Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[pascell]

Ole wouldn’t have put that team out, as that would have meant actually giving youth a chance. The game was poor but it was still a draw after all the changes, while Young Boys were pushing for a win to stay in Europe.

100% agree, last night we would've seen either Bruno and/or Maguire start for sure. Saying that, if Ole was still in charge, last night would've seen a full strength XI as we'd probably have needed to get a result to qualify.

Ole giving youth a chance is an exaggeration, people will likely throw Williams' name at me but Shaw was frequently injured at the time and we didn't have any back up LB. Greenwood was always going to make the first team sooner or later, Jose wanted him training with the first team when he was 15! In fact, Ole did more harm than good with youth, he blocked the pathway for the likes of Elanga, Mejbri and Amad by hoarding players in those positions, players like Martial, Lingard and Mata should've been sold last summer or the one before and those players promoted to squad positons.

 

[lenny_1248]

Ole wouldn’t have put that team out, as that would have meant actually giving youth a chance. The game was poor but it was still a draw after all the changes, while Young Boys were pushing for a win to stay in Europe.

wtf are you talking about?
He literally did it last season against Leicester and Wolves, same dead rubber games. Did it against Astana.

 

[youngrell]

Too many replies to respond to each individually.

I didn't mean to be negative about the new manager (or to big up Ole) I just found it quite funny reading the comments last night after seeing the lineup. It was a terrible XI – not the young players, more so the use of the senior players – the game panned out as bad as expected and pretty much nothing was changed during the game. It was exactly as if Ole was still in charge but post-match the praise continued as if it was some sort of genius management.

Baffled me a bit.

 

[youngrell]

wtf are you talking about?
He literally did it last season against Leicester and Wolves, same dead rubber games. Did it against Astana.

And also against Astana – which probably featured even more young players.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Too many replies to respond to each individually.

I didn't mean to be negative about the new manager (or to big up Ole) I just found it quite funny reading the comments last night after seeing the lineup. It was a terrible XI – not the young players, more so the use of the senior players – the game panned out as bad as expected and pretty much nothing was changed during the game. It was exactly as if Ole was still in charge but post-match the praise continued as if it was some sort of genius management.

Baffled me a bit.

It was a dead rubber, he gave game time to squad players that needed it and managed to rest the entire first team in a busy period.

We could have won but we didn't. We didn't get battered either. It's smart management IMO.

Ole would have played Bruno, Mctominay and Rashford at 60 minutes because we weren't winning.

 

[macheda14]

It was a dead rubber, he gave game time to squad players that needed it and managed to rest the entire first team in a busy period.

We could have won but we didn't. We didn't get battered either. It's smart management IMO.

Ole would have played Bruno, Mctominay and Rashford at 60 minutes because we weren't winning.

No he wouldn't. He overplayed them, but that would only be during games where he rested them in say the caraboa cup or against a bottom 3 side we were expected to beat. He did this exact same thing away in the Europa league at Astana where we lost 2-1 with this side:
Grant; Laird, Tuanzebe, Bernard, Shaw; Garner (Ramazani 85), Levitt; Chong (Mellor 65), Lingard, Gomes (Galbraith 89); Greenwood.

 

[rooneyberbatov]

Too many replies to respond to each individually.

I didn't mean to be negative about the new manager (or to big up Ole) I just found it quite funny reading the comments last night after seeing the lineup. It was a terrible XI – not the young players, more so the use of the senior players – the game panned out as bad as expected and pretty much nothing was changed during the game. It was exactly as if Ole was still in charge but post-match the praise continued as if it was some sort of genius management.

Baffled me a bit.

This young team that had barely played with each other with Mata and Matic showed better football than our first XI against Aston Villa or Watford.

 

[youngrell]

It was a dead rubber, he gave game time to squad players that needed it and managed to rest the entire first team in a busy period.

We could have won but we didn't. We didn't get battered either. It's smart management IMO.

Ole would have played Bruno, Mctominay and Rashford at 60 minutes because we weren't winning.

I'm not really arguing about the fact he played fringe or young players, or the fact we didn't win. That was fine and understandable. It was a poor choice of lineup with the players he did use, though. I mean even sticking Matic in midfield next to Donny and having Mengi start would have been an easy upgrade on what we did have.

