Raising funds: Who can we sell for an actual fee?

Ive seen this a fair few times in transfer threads. People valuing jones at 40m etc.
When you look at the players who we might sell:
Valencia young are free transfers
Darmian and rojo are worth nominal fees
Jones is worth about 10m.
Mata and herrera have value but will likely leave for free now
 
Red00012 said:
Ok your counter argument makes perfect sense . I stand corrected
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There is nothing to counter argue b/c you didn't make an argument. You just made up nonsense that the evil American owners just take any money raised from transfer funds, even though simple fact checking would tell you this is not the case.
 
MackRobinson said:
There is nothing to counter argue b/c you didn't make an argument. You just made up nonsense that the evil American owners just take any money raised from transfer funds, even though simple fact checking would tell you this is not the case.
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The Glaziers have extracted 1 billion out of Utd since the takeover, but yes you are correct.
 
sam147 said:
We dont need to raise funds. We make plenty of revenue. Whats more important is who can we bring in and who is of value. If we sign Wan Bissaka, Ndombele, Rabiot, Sancho for 200-220m. And Real Madrid come in for Pogba, then it wouldn't be a major loss if we ask for players in return. Varane+Bale for Pogba is acceptable, providing we strenghten the squad with key signings. No midfielder on the planet can do what Pogba does, however this does not mean the team cannot be more efficient without Pogba. If we add players like Ndombele and Rabiot who can pass efficiently and a forward like Bale as well as Sancho who can provide output, then not only will we score and produce more but we will be far more effective as a unit.
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United definitely need to raise funds. The only teams that don't need to are PSG and City for obvious reasons. Revenue isn't only meant to be spent on transfers (there are other costs associated with running a club). Also raising funds also entails lowering the wage bill and that is certainly important.
 
Red00012 said:
The Glaziers have extracted 1 billion out of Utd since the takeover, but yes you are correct.
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That is not true. That 1 billion figure being throwing around is the estimated total cost over the lifetime of the debt, which doesn't include refinancing (which has happened) and selling shares (which has happened). The Glazers didn't take dividend payments for almost a decade after buying the club, and even when they did they payments were in the 10s of millions of pounds. Stop letting "fans" with an agenda tell you lies. Like I said, simple fact checking.
 
MackRobinson said:
That is not true. That 1 billion figure being throwing around is the estimated total cost over the lifetime of the debt, which doesn't include refinancing (which has happened) and selling shares (which has happened). The Glazers didn't take dividend payments for almost a decade after buying the club, and even when they did they payments were in the 10s of millions of pounds. Stop letting "fans" with an agenda tell you lies. Like I said, simple fact checking.
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Fair enough Joel.
 
Sell if they are unsettled / want high fee:
Pogba: 130m
DDG: 80m

Sell if we need funds for 'better fitting' players:
Lukaku: 60m
Fred: 30m
Romero: 15m

Sell by choice:
Pereira: 10m
TFM: 10m
Rojo: 10m

I'd rather not sell Pogba and DDG, but the rest could fetch about 130m with a bit of luck. 30m if we just sell deadwood. We have already sold Fellaini for about 10m so it's 40m really.

If Rashford and Martial step up and we promote Greenwood, we can manage without Lukaku, ideally I'd keep him though. But if we're entering a clear rebuilding stage as opposed to challenging for the title, we might as well sell them all. 140m in sales, get rid of Sanchez, Mata, Valencia and Darmian on frees. Combined with 2 seasons worth of transfer budgets and we're close to 350m to spend.
That could buy: RB (Meunier), RW (Sancho), DM (Neves/Rice), CB (Koulibaly) and 2 CMs (Eriksson, Rabiot).

We would spend one season struggling to adapt to the changes, then hopefully challenge the following year.

EDIT: My maths are a bit out there...:lol: Maybe Erikkson is a step too far...
 
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Being realistic i think we would get:

Darmian - 5m
Pereira - 10m
Rojo - 7m
TFM - 10m

The rest would probably leave on frees. I'd feck Matic off tbh. Maybe 15m, 20 tops.
 
Kostov said:
I'd sell Lingard for about 15-20m.
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I disagree. I think Lingard is an important player. When he starts in our front 3, he leads the press (Spurs away in the league, Arsenal away in the cup). It became clear that we missed his pressing in the 2-0 loss vs Arsenal in the league.

