Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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Rafael is not really a big concern. In United's 442 team, the LB/RB get a lot of cover from the LM/RM, whoever the personnel.

Evra & Rafael can make mistakes as they aren't usually left too exposed in most games, besides the modern day LB/RB is I'd say mainly appreciated in attack, especially in the top teams and Rafael is satisfactory in this role.
 
MancFanFromManc said:
I've been hammered for giving Rafael stick on here. I keep saying he's a liability right now. Not saying he wont improve, and if he does he (and hopefully Fabio) could be our full back for years to come. Right now though, plain scary for me :nono:
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Yep one poor performance from the last what 4 or 5 good ones? There's a reason you get stick...
 
It's like people are just waiting for someone they don't rate to make a mistake. Like when Evans got sent off against CIty - my the knives were out for him that day, Rafael seems to be the target today.
 
ERICSAGOD said:
Check out the 2nd goal as well, wandering about not marking anyone.

He's OK going forward, but his defending is sometimes shocking! :mad:
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Nothing wrong with the 2nd goal, the guy was offside and the defensive line was spot on for once.
 
fecking daft as a brush for not making any attempt to clear the ball for the 3rd goal.

Unforgivable mistake.
 
Shimo said:
It's like people are just waiting for someone they don't rate to make a mistake. Like when Evans got sent off against CIty - my the knives were out for him that day, Rafael seems to be the target today.
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Yeah, that can happen, tbf. But with this one it's such an amateurish, lazy mistake that you can't help being annoyed by it.

He's still a work in progress. Once he knows that and keeps working he'll be fine.
 
ERICSAGOD said:
Check out the 2nd goal as well, wandering about not marking anyone.

He's OK going forward, but his defending is sometimes shocking! :mad:
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Ok, i've watched it. He's came inside to close the gap between him and the right sided centre back (Jones), and is in line with the rest of the back 4 (so its perfectly normal defending). The goalscorer has in a split second lost Young and its a perfectly lofted ball over the top and a sweet finish.

No way can you blame Rafael for that goal. Sometimes you gotta give credit to the opposition. If you're blaming anyone for that goal its Young but i would rather give credit to the finish.
 
It was obviously a mistake, he lost his man, it happens, but he should have been on that ball regardless. You can't hammer someone with obvious ability because of a mistake. Look At De Gea, his mistakes were just that, not a measure of his inability.
 
moses said:
It was obviously a mistake, he lost his man, it happens, but he should have been on that ball regardless. You can't hammer someone with obvious ability because of a mistake. Look At De Gea, his mistakes were just that, not a measure of his inability.
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Thing is he made such a basic mistake. Why stand and watch the ball when De Gea is rushing to his feet to get it?

Baffling. Whether he can see the man coming or not, he has to make a move and get the ball to safety.
 
TheReligion said:
Thing is he made such a basic mistake. Why stand and watch the ball when De Gea is rushing to his feet to get it?

Baffling. Whether he can see the man coming or not, he has to make a move and get the ball to safety.
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I agree, it was a shocker, but all players make them. He lost concentration, you could see him get a shock when the Bilbao player came into his peripheral vision.
 
moses said:
I agree, it was a shocker, but all players make them. He lost concentration, you could see him get a shock when the Bilbao player came into his peripheral vision.
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What worries me is his natural instincts as a defender should be kicking in. These lapses don't bode well when it comes to something so basic.
 
Brwned said:
The 3rd goal was just a one-off feck up, it's some of the other stuff he does that's still worrying...really poor positional play to allow Llorente (I think) to beat the offside trap and burst through for a one-on-one fairly early on in the game. I still find it hard to understand why his defensive deficiencies are so easily overlooked or why the criticisms are so easily laughed off, personally.
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fecking hell, you were the one giving Gibbs a caning the other day. What did I say...
 
If i am not mistaken he was only looking over his shoulder towards the middle of the field, he totally overlooked the run of Munian.

Loss of concentration imo. He should be looking around since he was the last defender in front of De Gea and taken control of the situation, seeing as De Gea was struggling to clear the ball.
 
