Tinted specs? I'm just remebering back to when football was a physical game instead of the watered-down, non-contact shite we've got today.
Rafael's red card
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I didn't think it was that bad but a red is definitely justifiable, I just wish he would've actually made contact if he's going to get sent off for it.
I actually managed to miss the whole thing.
Is this it or is there something else, doesn't look like much to me.
As I said earlier, I only saw a quick glimpse of it from the back of ST2, but I called it right. How the linesman got that wrong I have no idea.
Sian Massey saying "yellow card, please" to Webb. That will upset all the ABUs who had been praising her today.
So the FA will bend the rules re; Scholes, Rooney and he won't play in the Community Shield.
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I didn't think it was a red card in the ground, and I certainly don't think it's one having seen it now.
Everytime you see a player keep the ball in the corner to run down the clock, that same sort of thing happens... how many times has a red card been shown for that
Everytime you see a player keep the ball in the corner to run down the clock, that same sort of thing happens... how many times has a red card been shown for that
Same, I don't mind Rafael doing that at all, he was one of the only players to show drive and desire in the last 10 mins, really tried to push us forward from right back FFS. For me it was in no way worse than Jones' body check which was more cynical, I really do think Webb was just pissed at everyone from both sides telling him he was shit all game. It was needless from Rafael but feck it, we need to have some more bollocks, we're a bit too placid at times.
The fact that Sian Massey was right next to it and (as MOTD2 pointed out) said "Yellow Card" ... well, that's my case right there.
Only just seen a replay of it, soft red really. You see plenty things worse than that go without a red in a weekend. If he's going to be sent off for violent conduct he might as well mean it.
If she was calling for a yellow then it baffles even more. I'd like to know his reasoning for a red. It wasn't dangerous play and he barely touched Luiz (who I don't blame for going down). It was just a lash out. I was expecting a handful of yellows to be handed out. Not a red. Fortunately, I didn't care that much!
Should not been a red...
Luiz is a twat but if Rafael doesn't kick him he doesn't get sent off. It's that simple.
Definite red. He'll learn. End.
Definite red. He'll learn. End.
This is the main thing. He'll learn from it, and thankfully it's not a big deal.
I think I saw a few people arguing he did not really make any contact with Luiz. I dont think thats a fair argument. Even if he attempted to kick the opponent then he should be off. Remember than air kick Viera did on RVN? He was still red carded for that even though he did not make any contact. Its all about the intent.
People kick each other in almost every game. Especially in the back of the legs... like I said, it's a regular occurance when people are wasting time in the corner.
Just because it happens reasonably often it doesn't mean that its acceptable. I mean people get murdered all the time in day to day life, doesn't mean murderers should get lesser sentences on the basis that others don't get caught.
Silly of Rafael. That said, wasn't there much worse two-footed retaliation from Ramires on Jones earlier? What happened with that?
And Luiz is a cnut, that we already knew.
And Luiz is a cnut, that we already knew.
Brushed under the carpet, I thought it was positively cnutish personally.
I thought it was a bit of a harsh red really. I can see the justification for it, but at that point in the game I would have thought a yellow card and a stern talking to would have been the better course of action.
The way he ran off straight away and looked to ignore the ref, did make him look very guilty though and Luiz reaction right under the linesman's nose didn't help things. Hopefully he learns from this
The way he ran off straight away and looked to ignore the ref, did make him look very guilty though and Luiz reaction right under the linesman's nose didn't help things. Hopefully he learns from this
... What a bizarre comparison.
Never a red card. Rafael's gone for a heavy swipe at the ball, probably aiming to catch Luiz in the process. Nobody really saw the back-heel coming, which made it look worse because the ball had gone.
It's a yellow card like plenty of deliberate fouls every single game.
It's a yellow card like plenty of deliberate fouls every single game.
Yellow for the both of them IMO. But it should have been a red for not taking out Luiz properly. I mean if you want to do it, do it properly ffs.
Soft. Next time Rafael should boot him into next week. If they are going to give a red for nothing he might as well get a good one.
Yellow at most. If anything, Luiz should've seen red for that elbow he threw. I do love the way Rafael doesn't take any shit.
Total bollocks. He needs to grow up.
Meh, I'd rather he play with agression and passion every single time. If we took that out of him, he might become like how Rooney is now - not bothered.
She can't see his face/where he's looking - from the direction Webb was watching it's plain as day that Rafael doesn't give a shit about where the ball is and stops following it shortly before the kick.
Have you forgotten the whole season already?
Is it just me, but did it look like Webb was going for yellow until the argument broke out, then he went red. It was like 3am and I only saw it once but to me it looked like Webb changed his mind - if so it is abysmal refereeing to be influenced by the players.
Thought the same. Was under the impression he was set to give Rafael a yellow but somehow a red came out.
Luiz is a cnut but he knew right away Rafael will get a red after kicking him back. Rafael is quite immature in handling this type of situation though.
Don't think anyone would've complained if it had been a yellow. Red is far too harsh and I was shocked when Webb brought it out.
If the argument is that regardless of contact they need to punish the intent (which is a fair argument) then Ramires should be getting a far heftier punishment.
If the argument is that regardless of contact they need to punish the intent (which is a fair argument) then Ramires should be getting a far heftier punishment.
God you must have hated Keano.....
You talk about dicipline but I think you'll find Rafaels dicipline isn't all too bad. You're making it sound like he's a psycho. Incidently, did you see Luiz when the ball went out for a throwing wrongly awarded to us? Luiz is my definition of that.
Incidently I think Rafael was beaten by skill as well because I'm sure Luiz backheeled the clearance. I think he wanted to go in strong for the ball and the man but it wasn't all that. If the linesman had any sense, she'd have looked down at the 'injured player' and saw him happy as a pig in shit.
Irrespective of Luiz's reaction (not fussed about all that panto nonsense), Rafael was an idiot for his reaction. A pretty apt end to his final third of the season, I think, as he's fallen below the standards he set in the first two-thirds of the campaign. He'll have to take his medicine.
Can you clarify your thoughts on this incident please?
Never was that a red card.
There is no consistency in these sorts of decisions. It's like yesterday Anichebe got a yellow (and the goal disallowed) for barely brushing Reina, yet Carroll got nothing but a man of the match for brutally clattering over De Gea.