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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Clean sheets
- 4
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 2
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Christ, adding Sagna and Debuchy to the debate reeks of desperation.
You can laugh it off, but Zabaleta is clearly better, I think it's even biased to think he isnt, Debuchy is arguably, Rafael at his best is better by a good margin, but Debuchy is reliable and continuous, Rafa will be the best outfield player this weak, the next one he'll get a red card or give away a penalty, always injured and hasnt had a decent run since SAF.WUM
Debuchy who's right now not playing for Arsenal? He's got one yellow card all season you WUM.
Honestly on last season form Johnson and Flanagan are better.
Maybe this is just me suffering from Hargreaves syndrome but I genuinely believe that if he played regularly this season then he'd widely be considered the best right back in the league by the end of it. He improves our attacking so much when he's fit and on form.
On one leg he won't play much.
You are both wuming Zabaleta, Azpilicueta and Ivanovic are better. And Rafael is as good as Clyne and Coleman but not clearly better.
feck off with your sensible posts here Shamu, we'll talk Flanagan anyday over Rafael.
I am talking about players over a longer period, you know Debuchy played for Newcastle in the past huh? We all know Rafa is error prone.
What's the last error your remember?
He is not error prone per say, but he is not a great marker.
Probably Leicester, maybe not fully deserved but it's utter stupidity to give the ref such a chance to give a pen.
The gif is right there on the top of this page. There's like a 0.00001 chance of being ruled a pen, which means there should be no challenge in the box because there's always a chance that some cnut will dive. Again, I'm calling you a WUM.
He fecked up against WBA dropping behind the line and making Berahino onside but feck me it is real extremes in here. Either he is the best RB out there or he is worse than Sagna and Debuchy. He is better than the 2 of them but he isn't the best.
Liverpool last season then.. It's just stupid to go into a challenge like that and especially with the referee's angle, he can give a pen even if it isnt, just rash thinking. Just like Baines' pen wasnt a pen, but Shaw gave the referee the opportunity to give one as it's just extremely risky and hard to see. Ask the majority of the opposition fans, who is better Rafa or Debuchy and I doubt it would be overly clear Rafa is seen as the better player, Rafa his best is brilliant, if he is at his best he is in the top of the league, but in the overall, Debuchy isn't really really far from him, underrated guy imo.
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There's a reason why Debuchy's "underrated". He's very poor defensively, but he's great going forward. He's an unreliable right back who's going to be the weak spot of any good team's defence. Chambers at right back has been better than Debuchy, and I'm baffled that Wenger didn't go for Aurier instead of Debuchy, even if Aurier's naive as a young player.
I'm honestly surprised that people view Rafael as being worse than Sagna, Debuchy, Coleman, and Clyne. To see @JPRouve mention that Rafael's a poor man marker made me think back to his last appearance, against Chelsea, where he almost completely marked out Hazard, which reminded me of countless more appearances where he marked out top class players (his former teammate and right-wing partner C. Ronaldo included).
It's pretty obvious that Rafael's being underrated due to his injuries. His very few appearances on the pitch make his bad moments more memorable than the good ones. I guess they'll realise Rafael's value once he leaves and we get someone who's not as good, defensively, as he is whilst offering the same attacking threat if not better.
Currently, Azpi and Zabaleta have performed better than Rafael. Ivanovic has been on par with him, with Chambers just, just below him and very close to being on par with Rafael, whilst Clyne and Coleman haven't shown the defensive solidity that Rafael does. Debuchy, though...
A lot of us rate him, but more and more of us are realising that it's hard to put your faith in someone who always injured. same old story for the last few seasons.
A very fair point regarding injuries. I'd be definitely ok with buying a reliable back up/good competition for Rafael if he can only play for about half of our games.
