3rd then 2nd and we had long cup runs to semis or finals in both seasons. We had squad harmony and measured improvement in a vast majority of players. Nothing like the Lampard situation. We added 3 players to the squad then it went to shit. Draw your own conclusions why
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I've drawn my conclusions and posted them. The added players and expectations demanded that Ole get the team to perform better than his ceiling (or that of the whole coaching set up) enabled him to do. The squad took a step up, not just in quality but also difficulty to manage, and Ole couldn't deliver, and then team spirit deflated like a spiked balloon. The parallels to what happened to Lampard are actually rather striking.

What are yours? That the 3 players are to blame?
 
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Hansi Fick said:
I've drawn my conclusions and posted them. The added players and expectations demanded that Ole get the team to perform better than his ceiling enabled him to do. The squad took a step up and Ole couldn't deliver, and then team spirit deflated like a spiked balloon.

What are yours? That the 3 players are to blame?
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I think varane has come for a final pay day. I think Ronaldo, despite his best efforts and no fault of his own and I think he’s done well but he’s killed the group and killed the plan and structure we had going forward with ole. Ole won’t admit it and no one else will and whilst he’s a great finisher still I think he’s killed the group mentality had under ole.
 
No improvement from Ole's time. Zero. Team is crap. No one ever receives the ball in midfield. Fred or Matic are never given the ball. It is always full backs and then down the line. How can you control games and win matches by not receiving and passing the ball in midfield. And talking about passing, Greenwood NEVER passes. And the team know that and they are always pissed off when they make another run into the box and never get the ball.

This is the worst team since 2013. Easily.
 
LJJT said:
Yeah that’s why we finished 2nd and 3rd what a pile of shit. Enjoy 7th or 8th with a “pattern of play”

sorry I’m not aiming that at you just fans in general. We are a million miles worse now than what we were under OGS
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What Ole did the back end of last season and this one was the worst I’ve ever seen us.

That’s including the darkest days under Moyes and Mourinho, we were absolutely dreadful.
 
LJJT said:
I think varane has come for a final pay day. I think Ronaldo, despite his best efforts and no fault of his own and I think he’s done well but he’s killed the group and killed the plan and structure we had going forward with ole. Ole won’t admit it and no one else will and whilst he’s a great finisher still I think he’s killed the group mentality had under ole.
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I don't disagree, but I wouldn't phrase it too negatively.
Varane has come for a final payday, and he was comparably poor in recent seasons which is why Real weren't fighting harder to keep him, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a fundamentally great player, numerically in his prime, who might benefit from a new challenge, adds massive quality and experience to the United defense, and has a good attitude and mentality.
Ronaldo, probably was overkill and a knee-jerk decision to sign him. But if that was detrimental to Ole's reign, it's ironic that he ultimately got fecked over by SAF to whom is is so devoted..

The funny thing about the Ronaldo signing is, though, people claim how Ronaldo goes against, or "kills", the team spirit and isn't hard-working enough anymore etc, but then how do you explain that City, by all accounts, were about to sign him? Would he have killed their team mentality too?
 
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Hansi Fick said:
I don't disagree, but I wouldn't phrase it too negatively.
Varane has come for a final payday, and he was comparably poor in recent seasons which is why Real weren't fighting harder to keep him, but that doesn't mean that he isn't fundamentally great player who might benefit from a new challenge, adds quality and experience to the United defense, and has a good attitude and mentality.
Ronaldo, probably was overkill and a knee-jerk decision to sign him. But if that was detrimental to Ole's reign, it's ironic that he ultimately got fecked over by SAF to whom is is so devoted..

The funny thing about the Ronaldo signing is, though, people claim how Ronaldo goes against, or "kills", the team spirit and isn't hard-working enough anymore etc, but then how do you explain that City, by all accounts, were about to sign him? Would he have killed their team spirit too?
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City have a much better system in place and he wouldn’t have been allowed to take over the team the way he has done since being here.
 
I wouldn’t believe those stories. Surely we wouldn’t appoint a coach, tell him he’s being tasked with overseeing a complete reset of culture and playing style and not let him sign anyone?
 
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