We dont need to raise funds. We make plenty of revenue. Whats more important is who can we bring in and who is of value. If we sign Wan Bissaka, Ndombele, Rabiot, Sancho for 200-220m. And Real Madrid come in for Pogba, then it wouldn't be a major loss if we ask for players in return. Varane+Bale for Pogba is acceptable, providing we strenghten the squad with key signings. No midfielder on the planet can do what Pogba does, however this does not mean the team cannot be more efficient without Pogba. If we add players like Ndombele and Rabiot who can pass efficiently and a forward like Bale as well as Sancho who can provide output, then not only will we score and produce more but we will be far more effective as a unit.
Raising funds: Who can we sell for an actual fee?
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Darmian 8-12M
Rojo 8-12M
Bailly 25M
Fred 30-40M
Get Sanchez, Valencia and Mata off the wage books by letting contracts expire/giving free transfers to other clubs (Sanchez will be tough).
Rojo 8-12M
Bailly 25M
Fred 30-40M
Get Sanchez, Valencia and Mata off the wage books by letting contracts expire/giving free transfers to other clubs (Sanchez will be tough).
Really?
Right now we could sell De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Lukaku for massive fees. Shaw, Smalling, Lindelof, and Lingard would all go for big fees. And there would be decent returns on a number of other players.
Seems like an excessively pessimistic perspective.
Freds reputation has plummeted during this year, and with a long contract on £120k per week we will not get that for him.
We paid 50M for him. I'd wager a decent bet we could recoup 30m. The market is bonkers right now.
Exactly this right here. We aren't a selling club. We don't need to sell players to finance purchases and rarely sell players at a profit. With that being said, I imagine we'll see players like Rojo and Darmien sold, but not much else. At least nothing that's really going to bring in a big transfer fee...
Who do you think is paying that for Darmian?
- We are yet to trigger our option to extend him for another year while we have done so for DDG & Pereira suggesting that we may let him walk for nought in the summer
- his biggest suitors have bought Cancelo last summer
- he turns 30 this Dec & has hardly featured this season
I'm not sure we'd get more than 10-12M for Smalling or 25M for Lingard, but agree with the rest.
1. Only Chinese clubs would give him the same wage as he is currently on (they have a 100% transferfee tax. So they would have to pay £60m for us to get £30m).
2. Only EPL and some of the other giants in europe could afford that fee, and they will not pay £30m for a player that would not improve their team.
3. Based on what we have seen from Fred, there are many other players around in the same position that would cost a fraction of the price.
Bailly.
Darmian, Jones, Bailly, Rojo, Fosu-Mensah, Pereira and Fred would probably bring in around £100 million and then letting Valencia and Mata go on top is probably around £250K a week saved in wages too so right there is a good clearance.
From then you’re looking quality additions at a right back, centre back, defensive midfielder, Rabiot on a free and a right sided forward to upgrade on the outgoings and improve us in the priority positions going forward into next season.
From then you’re looking quality additions at a right back, centre back, defensive midfielder, Rabiot on a free and a right sided forward to upgrade on the outgoings and improve us in the priority positions going forward into next season.
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This.
Transfer fees in and out are if not irrelevant; pretty darn close.
Our problem today is not lacking money to invest in top players by way of the transfer market. We dont need to sell players to raise more cash.
What we do have is the leagues biggest wage bill without this necessarily reflecting in the quality of the squad.
Its the wage bill that is holding us back from investing in new players. Not money available for transfer fees.
This idea that selling fringe players like Rojo, Jones, and Darmian to raise like 40-50m or even 70-80m would do anything to position us better in the transfer market is naive to put it nicely. Those players are still at the club because they are relatively cheap wage-wise. There is nothing to be gained by selling them from a financial point of view since their upgrades would be more expensive wage-wise.
If OGS decides to revamp the squad (which I dont think he will), the first thing that needs to be done is to get rid of the players that are not performing reflective of their wages. We are talking Sanchez (obviously), Matic, Lukaku, Mata and maybe even Pogba. To put De Gea on 500k a week is also a very sensitive decision that needs to be considered. I love De Gea but there are serious questions if its viable to put a GK on that kinda wage.
This thread is kind of irrelevant to begin with due to what I just stated.
We should slim our squad and wagebill.
Rojo: £5m-£8m. (if we can get him to leave, as he will most likely stay)
Darmian: £4m-£5m. (Some italian club will most likely offer this.)
Fred: £15m-£20m. (worst transfer of the season in the EPL. Long contract, high wage. Not performed well.)
Bailly: £15m-£25m. (With Jones and Smalling on new contracts it seems they are wanted).
Pereira: £7-£10m. (Sell him now or see him leave on a free next summer.)
