Raheem Sterling

You really should stop crying about 'false equivalencies' whenever some posts a reply that you don't agree with.

It seems clear to me that some of the UK media enjoy having a scapegoat as that sort of lowest common denominator journalism seems to sell papers/attract clicks. Its Sterling at the moment, its been others in the past, including Beckham. Do you disagree with this?

As for this thread? I can't speak for the other posters but there has to be some reason why there is such an illogical and vehement condemnation of Sterling's performances. (I see on the England thread that most Utd fans are putting Sterling in their side for Sweden so perhaps this is just a thread for venting?). Maybe they genuinely believe it, maybe they are just sheep, maybe its because he plays for City and is keeping out Rashford, maybe they just don't really understand football? I would suggest that rather than a BBC social media experiment one of the best indicators will be the likelihood of Southgate dropping Sterling. Do you think this is likely? I would suggest there is virtually no chance of Sterling being dropped as, and I said this originally, he is integral to the team's success. So if its so obvious that Sterling is poor, why is his manager, who stands or falls by his decisions so keen on him?

There is no delusion or victim complex from me. My original post was completely balanced. Victim complex? I think Sterling is quite comfortable with his current position, as a City fan, I am equally happy with Sterling.

With regards to his overall goal record I am struggling to understand how that is relevant to the remainder of the World Cup.

Then stop making stupid comparisons.

You have failed to realise that maybe his poor performances is the reason why he's being criticised to so much, its hilarious you looking for any other reason. If only your intelligence level matched your arrogance, then maybe you'd have been a decent poster.
 
s for this thread? I can't speak for the other posters but there has to be some reason why there is such an illogical and vehement condemnation of Sterling's performances.

Reason is simple, he is having poor world cup. Stop with this "Omg City player is getting unfair treatment on ManUtd forum".

Show me a thread like this on any rival forums, lets discuss how fair this and other forums are to opposition players.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the...t-of-raheem-sterling-shops-at-primark.425985/

Any player who plays poorly is getting criticized, Linfelof who had very good world cup is criticised by few ManUtd fans, Smalling who isn't even in world cup squad is for some reason criticised.

Also Sterling isn't the only player who is getting all the criticism, check Alli's thread.
 
I think Sterling's role is to make selfless runs in behind the defence and into channels to disrupt the defensive shape and create space for Kane and the other midfielders to run into and hopefully receive the ball and get shots away, he made some cracking runs the other night but more often than not the ball wasn't played as the defence / midfield are just playing safe passes sideways to maintain possesion, it may look like little end product but Southgate seems happy enough with his performances and he'll probably still play, he's been nowhere near as effective as he is for City as he's playing a different role but he's not been as bad as some people are making out. Polls on the BBC count for nothing, just read the comments section after games to see some of the idiotic comments that are made.
 
I honestly don't remember seeing Sterling lose the ball that much. I remember Colombian players all over him whenever he received the ball between the lines and still keeping it under control, which I thought was very impressive considering the size difference.

Like you said, he didn't really contribute much attacking wise (no one did bar Kane really), but he did play a nice ball to Lingard on the counter in which Lingard should've done better with. Then again, I was a bag of nerves watching it and some moments flew past me so it's entirely possible that I'm misjudging his performance.

I don't know if there's stats available but I can pretty much guarantee he lost it more than anoyne on the pitch. Usually when a player loses the ball this often, it's because they are trying to create chances so are taking risks whenever they have it, and are either havig a bad game or just aren't very good at it. With Sterling, it isn't even that. So I'm not sure what it is he's doing. He gets played the ball, then just fumbles it back to the opposition whilst not really trying anything. For any other player it would be a nightmare performance, but for Sterling it just seems to have been accepted as the norm for England.

I honestly think all this whining about him being picked on, has created this kind of comfort blanket around him.

To make it more obvious, imagine if Wayne Rooney had been putting in the same performances for Enlgnad that Sterling has, and then imagine what people would be having to say about it.

I completely agree with you in that, at this point, I wouldn't play either Rashford or Sterling as 10s (though I think Rashford could do well in said position one day) but, for the formation Southgate seems intent on sticking with, I get why he's being played there due to his dribbling and counter-attacking threat. I know, we haven't seen him do too well in said role and it's more about hoping he'll put in a good showing there, but I get why. Thinking about it, the only player we have in the squad who's proven to be able to play as a #10 to a good standard is Alli, and he is having a very poor tournament. It's slim pickings - especially with Ox being out who I think would've been a starter for us.