I just found it funny that, despite it being a very poor lineup, it was praised to high heaven and still maintained praise after it being really bad. I prefer to call a spade a spade, rather than be blind to any criticism because the manager is new and shiny.

 

[SonyaCross493]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed right now at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag (or whoever gets the job) has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I'm not really arguing about the fact he played fringe or young players, or the fact we didn't win. That was fine and understandable. It was a poor choice of lineup with the players he did use, though. I mean even sticking Matic in midfield next to Donny and having Mengi start would have been an easy upgrade on what we did have.

I just found it funny that, despite it being a very poor lineup, it was praised to high heaven and still maintained praise after it being really bad. I prefer to call a spade a spade, rather than be blind to any criticism because the manager is new and shiny.

I guess he didn't trust Mengi to play the whole match, and with no other midfield options available it was the only way to make it work. It's a shame Hannibal wasn't here as I think he would have started over Mata.

 

[Blood Mage]

You have to bear in mind that McKenna is still helping to coach this team, I don't think there will be a massive difference in our performances until Rangnick gets his own people in. I hope he convinces Jesse Marsch to come in addition to Armas and Lense.

 

[Josh 76]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Are are you being serious. ?
How the feck was he supposed to get the team he picked last night to press? He’s probably not even seen half of them. That game last night was nothing game. Rangnick was probably more interested in todays training session with the first team than last night. To be honest he most likely didn’t even want to be their.

Shocking post!

 

[stefan92]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Usually he should have the balls, but he also said you can't change everything at once, and I believe that's a fair statement. However he now has seen his whole squad in action in his first two games, so he should have a good first impression how everyone is reacting to him and his orders.

Let's see how he will line up in the next games before we conclude that he doesn't have balls.

 

[Relevated]

You have to bear in mind that McKenna is still helping to coach this team, I don't think there will be a massive difference in our performances until Rangnick gets his own people in. I hope he convinces Jesse Marsch to come in addition to Armas and Lense.

But from what it sounds like, Rangnick is a lot more hands on compared to Ole.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

Any reasonable person wouldn't complain if Ole put that team out and got a 1-1 draw. The result didn't matter, the way they played was also basically irrelevant given that it was a completely second string and youth team.

He's literally been our manager for about a week, did you honestly expect this team (who have zero familiarity of playing matches with each other) to look like a well drilled side? Sort out your expectations

 

[reddevil1510]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed right now at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag (or whoever gets the job) has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Ole was starting to get criticism after having had two full seasons of time. A manager should be judged after a few months (6 months may be but not sure). So if all what you are saying like no pressing, no radical changes happen with Rangnick towards the end of the season, then you have valid points. Ole had his time here and failed in getting us to the next step. Lets move on.

 

[Relevated]

Ole wouldn’t have put that team out, as that would have meant actually giving youth a chance. The game was poor but it was still a draw after all the changes, while Young Boys were pushing for a win to stay in Europe.

Ole and his FIRST 11 OF BEST players played worse than our 17, 18, 19 year olds against a YB who had no reason to win that first game. Imagine that. Our kids and pensioners doing better against a team who're actually chasing the win.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Are are you being serious. ?
How the feck was he supposed to get the team he picked last night to press? He’s probably not even seen half of them. That game last night was nothing game. Rangnick was probably more interested in todays training session with the first team than last night. To be honest he most likely didn’t even want to be their.

Shocking post!

Agree, crazy post. This was his second match with a completely rotated team. We already saw in first game how quickly the peformance can change, almost straight away. Lets all just stop with the knee jerks or Ole comparisons. He has a vision for the team, lets allow him to implement and see how it evolves. I feel confident in that at least we have a manager with a deep understanding of modern tactics. something we clearly did not have before.

 

[Buster15]

Very interesting what he is saying about Greenwood. That he needs to be developed physically which is something that many United supporters would probably agree with. He certainly needs to become much more actively involved in the game and his physical development will definitely help.
And of course Rangnick knows about developing young strikers.
Greenwood has all the natural ability to become a real top striker.

 

[Witchking]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed right now at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag (or whoever gets the job) has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Was not expecting people to bite for such a bad attempt. Good job.

 

[Nordmore]

Too many replies to respond to each individually.