Would be foolish to let him leave just to make our net spend look prettier.
 
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I don't know about the rest, but let me just say that if Pogba leaves for anything less than 200m then we've been mugged again. He should go for at least world record fee. No other midfield player in the world has such a high ceiling, and a player worth "building a United team around", should be valued as such.
 
We don't need the cash, we have plenty of it.

But if we absolutely have to, just offload the ones who's contracts are expiring and sell Pogba & DDG. Whilst both are our two best players, they're weirdly replaceable. Romero always looks decent when we play him and I barely notice Dave isn't there.

Pogba will be missed for the 4 games in 10 when he can be arsed showing up, but we can also be rid of his morale sucking shite like when he's making out there are steps upward from United, his comments whilst away on international duty have undone quite a bit of optimism about the clubs direction for me. That is not a good thing for the young lads coming through to be hearing, or any potential inbound transfers. I don't want our best player denigrating the club in a back handed way by implying his dream and everybody else's is somewhere else. United should be the pinnacle of a players career, not a stepping stone and we really need to stop accepting the Spanish clubs position as the dream destination and stop signing players this applies to, regardless of whether it limits the ability of players we go for.

I'd probably chop in Martial whilst we're at it too, his sulky face and number of indifferent performances seem to be outweighing his world beating ones significantly. The lad is no more consistent than he was when we first signed him. We'd probably get the best part of £250m for those three plus some lose change from some of the other dross that's clogging up the space behind the subs bench.

Only problem I can see is we'd probably end up spending £200m replacing the 3 with equal talents without addressing the other gaping holes in the side. The question I suppose then would be whether we can do better or find better matches for what we're trying to do and how we want to play and, whether we really want to be scrapping the plan and rebooting again at this point.
 
Fred, Bailly, Rojo and Shaw would all get good fees. None of them would be missed IMO.

We gave new contracts to Smalling and Jones so I doubt they’ll be off now. But if they are, we should be looking at 25-30m each all things considered.

Obviously Pogba, Martial and Lukaku would get big fees but surely we wouldn’t consider selling them.
 
Rozay said:
Realistically, I think the following players may have suitors willing to pay an acceptable fee, and we would be open to selling:

- Bailly - still young, hasn’t been integral at all this season, and I suspect we’d do business at around €25m-30m, which I think teams will pay for him.

- Pereira - his long term future is far from certain, and I think we would accept around £10m-£15m fee for him, which we would get within the PL.

- Darmian - we’ve been rejecting bids for him for a year so I imagine nobody at the club actually wants to sell him! I imagine he’ll go back to Italy for pennies on the dollar in the summer.

- Matic - I don’t suppose he’s for sale, but I also suspect the club wouldn’t obstruct if he wanted a new scene, and we’d let him go for about £10m-£12m I reckon.

- Fosu-Mensah - reckon we’d sell him for about £8m.

- Sanchez - I suspect we’d take anything that means we don’t have to keep paying him every week.

The rest are either out of contract or players we wouldn’t consider selling, so the above are the ones I think could be sold to raise funds.
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Darmian is a very strange one now that you mentioned him.
 
Jezpeza said:
Ive seen this a fair few times in transfer threads. People valuing jones at 40m etc.
When you look at the players who we might sell:
Valencia young are free transfers
Darmian and rojo are worth nominal fees
Jones is worth about 10m.
Mata and herrera have value but will likely leave for free now
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Jones for 10m on a long contract :wenger:

We may not sell him for 40m but he'll improve most teams defensively and is an England international. You get a good price for those in this market.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
I disagree. I think Lingard is an important player. When he starts in our front 3, he leads the press (Spurs away in the league, Arsenal away in the cup). It became clear that we missed his pressing in the 2-0 loss vs Arsenal in the league.

Would be foolish to let him leave just to make our net spend look prettier.
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The purpose of this thread was to discuss raising funds, not about the net spend looking prettier.

If we can get some decent fee for him we should sell him. He’s not good enough and his place should be taken by a youngster.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
I disagree. I think Lingard is an important player. When he starts in our front 3, he leads the press (Spurs away in the league, Arsenal away in the cup). It became clear that we missed his pressing in the 2-0 loss vs Arsenal in the league.

Would be foolish to let him leave just to make our net spend look prettier.
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exactly, people calling for him to go don't understand or appreciate what he brings to the team.
 