I don't agree with you "pretending he is playing well" comment. We all have different expectations when it comes to football. For me, I don't really rate Sterling that high in general so, with the him also not being a natural #10, I don't expect too much from him and just seeing him keep the ball in the tight situations, contributing to our build-up play when he comes deep, and creating a chance or two is fine by me. I know you don't think he did any of these in the Colombia game but I thought he contributed myself. For some, they need more from a 10 and I think a 10 should offer more, too, but when that 10 is Sterling then I have to adjust my expectations.

That is kind of what I'm getting at though. Expectations seem to be really low for Sterling, to the point he basicallly doesn't HAVE to do anything other than not get sent off or singlehandedly cost us the game. As if it is impossible for us to find anyone better.

In reality, we could play Rashford and have him run in behind defences more, which would alllow Alli more space and probably Kane too, even if Rashford has an average game. We coould play Loftus Cheek and push Alli fully up as a no10, which woould give us more balance in miidfielld and probably stop the centrebacks pratting around with the ball as much, since they'll actually have passing options.

Sterling isn't on a free by to just have one average (and I think that's being kind on him) game after another. THere are other players who can offer more and it's become baffling why we are not using them and actually, haven't even really given them a chance.

I don't know what you want me to say? I mean, I'm not that surprised as I'm sure most people want a lot more from our #10, which is reasonable and I've never said that they're wrong to want more. I want more, too, but when our #10 is Sterling then, as I said before, I have to adjust my expectations. He'd probably be one of my lower rated players actually, but that's because I think, as a team, we've done well and he's just one of the least impressive rather than him being standout poor. It'd be better if we had a good #10, Alli was performing to a good level, or if we changed formation as we just don't have anyone for that #10 slot, but Southgate is intent on sticking with it. Maybe he's wrong to do so but it's worked for him so far and, in my opinion, he deserves some leeway. Said leeway might come back to bite us in the butt, but I think we should just enjoy the ride, personally.

When I think about our team, I think our three behind Kane (Alli, Sterling, Lingard) have been our 3 least impressive players so, as I said, I'm not surprised with the general feeling of Sterling's performances. In my opinion, Alli has been the worst. Lingard links-up decently with others, is a goal threat, and creates panic with his movement, and I've already said what I think Sterling contributes to the team. I don't see Alli doing anything, though. Nothing at all except trying some fancy flicks at the oppos box which never come off.

I know nothing about the BBC website so do a lot of people vote there then? Is that the general consensus of the British public in regards to our performances?

It is the general consensus yes. Alli has generally had poor ratings which I think is fair. He was ok for 30 minutes against TUnisia and grew into the game a bit the other night...but he also played for nearly an hour pretending not to be injured which was incredibly selfish, and I'm not entirely sure why he automatically came back into the team when Loftus Cheek had done well as a replacement. If Alli came back in it should have been for Sterling, as a) that's Alli's actual position and b) Sterling had been our poorest player.

Sterling is yet to be above 4.something out of 10 and has been bottom every time. For the most part I've generally agreed with the consensus too...and this is when we're winning games so people are generally quite generous with their ratings.


Meanwhile on twitter the internet warrior brigade are again giving the papers shit because one of them ran an article pointing out that Sterling hasn't been contributing much. Again, I'd love to know where these people were when Rooney was getting ripped to pieces every time he didn't score a hat trick. Or there were callls for him to be dropped because he got pictured sitting at a bar while the rest of the England team were out clubbing. Are people only interested in claiming someone is beiing picked on when they can pretend it is due to racism? It's all a bit nonsensicle to me.
 
Reason is simple, he is having poor world cup. Stop with this "Omg City player is getting unfair treatment on ManUtd forum".

Show me a thread like this on any rival forums, lets discuss how fair this and other forums are to opposition players.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the...t-of-raheem-sterling-shops-at-primark.425985/

Any player who plays poorly is getting criticized, Linfelof who had very good world cup is criticised by few ManUtd fans, Smalling who isn't even in world cup squad is for some reason criticised.

Also Sterling isn't the only player who is getting all the criticism, check Alli's thread.

Good thread, forgot about it. Just saw my post there too one year ago.

He's one City player who I want to do well(in an England shirt more than a City shirt for obvious reason) just because of the absolutely horrific abuse he has got from the newspapers.

Yes, I must be biased against him for some incomprehensible reason :rolleyes:
 
Good thread, forgot about it. Just saw my post there too one year ago.

Yes, I must be biased against him for some incomprehensible reason :rolleyes:

Yeah, all the hate posts must be for some incomprehensible reason.