I didn't mean to be negative about the new manager (or to big up Ole) I just found it quite funny reading the comments last night after seeing the lineup. It was a terrible XI – not the young players, more so the use of the senior players – the game panned out as bad as expected and pretty much nothing was changed during the game. It was exactly as if Ole was still in charge but post-match the praise continued as if it was some sort of genius management.

Baffled me a bit.

Yeah agreed with you. I'm really happy with the appointment of Rangnick but it's quite funny to read all that.

 

[sglowrider]

I'm not really arguing about the fact he played fringe or young players, or the fact we didn't win. That was fine and understandable. It was a poor choice of lineup with the players he did use, though. I mean even sticking Matic in midfield next to Donny and having Mengi start would have been an easy upgrade on what we did have.

I just found it funny that, despite it being a very poor lineup, it was praised to high heaven and still maintained praise after it being really bad. I prefer to call a spade a spade, rather than be blind to any criticism because the manager is new and shiny.

The Recency Effect: the tendency to remember the most recently presented information best.

 

[Godfather]

Was not expecting people to bite for such a bad attempt. Good job.

I'd be surprised if that was a WUM. Some lunatics around here.

 

[KingCavani]

100% agree, last night we would've seen either Bruno and/or Maguire start for sure. Saying that, if Ole was still in charge, last night would've seen a full strength XI as we'd probably have needed to get a result to qualify.

Ole giving youth a chance is an exaggeration, people will likely throw Williams' name at me but Shaw was frequently injured at the time and we didn't have any back up LB. Greenwood was always going to make the first team sooner or later, Jose wanted him training with the first team when he was 15! In fact, Ole did more harm than good with youth, he blocked the pathway for the likes of Elanga, Mejbri and Amad by hoarding players in those positions, players like Martial, Lingard and Mata should've been sold last summer or the one before and those players promoted to squad positons.

100%.

Van Gaal was the last manager to truly give youth a chance albeit even that was through injury, but he did reduce the squad size so that young players would be next in line. It's actually crazy that Rashford only got his chance because Will Keane got injured days before.

Ole actually increased the size of an already bloated squad and didn't give extended opportunities to anyone. It was obvious even during Mourinho's tenure that Mason was special and was a year or so away. Ole was far worse than even Jose in terms of loyalty to his favourites - It was just ridiculous in the end the form he was playing those guys through.

 

[Sviken]

Ole and his FIRST 11 OF BEST players played worse than our 17, 18, 19 year olds against a YB who had no reason to win that first game. Imagine that. Our kids and pensioners doing better against a team who're actually chasing the win.

Not only played worse, we were utterly dominated in that game and made Young Boys look like Bayern.

 

[Rightnr]

It's quite funny. Some of the comments after the lineup last night in contrast to if Ole had put that team out were unbelievable. And the positivity still after sitting through that abomination of a game.

I mean, I am all for optimism, god knows this place needs it, but the double standards are mental.

What kind of bullshit is this? Our previous manager was basically allowed 2 years of a honeymoon where any criticism was attacked as if people were kicking and killing kittens en masse and Rangnick uses the one free shot game he has to assess our super bloated squad (left to him by the previous incompetent regime) and all of a sudden it's double standards.

Some of you really like spouting nonsense and I'll be here to call you out on your whataboutisms.

 

[el3mel]

It's quite funny. Some of the comments after the lineup last night in contrast to if Ole had put that team out were unbelievable. And the positivity still after sitting through that abomination of a game.

I mean, I am all for optimism, god knows this place needs it, but the double standards are mental.

This game was dead rubber. The manager was throwing youngsters to give them some run time. Why should we care about the performance or lineup in it?

Ole gave us some of the most humiliating defeats we have witnessed as United fans. There's no double standards.

 

[MUFC OK]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed right now at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag (or whoever gets the job) has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Why do we have to go down this road? Ole isn't the manager anymore, he was given ample opportunity to put his print on the team and develop a style of play yet it got worse over time. He was deservedly sacked for the performance this season. The moments comment is brainless - the goal yesterday was well worked from a wide position.

Rangnick has been here 1 week and there are already some who can't wait to jump on him - for what? A team of reserves who are lacking match fitness not delivering a scintillating lesson in high pressing football

Give him a chance to see the players at his disposal and implement his tactics and please stop mentioning Ole.