TheReligion said:
What worries me is his natural instincts as a defender should be kicking in. These lapses don't bode well when it comes to something so basic.
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Aye, he does do it a bit, but 2 things lessen the drama for me, one being that he is young and has ability and the second being there was a lot of confusion in the lead up to that goal.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Yes your right the linesman should have gone to Specsavers.
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Exactly. It was a good defensive line which should have made the offside call easy to make. Rafael was alright today, good going forward and he made a mistake at the end of the game. Unfortunately that's what will stick in people's heads and they'll think he played badly. He's still only 21 and in his last run of games he has been very good, but mistakes like that are all part of the learning experience and he'll know in future he has to be fully switched on throughout the game.
 
The issue with Gibbs is I have never seen him look decent since Park fecked him over in that CL game at the Emirates
 
Kraftwerker said:
It encapsulated our approach to the competition.

But let's be fair, bizarre build-up to the goal with the non free kick.
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Why was it a non free kick? The rule is clear and the ref enforced it.

I don't have a lot of time for referees, but that decision was correct.

Footballers should at least know the rules of their profession. Even the idiot 5 commentator, with his 'impressions' of the offside rule. He's getting paid a lot of money for an expert opinion - he could read the Rules of Association Football.
 
Also, I'd put that error today as much down to fatigue as anything else. Dont tell me he wouldnt have chased that down in the first 5 minutes. Dont get me wrong, still a bad mistake, but he's a player still trying to get back to full fitness in the last 5 minutes of a match you've had to do a lot of chasing in.
 
TheReligion said:
The issue with Gibbs is I have never seen him look decent since Park fecked him over in that CL game at the Emirates
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He wasn't 'fecked over' by Park, he slipped, Park miscontrolled the ball and got a lucky break. Since then he's been injured most of the time.
 
moses said:
Aye, he does do it a bit, but 2 things lessen the drama for me, one being that he is young and has ability and the second being there was a lot of confusion in the lead up to that goal.
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Yeah, that's the only mitigating thing for me. It felt as though the ref was gonna call the play back any second. You could tell a lot of the players were wondering what was going on.

Still, though, play to the fecking whistle.
 
Will Absolute said:
There's no such rule. But kicking the ball bootless is illegal.

I've seen free kicks given for that before.
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So there's no such rule but it's illegal? How do you come to that conclusion?

There is no requirement for play to be stopped for a player to put his boot on, read the other thread on the subject. You're wrong here, as was the ref.
 
Eightball said:
So there's no such rule but it's illegal? How do you come to that conclusion?

There is no requirement for play to be stopped for a player to put his boot on, read the other thread on the subject. You're wrong here, as was the ref.
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There are directives as well as 'laws', which is what confuses. I said in the other thread, I think remember the boot thing as a schoolboy footballer, you can't play the ball because without the boot a challenge from another player is dangerous.
 
Cutch said:
Also, I'd put that error today as much down to fatigue as anything else. Dont tell me he wouldnt have chased that down in the first 5 minutes. Dont get me wrong, still a bad mistake, but he's a player still trying to get back to full fitness in the last 5 minutes of a match you've had to do a lot of chasing in.
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It was a fecking horrendous mistake. Possibly the worst I've seen at Old Trafford from one of our players in several hundred games of attendance.

If people expect him to keep his place after that then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
 
peterstorey said:
He wasn't 'fecked over' by Park, he slipped, Park miscontrolled the ball and got a lucky break. Since then he's been injured most of the time.
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Parks movement tore him a new one and he almost put his hip out of joint when he realised how far out of position he was.

"slipped".
 
I'm one of his biggest fans but that mistake was unbelivable. With Vidic being injured and Ferdinand needed regular rests I think we're lacking experience in defence badly. All of Rafaels bad games seem to come when he's playing alongside inexperience as I think he gets carried away and needs someone to tell him when to be disciplined and when to be a bit more aggressive. He'll learn though.
 
that was crazy for the third bilbao goal, if he was alert, he would have managed to clear the ball away from De Gea save, what was he thinking of?
 
That goal was a clusterfeck - right from the f-ing ref to the Bilbao players, and finally to Rafael.

But lets get this right, until that brainfart, he had a good game. He was solid, and looked every bit a proper RB.

The mistake though was crucial, and even more so with us, getting a 2nd goal only minutes later. Fergie will punish him for it, and I don't expect to see him start against WBA(though he should).
 
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