Rojo: £5m-£8m. (if we can get him to leave, as he will most likely stay)
Darmian: £4m-£5m. (Some italian club will most likely offer this.)
Fred: £15m-£20m. (worst transfer of the season in the EPL. Long contract, high wage. Not performed well.)
Bailly: £15m-£25m. (With Jones and Smalling on new contracts it seems they are wanted).
Pereira: £7-£10m. (Sell him now or see him leave on a free next summer.)
Well I know it isnt really answering your injury question.....but if Michael Keane is worth a £25m fee. I agree he cant stay fit and in my opinion he has actually regressed since we signed him, but I think there are plenty of premiership sides would pay £20m for him
I agree and am sure there is things going on behind the scenes. The things is, if we were for example to bring in four top targets, in todays market, we would defiantely need to raise funds to get the fourth if only for the reason can a £300m spend be justified as a net spend?
You couldnt buy an England Internationals testicle for £7m nowadays, get out of town. I know he was earmarked as a leader, but what has he done to justify being a leader by example in your eyes out of interest as the only thing I see in common with Robson is his injury record.
Good shouts
He's 27.
He turned 29 10 days ago
Born feb 21, 1992.
Talking about Rojo
Never mind then.
No club will pay more than £7 million for a Jack Wilshire, a Sturridge or a Jones. So you have a choice - let them leave for free as has been proved correct decision for Arsenal with Jack injured all season, or keep a hold knowing they can still be top class squad players when not injured as Jones showed today with a very important performance. Jones is one of those rare defenders who'll put his face in to block a shot if he has to. That sets the tone for the rest of the team as to what it means to play for Utd.
None because of the wages unless China calls.
Tiss a miracle we're third in the table.....
It's gonna be even tough to get rid of any player for Man Utd. For some reason, united buy a player and the price just drops completely. I'd say the Realisitic price tags of these players are this.
Jones: £7m (not the best defender but still has plenty to offer for a lower level club)
Valencia: £6m (Hasn't played much but can get the job done enough, price is fair)
Darmian: £6m (Italian teams seem to be interested so this might be a good price off him)
Rojo: £8m (can have great moments, but just not working out for us, can still play for 3-4 more years)
Matic: £4m (Eh)
Sanchez: £10-18m (Reckon its best to just cut our loses on this guy to whoever takes him)
Mata: £7m (still pretty good on the ball, great vision, a club like Southampton, Wolves or even Milan would be good match for him)
theoretical Sells (or at least the fecking Newspaper says so or what it looks like)
Pogba: £160m (World class, WC winner, vital to our team)
DDG: £100m (its bloody obvious why he's this price)
Jones: £7m (not the best defender but still has plenty to offer for a lower level club)
Valencia: £6m (Hasn't played much but can get the job done enough, price is fair)
Darmian: £6m (Italian teams seem to be interested so this might be a good price off him)
Rojo: £8m (can have great moments, but just not working out for us, can still play for 3-4 more years)
Matic: £4m (Eh)
Sanchez: £10-18m (Reckon its best to just cut our loses on this guy to whoever takes him)
Mata: £7m (still pretty good on the ball, great vision, a club like Southampton, Wolves or even Milan would be good match for him)
theoretical Sells (or at least the fecking Newspaper says so or what it looks like)
Pogba: £160m (World class, WC winner, vital to our team)
DDG: £100m (its bloody obvious why he's this price)
If both want to leave and we have no option but to sell then obviously De Gea and Pogba.
But just to raise transfer funds then selling them two might be a step back, as we might end up paying over the odds and potentially not getting any benefit on the next player.
We could get a decent return on Bailly, Pereira, Matic and Rojo. Darmian is a strange one as we have been rejecting bids for him and his probably going to go cheaper this summer.
But just to raise transfer funds then selling them two might be a step back, as we might end up paying over the odds and potentially not getting any benefit on the next player.
We could get a decent return on Bailly, Pereira, Matic and Rojo. Darmian is a strange one as we have been rejecting bids for him and his probably going to go cheaper this summer.
20 m for in form Rojo, 12 m for darmian, Mata is not going to fetch any money with poor contract negotiations. That's about it.
Why do we need to raise funds ? The money goes into the Americans pocket.
Darmian, Rojo, Fred. We can probably get 60-70m for these 3. Lukaku, it's a hard case. He is clearly not Ole's number one striker, and considering the fact that we will bring in a right winger and Martial will keep that left spot, Lukaku may want to leave. I know it's not for him to decide, but that wouldn't be good to keep a player who is not happy being on the bench.
Jones has just signed a new contract and is clearly third in Ole Pecking order, probably 4th behind a new CB, Lindelof and Smalling whatever we may think he will probably stay until Axel Tuanzebe overtakes him 2020-21 season.