I don't get it, this is one forum where almost all the opposition players are praised when they play well, we have threads for KdB, Aguero and even fecking G.Jesus and praise the players when they do well and criticize or make fun when they don't. There isnt a rival forum where this happens. If they open thread for any rival player then it's to laugh at them with full of pathetic posts.
 
Yeah, all the hate posts must be for some incomprehensible reason.

I don't get it, this is one forum where almost all the opposition players are praised when they play well, we have threads for KdB, Aguero and even fecking G.Jesus and praise the players when they do well and criticize or make fun when they don't. There isnt a rival forum where this happens. If they open thread for any rival player then it's to laugh at them with full of pathetic posts.

"Praise all our players or we'll start comparing this place to DailyMail". Well luckily that apart from those two City fans who made those kinds of posts, the rest of the City fans on here are a decent and intelligent lot.
 
You really should stop crying about 'false equivalencies' whenever some posts a reply that you don't agree with.

It seems clear to me that some of the UK media enjoy having a scapegoat as that sort of lowest common denominator journalism seems to sell papers/attract clicks. Its Sterling at the moment, its been others in the past, including Beckham. Do you disagree with this?

As for this thread? I can't speak for the other posters but there has to be some reason why there is such an illogical and vehement condemnation of Sterling's performances. (I see on the England thread that most Utd fans are putting Sterling in their side for Sweden so perhaps this is just a thread for venting?). Maybe they genuinely believe it, maybe they are just sheep, maybe its because he plays for City and is keeping out Rashford, maybe they just don't really understand football? I would suggest that rather than a BBC social media experiment one of the best indicators will be the likelihood of Southgate dropping Sterling. Do you think this is likely? I would suggest there is virtually no chance of Sterling being dropped as, and I said this originally, he is integral to the team's success. So if its so obvious that Sterling is poor, why is his manager, who stands or falls by his decisions so keen on him?

There is no delusion or victim complex from me. My original post was completely balanced. Victim complex? I think Sterling is quite comfortable with his current position, as a City fan, I am equally happy with Sterling.

With regards to his overall goal record I am struggling to understand how that is relevant to the remainder of the World Cup.

He's been shit that's why
 
I don't know if there's stats available but I can pretty much guarantee he lost it more than anoyne on the pitch.

I'm not sure your guarantee can be worth very much.

There are stats available from whoscored who use an OPTA data feed.

Bad Control:

Trippier 4
Kane 4
Lingard 3
Sterling 2
Maguire 1
Alli 1

Passing Accuracy:

Walker 93.60%
Lingard 90.90%
Stones 90.70%
Sterling 86.40%
Maguire 82.10%
Alli 78.60%
Henderson 71.70%
Young 69.70%
Trippier 67.50%
Kane 61.90%
 
I'm not sure your guarantee can be worth very much.

There are stats available from whoscored who use an OPTA data feed.

Bad Control:

Trippier 4
Kane 4
Lingard 3
Sterling 2
Maguire 1
Alli 1

Passing Accuracy:

Walker 93.60%
Lingard 90.90%
Stones 90.70%
Sterling 86.40%
Maguire 82.10%
Alli 78.60%
Henderson 71.70%
Young 69.70%
Trippier 67.50%
Kane 61.90%

From Whoscored.com

Unsuccessful touches
Lingard - 7
Sterling - 6
Alli, Kane, RLC - 4

Dispossessed
Sterling - 7
Lingard - 3
RLC - 5

So Sterling lost possession (bad touch and dispossessed) 13 times, more than any player in England team.
 
From Whoscored.com

Unsuccessful touches
Lingard - 7
Sterling - 6
Alli, Kane, RLC - 4

Dispossessed
Sterling - 7
Lingard - 3
RLC - 5

So Sterling lost possession (bad touch and dispossessed) 13 times, more than any player in England team.

I was responding to the poster who was specifically referring to the Columbia game and my stats hold up for that game alone and he was wrong. I didn't include "Dispossessed" stat for Colombia game - I should have because it would have re-inforced the point further - he was dispossessed just once and behind others.
 
I don't know if there's stats available but I can pretty much guarantee he lost it more than anoyne on the pitch. Usually when a player loses the ball this often, it's because they are trying to create chances so are taking risks whenever they have it, and are either havig a bad game or just aren't very good at it. With Sterling, it isn't even that. So I'm not sure what it is he's doing. He gets played the ball, then just fumbles it back to the opposition whilst not really trying anything. For any other player it would be a nightmare performance, but for Sterling it just seems to have been accepted as the norm for England.
I haven't looked up the stats myself but, going from @M113FF 's post, he didn't lose it that much. Also, when he has the ball under control (so disregarding the poor touch stat) I think he's incredibly difficult to dispossess. He has that Iniesta like ability to keep his balance and the ball under control when being pressed - even out-muscling players twice his size.
I honestly think all this whining about him being picked on, has created this kind of comfort blanket around him.

