Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Nothing would please me more that to see utter ABU clowns like Merson, Souness, Murphy made to eat humble pie by him
I spied Eric Ramsay among the coaches on that training vid from earlier.
Looks like Fletcher is front and centre as a coach now.
Looks like Fletcher is front and centre as a coach now.
He needs to keep some of the old DNA guardians for political reasons that even if he wants to replace them, he wouldnt. Can you imagine the bitternerss of all the pundits if some german came and replaced all of their mates with his own staffs?
Oh their xenophobia would hit new heights
That lad is fecking horrendous to listen to, managed 20 seconds, by that point I think he was already suffering from oxygen deficiency.
The Professor's RB Leipzig dismantled Man City. I am looking forward to what he can do againt Guardiola.
As good as Spain was at Tiki-taka, most games were 1-0, they were hardly prolific on offense. And that was one of the best national team squads ever.
City have under-achieved in Europe, I wonder if that style of play is ideal, even when you have the right players. Only Barca, with one of the best teams ever, with one of best players ever, was able to be prolific on offense in Europe playing Pepball.
Playing the Rangnick way seems much more efficient for getting victories out of any squad.
None. Pundits have generally been in favour of sacking everyone associated with Ole.
No, it wouldn't.
Who are these pundit's mates? Scholes said Carrick should have been sacked along with Ole and none of class of 92 are at club. Only recent ex player who is at the club is Fletcher and he just got new role.
One potential problem I see is if at the end of the season RR wants the job permanently but is not given it. I imagine it being more of an issue if he's fairly successful (top 4, decent CL & FA cup runs).
I think he wants the job for at least next season as he's already mentioned it during an interview. I wonder how he'll take to basically being refused the job & if it might poison his working relationship with the club for his 2yrs consultancy.
He will be one of the people involved in picking next season's manager, I presume with Murtough, Fletcher & maybe a few others. It'll be a weird meeting where everyone votes for their preferred candidate & he's scowling at anyone who doesn't vote for him.
I think he wants the job for at least next season as he's already mentioned it during an interview. I wonder how he'll take to basically being refused the job & if it might poison his working relationship with the club for his 2yrs consultancy.
He will be one of the people involved in picking next season's manager, I presume with Murtough, Fletcher & maybe a few others. It'll be a weird meeting where everyone votes for their preferred candidate & he's scowling at anyone who doesn't vote for him.
The best analogy is being an F1 Driver vs the engineer who designed the car. The engineer usually asked some input from the driver so it is clear that the driver knows some technical stuff but if you try to ask the driver to design a car from the scratch it will be disastrous
Agree with this especially the bolded part, teaching, coaching, mentoring, is a "Skill", the ability to transfer knowledge and understanding of a concept to someone else is not in everyone
I think it will be an agreement, if he'll be successful and will want the job I dont know why the board would refuse.
On the other hand maybe he'll say, I'm done the manager part, I'm now going to be a consultant and help the pick the new manager and everybody happy.
Great stuff he's bringing a sport scientist.
He was surprised in the presser we already dont have one.
I think nobody will care honestly, the spotlight will be on the head-coach, for example, no one cares about Tuchel's backroom staff, when he was appointed, he brought few of his own and kept 2 or 3 of Lampard's coaches, and I do not know what happened this season whether Tuchel brought in new coaches this season or not, and it should not matter really.
In this case, I can see RR keeping McKenna & Ramsey, they are young coaches and they might a thing or two from RR and be an asset for the incoming new manager next summer or remain under RR if he is given longer term.
Edit: for Phelan, I doubt he stays beyond next summer, Carrick has left already, and Fletcher has his role upstairs working with John Murtough, and the rest of them will be assessed by RR, that's all there is to it.
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Fletcher, McKenna, Phelan, I cant see any of them leaving unless they asked for it like Carrick. These people have been at the club for a long time, replacing them will raise eyebrows of other people who also have been at the club for a very long time, including some of the ex players and pundits.
Ralf cant afford to do that. And its not neccesarily because theyre british - Moyes brought in his own staffs and got criticized for it eventhough he was handpicked by Sir Alex. Both van Gaal and Jose as crazy as they were, knew there had to be United people around him, they had Giggs and Carrick.
Its not about nationality. It has something to do with change. And its a change after how many years now..? 20 years+. It will always be hard to take. It needs to happen gradually and Im sure Ralf is smart enough to recognize it. Change every familiar faces in an instant and he puts himself at risk to be criticized for every single mistake he does, much more harshly than if he didnt. And the argument for those can easily be justified by a simple "he tried to change United".
Yes. And change them with another people that fits the United way. I doubt they fancied Ralf appointment. Its a drastic change that hopefully turns out to be successful over time. Van Gaal and Jose were changes in manager and even that already sent some of the ex players into a frenzy. This time its a complete revamp should Ralf really be given that much power to be alongside or even above John and Fletcher.
If he were to get us playing well and a couple of good cup runs (or even a win) then it will make things difficult. I think in that scenario I'd be more inclined to stick with him than go for Rodgers.
But if ten Haag is available we have to go for him. He's one of the few managers out there who might be able to compete consistently with Pep and Klopp.
He has added 6 youngsters to our CL squad. Nice to see some actual youth promotion.
Noticed something different watching the weekly training videos on the official site. The keepers were actively involved in the one touch passing drills - very intriguing
Ah yes, the specialist set piece coach - zero goals scored from set pieces since he joined.
Have our defensive set piece stats improved though?