There is no chance Chambers has been better than Clyne and Coleman and hasn't been close to Rafael either. He has been absolutely destroyed a few times and has clearly looked like a CB being played out wide.Currently, Azpi and Zabaleta have performed better than Rafael. Ivanovic has been on par with him, with Chambers just, just below him and very close to being on par with Rafael, whilst Clyne and Coleman haven't shown the defensive solidity that Rafael does. Debuchy, though...
As would I, but it's unfair on the team to have to rely on a player who is always injured. The same can be said for our centrebacks, but I'm willing to give them a little more time(specifically Smalling and Rojo). Jones I'm wary of, Evans can't stay fit etc.
The only time I remember him being rinsed was when he played against Montero. He showed lots of naivety in that match. Other than that, though, he has been a great right back for Arsenal. He's been very good defensively and decent going forward with an excellent cross in him. I just hope Wenger keeps him there and replace him with Debuchy.
Ah what with his 2 PL red cards in his whole, 6 year, United career so far. And this is exactly what I mean, there is this stigma attached to Rafael that he's rash and likely to get sent off/concede a penalty and no matter what he does, people will just keep coming back to it. I reckon it all stems from that Red card vs Bayern all those years ago.
For the record, Zabaleta has more red cards then Rafael in the same period of time. But no one would call his rash or a red card waiting to happen.
Nothing wrong with having issues/concerns over his fitness, I do too. I have no problem with that.
Its the people that bring up the same old cliches about his being rash, poor defensively etc etc that annoys me.
It's a tough call to make to be fair. Jones is equally injury prone, if not more.
We should probably ignore him. Debuchy FFS
This reminds me of the Rooney thread - let's replace our best players
and replace all of those who are injured - goodbye to Shaw, Blind, Falcao, Di Maria, Rojo, Jones etc etc etc etc
Must be a WUM
and replace all of those who are injured - goodbye to Shaw, Blind, Falcao, Di Maria, Rojo, Jones etc etc etc etc
Must be a WUM
I said not great , i never said that he was poor and i never said that he was worse than Sagna or Debuchy.
I quite clearly said that he wasn't a great marker and that Coleman or Clyne were as good.
Rafael is probably the best RB offensively but defensively Azpilicueta, Ivanovic and Zabaleta are a lot better.
So, he's stupid for not committing a foul and doing something no right-minded ref should ever penalise? Damn, that's some logic, right there.
Only Zabaleta and Ivanovic have claims to being better than Rafael.
It's not who's currently injured, but rather who's continously injured. Rafael for instance had 28 appearances in all competions last season, and 40 the year before, 18 before that, and 28 before that. That doesn't mean he's injured, but it's been a common caf talking point the past few years simply because he's known to be injured. I'm willing to stand by him, but is his injury record going to improve? I doubt it.
Dude, Ribery...
Let's sign Debuchy then , cos he's not injured
Let's sign Debuchy then , cos he's not injured
He is injured
Knowing our luck whoever we buy will get injured anyway tbf.
See Shaw, Rojo, Herrera already this season.
Rafael's injuries are a big issue but i think it would be ideal to buy someone who can cover both flanks really. Shaw doesn't have a backup right now either and Young is even lesser Fullback than Valencia.
Ivanovic is overrated frankly. He is suited to Chelsea's structure but the greatest at one on ones or going forward.
Zabaleta maybe but he has dropped off recently too. Agree on Azpi but he's playing LB these days.
And Coleman is definitely better than Clyne. Clyne's defensive game and positioning is pretty average.
I think the best 3 for me would be Coleman, Rafael, Zabaleta. (Azpi being a LB). Put them in whatever order.
But that's not bad for a young player - I think he is brilliant - but you could probably say the same for most of the squad regarding injuries. Sometimes he was not selected but not always because he was injured.
Quite happy with him and Valencia(who has learnt a lot under LvG) as back-up
It's a bit odd that he's not been mentioned in injury updates. He is fit and available for selection, right?
About Ivanovic only, It's a matter of opinion, yours is wrong but i can't judge.
For the rest i agree.
fit for Soton
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