To make it more obvious, imagine if Wayne Rooney had been putting in the same performances for Enlgnad that Sterling has, and then imagine what people would be having to say about it.
I have been a huge critic of Sterling's in the past so I don't think all the criticism he's currently getting is him being picked on even though I don't agree with said criticism. I mean, in past tournaments I didn't want him anywhere near the starting 11 for England (this is the 1st I think he deserves to be in the first team - mainly due to lack of options, but still), and this season for City - with everyone bigging him up due to his stats - I didn't agree with any of it. I said it time and time again - take Sterling out of Pep's team and put in Rashford or Martial and they'll do as well or better than him, and Sterling would struggle for us under José.

I think Rooney would've gotten more stick no doubt, but he was not only our captain, but a proven #10, too. I, and probably everyone else, would've had higher standards for Rooney in this position in the team than we do for Sterling.


That is kind of what I'm getting at though. Expectations seem to be really low for Sterling, to the point he basicallly doesn't HAVE to do anything other than not get sent off or singlehandedly cost us the game. As if it is impossible for us to find anyone better.

In reality, we could play Rashford and have him run in behind defences more, which would alllow Alli more space and probably Kane too, even if Rashford has an average game. We coould play Loftus Cheek and push Alli fully up as a no10, which woould give us more balance in miidfielld and probably stop the centrebacks pratting around with the ball as much, since they'll actually have passing options.

Sterling isn't on a free by to just have one average (and I think that's being kind on him) game after another. THere are other players who can offer more and it's become baffling why we are not using them and actually, haven't even really given them a chance.

I get where you're coming from and, in theory, it sounds better than what we're doing now, but I think Sterling is complementing the team enough myself to keep faith in Southgate's choices. For instance, I couldn't see any other player we have in the squad carrying the ball across the pitch and setting up Lingard the way he did vs Colombia. The only other is Ox and he's out. Lingard could carry the ball but his through balls leave a lot to be desired. Loftus-Cheek has shown he could maybe do it but I still don't know about him personally.

As for your two suggestions, I do like your idea with playing Rashford and using his runs to create space for Kane and Alli, but going off our showings so far this tournament, keeping Alli in the team over Sterling isn't something I'd be in favour of. Moving Sterling out of the #10 position for Rashford would probably give us better balance, but I think - seeing as we're playing him central anyway - I'd have Sterling take up the other box to box role opposite Lingard with Rashford occupying the #10 slot. It's a shame Alli is having such a poor tournament (not that I rate him highly anyway) as your suggestion could've been ideal.

Your 2nd suggestion isn't my cup of tea, though. Loftus-Cheek has shown some promise but I wasn't convinced he did enough to be a starter, and I've already said my problems with Alli.

I've actually been impressed with our CBs playing out from the back. They've shown a lot of composure to play out when being pressed (sometimes it's too risky for even my liking, though!) and I personally think they've played some good balls inbetween the lines to our forwards. It's just, bar Sterling, the others usually pass it back instead of taking it, turning, and driving forwards from what I've noticed.
It is the general consensus yes. Alli has generally had poor ratings which I think is fair. He was ok for 30 minutes against TUnisia and grew into the game a bit the other night...but he also played for nearly an hour pretending not to be injured which was incredibly selfish, and I'm not entirely sure why he automatically came back into the team when Loftus Cheek had done well as a replacement. If Alli came back in it should have been for Sterling, as a) that's Alli's actual position and b) Sterling had been our poorest player.

Sterling is yet to be above 4.something out of 10 and has been bottom every time. For the most part I've generally agreed with the consensus too...and this is when we're winning games so people are generally quite generous with their ratings.
Fair enough! If I had to rate our players Sterling would probably be one of my lower rated ones as well, but that's because, as a team, we've done well and he's been one of the least impressive rather than being standout poor. I'd probably rate him a 5.

I agree that if Alli had to be back in the team it should've been as a #10 because he's rubbish in this box to box role, but I wouldn't have him or Loftus-Cheek over Sterling at the moment. If anyone, it'd probably be Welbeck for me. Welbeck, like Sterling, can keep the ball in tight situations and hold off pressing players, and is one of our only players who can dribble past someone as well. I know, Welbeck's a bit of a laughing stock these days, but he has delivered for England in the past and offers what Sterling does but with goals.