The more one scrutinizes our team, the more worried one gets. We really don't have much wotld class quality to be honest.
Sad to say it but it will take something special to catch City.
We were second last season. We should have built on that without holding back.
 
Negan said:
Fred, Bailly, Rojo and Shaw would all get good fees. None of them would be missed IMO.

We gave new contracts to Smalling and Jones so I doubt they’ll be off now. But if they are, we should be looking at 25-30m each all things considered.

Obviously Pogba, Martial and Lukaku would get big fees but surely we wouldn’t consider selling them.
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You're trying too hard mate...
 
deadrevelz said:
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You're trying too hard mate...
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Why would he be missed? He’s registered 5 assists in 5 seasons.

Robertson and Arnold are having a competition about who’ll have the most assists this season ffs.
 
Lingers is probably a £60m player at today’s rates if not more.

Sancho is quoted at £100m+ because he is 18 and English but he isn’t necessarily better than Lingard yet. Hudson-Odoi is quotes at £40m and has done nothing in his career yet.

In the same sentence some on here would have Zaha for £60m who failed at Utd and never attracted serious interest since yet they would sell a homegrown player who is a big part of the dressing room and has scored winning goals in big games for £15-20m.
 
sparx99 said:
Lingers is probably a £60m player at today’s rates if not more.

Sancho is quoted at £100m+ because he is 18 and English but he isn’t necessarily better than Lingard yet. Hudson-Odoi is quotes at £40m and has done nothing in his career yet.

In the same sentence some on here would have Zaha for £60m who failed at Utd and never attracted serious interest since yet they would sell a homegrown player who is a big part of the dressing room and has scored winning goals in big games for £15-20m.
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Sancho and Hudson-Odoi are all about potential. We don’t know what their limits are. They will presumably get better. They could be world class in the future, and a big part of the fees quoted is that bet on the future. Lingard is 26. This is pretty much his level. He isn’t going to get significantly better. To me, he’s £30m at best.
 
Unfortunately I think De Gea will leave. Probably,finally, for Real Madrid. It’s been dragging on for far too long and Zidane doesn’t seem happy with his GK options, despite Courtois signing he’s not even second choice now it seems.
Maybe some kind of swap will occur. Wouldn’t be ideal though but big Dave has been out of sorts for some time now.
 
sparx99 said:
Lingers is probably a £60m player at today’s rates if not more.

Sancho is quoted at £100m+ because he is 18 and English but he isn’t necessarily better than Lingard yet.
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Lingard wouldn't attract interest from any top sides, and none of the teams who would be interested in him, such as the likes of Southampton, would pay anywhere near that.

Sancho is much better than him as well. We'd never be remotely interested in Lingard if he played elsewhere. He's nowhere near good enough.
 
If we are to sell Pogba we definitely need a player from Madrid in the deal. Agree with Minimalist we have some players with currency. As with De Gea, he's been magnificent but he's been out of sorts lately and with the fee we would get for him from Madrid we could get a great keeper for a portion of that fee and then of course use that for other targets.
 
We should be looking to do some smart business when buying players for a change.

We really should have tried to get Ramsey on a free and should be chasing players like Alderweireld. We could easily upgrade the squad without spending very much and then just have one or two expensive signings.
 
Hughes35 said:
We should be looking to do some smart business when buying players for a change.

We really should have tried to get Ramsey on a free and should be chasing players like Alderweireld. We could easily upgrade the squad without spending very much and then just have one or two expensive signings.
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That's what Juventus did well, and what led to their current period of domination. That's what we should be doing as well, but we don't seem to have the necessary guile for it.

I mean, we need massive improvements, and at least two additions, in midfield. If we were smart we'd be signing Rabiot on a free and bringing in quality alongside him. We won't though.
 
An Irish Red said:
That's what Juventus did well, and what led to their current period of domination. That's what we should be doing as well, but we don't seem to have the necessary guile for it.

I mean, we need massive improvements, and at least two additions, in midfield. If we were smart we'd be signing Rabiot on a free and bringing in quality alongside him. We won't though.
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I agree 100%. I don't know who is blame though. Managers, Woodward or the scouting?

I mean, everybody knows about these players so it's not like to need to be a football expert to spot that Rabiot is a good player and coming to the end of his contract. It always amazes me that in an industry with so much money, these businesses are so bad at managing their spending and income on the player side.
 
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