 

[RedSky]

Ole gave us some of the most humiliating defeats we have witnessed as United fans. There's no double standards.

Every Manager has to be fair. Shit happens.

 

[MUFC OK]

What kind of bullshit is this? Our previous manager was basically allowed 2 years of a honeymoon where any criticism was attacked as if people were kicking and killing kittens en masse and Rangnick uses the one free shot game he has to assess our super bloated squad (left to him by the previous incompetent regime) and all of a sudden it's double standards.

Some of you really like spouting nonsense and I'll be here to call you out on your whataboutisms.

Bang on. Some fans are still really upset that Ole didnt work out and want to point fingers. We were beyond patient with him and he had to go.

 

[el3mel]

Anyone analyzing yesterday game seriously or trying to use it to criticize Ralf must have a hard look at themselves in the mirror.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Let's be fair.. If that was Ole managing the game last night you'd have loads of criticism about Ole-ball, Moments FC relying on moments with Greenwood goal etc but when you have a fancy name big reputation German manager who is the godfather of Gegenpressing (I didn't see ANY pressing last night from these teenagers who should be full of energy eager to impress.. I saw more pressing on Sunday from a 37 year-old Ronaldo), the professor etc he gets away with it.

I think Fred and Donny would work great together in the pivot 2 but I don't know if Rangnick has the balls to pull the trigger. He doesn't seem a manager who likes to make radical changes (that are needed right now at this football club) whether it's picking a new captain, dropping Maguire or splitting up McFred and playing Donny. I hope Poch or Ten Haag (or whoever gets the job) has more balls for the big decisions in the summer.

Ummmmmkkkk.

 

[Giggs' right foot]

Anyone analyzing yesterday game seriously or trying to use it to criticize Ralf must have a hard look at themselves in the mirror.

Can be hard, with all the fecking clown makeup they’re permanently wearing.

 

[sglowrider]

Ole gave us some of the most humiliating defeats we have witnessed as United fans. There's no double standards.

You must be a young lad or have poor memory. Fergie has had some pretty humiliating defeats too.

6-1 to City,
6-3 to Soton,
5-0 to Newcastle, Chelsea,
1-4 to Scousers,
3-0 to York,

Just to name a few.

 

[McGrathsipan]

I wasnt impressed.

That was like a charity match last night and I'm baffled as to why he chose to play so many of the youngsters and Mata.
I cant see many of them players featuring much over the season

I'll judge the new manager in May all the same.

 

[DWelbz19]

Ummmmmkkkk.

Check the post history, this person really doesn’t like Rangnick.

 

[macheda14]

I wasnt impressed.

That was like a charity match last night and I'm baffled as to why he chose to play so many of the youngsters and Mata.
I cant see many of them players featuring much over the season

I'll judge the new manager in May all the same.

Who else should he have played? The first team?

 

[el3mel]

You must be a young lad or have poor memory. Fergie has had some pretty humiliating defeats too.

6-1 to City,
6-3 to Soton,
5-0 to Newcastle, Chelsea,
1-4 to Scousers,
3-0 to York,

Just to name a few.

Enough of this 6-1 nonsense. The game was 3-1 up till 90th minute and we had a man down the entire second half.

The 2-0 loss to City under Ole this season was far more humiliating than the 6-1 you keep mentioning. We were pathetic and didn't put any fight while City was just passing the ball in between saving their energy for harder games.

It's not just listing some big results. The manner of defeat is what matters. Ole's United was a pathetic team who got humiliated by its two biggest rivals at home without showing any fight or fire in them.

 

[MUFC OK]

You must be a young lad or have poor memory. Fergie has had some pretty humiliating defeats too.

6-1 to City,
6-3 to Soton,
5-0 to Newcastle, Chelsea,
1-4 to Scousers,
3-0 to York,

Just to name a few.

In a 26 year career.

Ole had
6-1 Spurs
5-0 liverpool
4-2 Leicester
4-1 Watford
4-0 Everton
2-1 Istanbul
2-1 Young Boys
2-0 Burnley
2-0 Cardiff City.

All in under 3 years..

 

[RedC]

It's quite funny. Some of the comments after the lineup last night in contrast to if Ole had put that team out were unbelievable. And the positivity still after sitting through that abomination of a game.

I mean, I am all for optimism, god knows this place needs it, but the double standards are mental.

Context.