Valencia will go on a Free, contract Expires.
Darmian has a year on his contract minimum for a 28 year old - £10M
Rojo has 3 years on his contract - £20M
Nemanja has 1 year on his contract - £15M but United won't sell
Juan end out of contract and a free - No Fee
Ander Herrera Out of contract - Free
Alexis must be offloaded but probably to China who will pay his wages and - £35-50M
If Anoutivic was turned down for £60M!
Pogba would not be sold for less than £180M has 2+1 year left on contract may be allowed to leave the season after.
D De Gea will leave if we don't agree his £350k per week and because he has only 1 year we would probably only get £60-75M
I would add to your list the following; E Baily (injury proun and inconsistent) - £30M
So if you add the £13M Feillani.
We could conceivable lose the following;
All 3 of the Spainish Amigos - De Gea, Mata, Herrera - £75M / 550k per week reduction in wages. Darmian, Rojo, Baily, Valencia - £55M / 250k per week. Alexis will be sold £35M /450k per week off the wages.
That would be 8 players leaving the club and mean that with Feillani's winter departure we would have lost 9 of the first team squad, recoup £175-180M and reduce the wage bill by about £1.4-1.5m per week.
Not going to happen, can see De Gea and Ander being given new deals with Marcus but Mata will leave for a 2 or 3 year contract in Spain. That would mean that with Feilani's sale we would generate about £60-75M which will then be added to the £200M budget because a massive investment would be required to improve the squad from a team that averages 4.8th position in the last 5 seasons since Fergie left - 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd which is why we are hovering between 4th and 5th this year. We lack youth, energy, leadership and midfield creativity.
One Top Elite CB, One young Wing Back, One mobile CDM, One Elite level Right Winger and a world class no 10. The rest will be promoted from within the Youth Set Up.
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Its Jones is worth 30-40million in the market, wouldn't it be better to keep him then?
Nonsensical post.
Darmian - Between 5m-10m
Rojo - ~15m
Bailly - ~25m-30m
Fred - ~30m-35m
Fosu-Mensah - ~5m
Wilson ~ 2m
Don't think we'll be able to get anything for Sanchez. Best case scenario is someone takes him off our hands paying his entire wages. We'll most likely have to subsidize his wages if we were to offload him.
Rojo - ~15m
Bailly - ~25m-30m
Fred - ~30m-35m
Fosu-Mensah - ~5m
Wilson ~ 2m
Don't think we'll be able to get anything for Sanchez. Best case scenario is someone takes him off our hands paying his entire wages. We'll most likely have to subsidize his wages if we were to offload him.
I have a feeling Pogba, Baily, Sanchez, Herrera, Darmian, Rojo, Valencia will all leave this summer. Horror of horrors, De Gea could leave too along with Mata.
If we plan carefully we can actually replace all of them.
We should get Varane plus Cash for Pogba. If not him them Umiti or Alderweireld won't be bad options either. Napoli won't sell Koulibaly for less than 100m, neither would Leicester sell Harry Maguire for anything less than 100m. Otherwise any one of them would have been great for 70 to 80m.
Get Ndombele, Neves if possible and Declan Rice.
Wan-Bisakka we should be prioritising to sign. Jadon Sancho if possible, otherwise both Hirving Lozano and Nicolas Pépé, are great options. Particularly if are set to loose both Sanchez and Mata.
If De Gea leaves for PSG, we should look for nothing less than 100m. Simply reinvest that money on Jan Oblak.
We should also be looking at a left back as backup of Luke Shaw.
If we plan carefully we can actually replace all of them.
We should get Varane plus Cash for Pogba. If not him them Umiti or Alderweireld won't be bad options either. Napoli won't sell Koulibaly for less than 100m, neither would Leicester sell Harry Maguire for anything less than 100m. Otherwise any one of them would have been great for 70 to 80m.
Get Ndombele, Neves if possible and Declan Rice.
Wan-Bisakka we should be prioritising to sign. Jadon Sancho if possible, otherwise both Hirving Lozano and Nicolas Pépé, are great options. Particularly if are set to loose both Sanchez and Mata.
If De Gea leaves for PSG, we should look for nothing less than 100m. Simply reinvest that money on Jan Oblak.
We should also be looking at a left back as backup of Luke Shaw.
No way hes 34 in June and he would only be a free transfer, we wouldnt get a penny for him. He gets caught out of place time and again defending.
Ok your counter argument makes perfect sense . I stand corrected
Realistically we take decent money off Madrid for Pogba either this or next summer, and either pay Dave, or cash in and spend the next 5 or 6 years wishing we'd just payed Dave.