Fletcher can have his chance, he hasn't failed us. McKenna, by all accounts is amateurish in his approach and I don't think Phelan does anything anyway.
Ironic that we keep around coaches that have failed but allowed Moyes to clear out coaches that has won the league the year before when he joined
I think he will remain in place until the point that his natural successor becomes available and he will be happy to step aside.
Fletcher can have his chance, he hasn't failed us. McKenna, by all accounts is amateurish in his approach and I don't think Phelan does anything anyway.
Ironic that we keep around coaches that have failed but allowed Moyes to clear out coaches that has won the league the year before when he joined
none of us know how good any of Kieran McKenna, Darren Fletcher, Mike Phelan or any of the coaching staff are at their roles individually. Unless you work at the club, your thinking about what Mike Phelan does has no substance.
Ralf Rangnick will be in pole position to assess the quality of these coaches, as is John Murtaugh.
It's probably a classic case of "I have one friend who backed Ole who was criticizing Ragnick's approach after the Palace game, and now I exaggerate that sentiment to apply to ALL fans who backed Ole because I lack perspective"
Yeah. Its been interesting to see how much Fletcher is doing.
You could see him doing stuff on the training ground under Ole. However, under Rangnick, from what little we see of the training, it looks like he's doing more now. Also, very visible on the touchline giving instructions during games.
Fletcher and McKenna looked like the main assistants against Palace. That could change now Rangnick's brought in a couple of his own people. However, they seem to be the ones Rangnick is relying on most.
I wonder if Fletcher sees his career going down the Zidane route? I remember Madrid started Zidane as a Special Adviser to Mourinho, then he became Technical Director, then he joined Ancelotti's coaching team and then he became the coach himself. Fletcher might be seeing this as an opportunity to carve out a bigger role for himself in the future. Especially as, although they're meant to be equals, Murtough is clearly taking the lead with the off field stuff e.g., Murtough alone was quoted in the press release when we announced Rangnick, Murtough was the one seen showing Rangnick around Old Trafford for all the promo shots. From the outside, it doesn't feel like Murtough and Fletcher are a duo. Maybe Fletch thinks making himself a big part of matchdays is a way to have a proper role?
Fletcher was just promoted to new role few months ago and he played the role alongside Murtough in interviewing the managers for interim role.
McKenna is not friend of any ex player, he was highly rated youth coach we signed from Spurs, he did excellent job for U18s and was promoted when Jose's trusted man Rui Faria left in 2018-19 season. Carrick was still an active player when Jose took over, it was at the end of 2017-18 season when Carrick was a coach + player. It was Jose's decision to retain him as he was involved in dealing with players individually like Fred and Pogba explained.
Regarding Giggs, there was reports that Van Gaal always retained one staff to know the team and young players better. Van Gaal brought lot of his own staff.
Every manager we had got free pass to change everything, Moyes did it by changing whole ManUtd staff, Van Gaal did it by bringing his own staff, Jose did it by brining his own staff and promoting few from with in. Ralf Rangnick also got that chance but it's bit different as he will be in this role for 6 months.
Roy Keane criticized Carrick when Ole left, Scholes said Carrick should have been sacked. I don't get who are these "mates" who will be outraged by the change. Everyone is calling the club to press a hard reset when it comes to coaching staff. Also they are not at club in their role for many years, Phelan, McKenna, Carrick are coaches for 3 years only, they can be easily sacked if Rangnick wants them gone.
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I wouldn't say that he is clueless. He is just steeped in the old fashioned ways, which worked at that time.
Clubs like LFC and MCFC have moved on and we need to move on, too, to compete with the best teams in the world.
Some fans (who suggested that Ole or Evra become DoF) think that being sentimental will win you games - those are fans are deluded.
I think he is clueless because of the reasons you stated there. Hes not in tune with the modern game and I am unsure if he has pedigree to execute tactics well if he were to deploy a familiar style of play.
We're getting the band back together
For fecks sake
Isn't this supposed to be Phelan's role?
I think Ralf has realized the depth of the mess we are in and has had to pull out the big guns now. This is needed. A total footballing overhaul. Nice.
Nevertheless, whether one is adept at teaching or not, the individual has to show that they are at least intimately familiar with the complexities of the thing which they do. It is one thing to suppose that Ole lacked the communicative aspects in which to translate his 'vision' across, but what do we do with his infamous sound-byte in which he, in a rather reductionistic fashion, bemoaned the notion of coaches emphasising 'intricacies', and 'overarching philosophies'? It was near ridicule. We have it on his own words, immortalised on video, that he simply does not believe football to be more complex at the elite level than, and I quote, "passion", "that desire to get on the end of the cross", "the desire to win the ball", and "football is a simple game."
It's quite clear even if Ole does lack teaching, coaching, and mentoring skill, it doesn't account for his severely out-dated, and quite frankly, out-of-touch criticisms of the modern elite game in the first instance.
What's next, 115 years even older mentor comes out of retirement to join old mentor Helmut Gross.
The punditry have been questioning the quality of the staff for a while now.
Anyway, I really like what he has been saying so far. I know it's the honeymoon period but it was absolutely tinpot we didn't have a sports psychologist employed.
I dont know much about this Groß guy, he doesn't have a wikipedia page, but Stuttgart is a pretty good outfit. Even though he's old, it's only temporary so it's okay, for now.
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Mans gonna have a stroke when he sees Maguire trying to defend and Wan Bissaka trying to put in a cross.
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