Meanwhile on twitter the internet warrior brigade are again giving the papers shit because one of them ran an article pointing out that Sterling hasn't been contributing much. Again, I'd love to know where these people were when Rooney was getting ripped to pieces every time he didn't score a hat trick. Or there were callls for him to be dropped because he got pictured sitting at a bar while the rest of the England team were out clubbing. Are people only interested in claiming someone is beiing picked on when they can pretend it is due to racism? It's all a bit nonsensicle to me.
Yeah, I agree that it's nonsensical. As I said, even though I don't agree with a lot of the criticism Raheem's getting, I understand where it's coming from and don't think for one second that he's being picked on.
 
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I'm not sure your guarantee can be worth very much.

There are stats available from whoscored who use an OPTA data feed.

Bad Control:

Trippier 4
Kane 4
Lingard 3
Sterling 2
Maguire 1
Alli 1

Passing Accuracy:

Walker 93.60%
Lingard 90.90%
Stones 90.70%
Sterling 86.40%
Maguire 82.10%
Alli 78.60%
Henderson 71.70%
Young 69.70%
Trippier 67.50%
Kane 61.90%

Well, if you watch the first 5 minutes, sterling controls it badly and loses it as a result 3 times, which I remember due to face pqlming each time. So perhaps find some better stats?
 
Good thread, forgot about it. Just saw my post there too one year ago.



Yes, I must be biased against him for some incomprehensible reason :rolleyes:

The problem that thread and the whole uproar on Twitter, etc. Has inadvertently created, is that now you can't criticise his performances on the pitch without some people throwing you in the same hat as someone who criticises him for buying a sink.

Never mind that other England players in the past have had stories run about them shagging old women, videos released of them being punched in the face in their own home, or even been subjected to media attempts to hound them out of the country. So actually this is nothing new and Sterling has gotten only the very tame version of it.

There was a Mail article after the Colombia game stating "Sterling looks threatening but again is unproductive" or something...and a whoard of people on Twitter outraged at it demonstrating the papers and their continued racist campaign against him. So now you can't fairly criticise him because it will be illigitimised as being part of some bullying campaign.

The problem is Sterling has taken that on board himself, as demonstrated before the tournament when he claimed it's unfair to pick on his performances because his mum doesn't like it and it makes him scared to go out of the house or try things during the game. So now we have a player in the team and this is their attitude...and that's ok. It obviously isn't. It means he's never going to have to accept he is getting criticised because he isn't playing well.
 
Well, if you watch the first 5 minutes, sterling controls it badly and loses it as a result 3 times, which I remember due to face pqlming each time. So perhaps find some better stats?

I took your advice and re-watched the first five minutes. Sterling is involved on four occasions. Once he dribbles forward and is tackled, twice he wins free-kicks by running forward and once he loses the ball through poor control. Not quite the scenario you paint.
 
Unless he’s tapping the ball into an open net or a defender is blasting it against him for a bizarre ricochet, he can’t score.
 
Has there ever been a professional footballer to miss as much as him? He can't shoot to save his lift. How he scored 20 goals last season has me baffled.

Biggest game that comes to mind was City vs United 2-3. He was through 1v1 like 3 times in the first half and didn't hit the target once :lol:
 
What does he actually do?

Apart from running like a girl and missing chances, that is.
 
To be so wasteful is one thing. But he should never play for England again for being so selfish
 
Imagine if City replaced him with a big big money signing...

Scary.
 
Championship player lol... this place. He's been the best player on the pitch first half, literally the only danger England have offered. Stepping up time and again while the other big attackers are in hiding. Completely destroying Sweden. Deserves criticism for the other games, England best attacker today by a country mile. Poor finishing though.
 
Championship player lol... this place. He's been the best player on the pitch first half, literally the only danger England have offered. Stepping up time and again while the other big attackers are in hiding. Completely destroying Sweden. Deserves criticism for the other games, England best attacker today by a country mile. Poor finishing though.

:lol:
 
Imagine if City replaced him with a big big money signing...

Scary.

Yeah this is what I said last game. He’s not a particularly good player, and any half decent player would benefit from playing for Man City. He did so good last season because City were so good, not him.
 
Championship player lol... this place. He's been the best player on the pitch first half, literally the only danger England have offered. Stepping up time and again while the other big attackers are in hiding. Completely destroying Sweden. Deserves criticism for the other games, England best attacker today by a country mile. Poor finishing though.
What the hell are you watching? :lol: