Will make his mark against Liverpool, I have no doubts.
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What do you guys think? Will he start against Southhampton or Liverpool?
Doesn't look like this one is going to work out. 3 months into his career here and he hasn't shown enough to warrant the £40m+ fee that Monaco would demand.
Really hope he proves me wrong and shows form of a few seasons ago, he will certainly get more game time over the Xmas period
Really hope he proves me wrong and shows form of a few seasons ago, he will certainly get more game time over the Xmas period
He needs to be starting games. 10 Minute cameo's are not enough to show your full ability.
You don't start games when you're not fully fit.He will be a scapegoat for a lot of fans here if he starts game and put it shit performance due to lack of fitness.Patience is needed.
Agreed but there was context to the last cameo, he was always unlikely to start and an appearance of less than 20 minutes in hindsight was on the cards given a similar turn out on the weekend. Given how the games were so close and we're edging him closer to fitness, not desperately chucking him in, that was the expected scenario. A few rest days ahead now and it's easy to foresee a 60 minute start against Saints or Scouse if LVG needs it and Rooney news is grim.
Must start games. Impossible for us to properly assess him otherwise. Radamel Falcao is not a substitute. Let him play games, full games, and then - if he fails then it can be said that he fails. Bringing on a world-class centre-forward for 15 minutes in scenarios where the team is in 'take the ball into the corner flag' mode is pointless.
If Rooney is out for Southampton game (I havent heard an update) then I think Falcao may start! And rightly so, Wilson hasnt quite stamped his name into a starting role as yet, although I thought he was good yesterday, shame he didnt score or just roll in RVP to score (but strikers should be selfish and was a good run). But we want to see Falcao in the big games and potentially being our striker in the future therefore he needs to start the games now. He must have had 3 weeks full training under his belt now.
I am not saying he deserves too, but I am replying to people who are saying "it's not working out, he is passed his best". Coming on in a fast tempo game, on a cold night is not easy to get up to speed in 10 minutes. You will probably find he has never really been a sub before, it's a completely different feeling coming into a game where everybody is flying around at 110%.
He has had a few minutes now to get a little sharpness back, so starting him will be fine for Southampton IMO.
Seriously doubt it. He just looks miles off the pace.
As I said last night he's had that heavy legged, slightly clumsy look about him throughout this season, so his issues run deeper than ring-rust from the recent injury. Really struck me when he came off the bench against West Brom. He played like he was running through treacle, constantly struggling to stay upright.
Not sure what's going on to be honest but he looks woefully under-cooked right now. If he's going to start any game soon it should be for our U-21s (which VG alluded to in a recent interview)
He hasn't had the chance to show much though has he. He needs to start some games then we can make a judgement surely.
Before these last two games he looked sharp, held up the ball well, quick, good touch and contributed well.
So it doesn't really fit with the narrative that he's broken after that injury.
He should start against Southampton. Wilson did a decent job but we need more experience for that game. Wouldnt mind Rooney and him starting with RvP badly out of form
He has started a few games and come of the bench in some too. And I just don't see a £40m striker in there at all. Seems to be lacking the quality in his touch and finishing which is what made him so good at Madrid/Porto.
As I say I'm desperate for him to succeed but we are 3 months into the season and he hasn't looked fit/sharp yet.
I'm not saying he's broken after injury. I don't know what's going on to be honest. He's shown glimpses of class this season, I agree. He's a top class striker and is always capable of doing something classy. However, I'm struggling to reconcile the heavy-legged, slightly clumsy player he's often looked like this season with the lethal predator he used to be in Spain. Maybe he just needs to start a run of games to find his mojo? Would feel much happier about giving him that chance if he didn't look so hapless coming off the bench.
Its hilarious.
The phrase clutching at straws comes to mind. In all honesty, he's done naff all in 4 months, is clearly not fit, and yet people moan and moan that he doesn't start. If his name wasn't Falcao, he'd be getting destroyed.
That's true with most players with a reputation though. Because they've built that reputation for a reason and therefore people will probably show more patience to them than a random player coming in as they've seen what they can do in the past. He's got a great record so people having confidence he will score is hardly a ridiculous claim to suggest he will do well, nothing wrong with being positive.
You've got to consider how many minutes he's played. Think about what Rooney is like if he misses a week.
There's very few strikers who impact off the bench and they usually all have pace.
I'll start to judge him once he's had his minutes, I think they would have come in the U21s but the games are too thick and fast for that luxury now. When he's got some serious minutes under his belt and he still looks half the player then I will start to judge him. If we are in March and he still hasn't got those minutes, I'll start writing him off as a crock.
I'm getting frustrated with him being brought on for 10 minute cameos, I'm sure he is too.
If he's fit then he should be starting, simple as that. Its not like our other strikers are firing on all cylinders.
If he's fit then he should be starting, simple as that. Its not like our other strikers are firing on all cylinders.
Nowhere near as inept as Falcao last night.
In fact, on the very rare occasion that Rooney comes off the bench after a spell out injured he usually makes an immediate impact. The next time he starts a game he does often look a bit flat but, as far as strikers are concerned, it doesn't get much easier than playing the closing stages when the game has opened out and the opposition are tiring.
Fans just dont have any patience at all, do they? Let's give him a good run out when he's fully fit and then we can judge him
What about the closing stages where your team has retreated into its own third and you have no support?
It's one of those discussions where we could reword what we are saying 20 times and still not convince each other.
My opinion is that he's a very special player who is worth rehabilitating, because that's what is happening, I'm under no illusion that he's just coming back from any old injury. It's a long process where he will need the club and fans to give him time to get back to his best.
But as I said, I have faith in him coming good.
We're on the same page then.
My only worry is the timeframe and structure of his deal. If we'd signed him permanently I'd be extremely confident we'd see him back to his very best in 2015/16, with a full pre-season under his belt. It's the same with most new signings, the second season is where you'll see them at their best. Something which is even more likely in someone who had a serious injury relatively recently. Unfortunately, he doesn't have that luxury and the pressure is on.
Without going into 'conspiracy theories' or anything, I'm pretty sure deep down we've actually bought him in the sense the deal was structured as a one year loan with an option to buy but all parties involved know it's bullshit to arrange Monaco with FFP. Those kind of deals are going to get more and more common to circumvent FFP (I have a friend who works in a law firm often used by one of the big European clubs who told me it was their initial response to FFP).
Yeah, it does seem as though that's possible. Was certainly the rumour doing the rounds in the summer.
In which case, no drama. He can continue as a bit-part player and really show us what he's got next season.
Well according to a lot of journalists, we've basically done the deal but Monaco wanted it delayed by a loan in order to cook their books. They had the James money go through their accounts this year and the Falcao money will be next year. In terms of the FFP it's better to spread it as if it all went through the accounts this summer just gone, it wouldn't count in 5 years, this way they get breathing space.
Most people's issues is that we're stumping up £50m for a has been.
Personally I don't think that matters, I think Woodward knows how good a name like Falcao is for the status of the club and he's probably done his figures. He's not going to let the team suffer either. If there is still doubts about whether he's up to it and we've already committed to taking him on, I think we're more likely to move Van Persie on and bring someone else in and have Rooney, Wilson, Falcao and +One.
All in all, I'm really not worried about our future
it's not like we're Liverpool and just spunked £120m on shite and can't afford to remedy it.I concur. All his talk about being happy here, staying here, the #9 jersey, all that stuff, to me it's done and dusted as well just like Chicharito's move to RM.
I'd say there's a fair chance he's been Shevchenko'd. Hope not.
Haven't Real said they won't be signing Chicha on a permanent deal though?
LVG will be the one who decide whether he's fit enough but I have no doubt he will start if he's fully fit.If Rooney not coming back on time I can see LVG goes for Wilson-Falcao vs Southampton. (I'm not writing off RVP here before any of his fan jumping the gun, just stating what I think will happen)
I'm not sure actually, I think I read it somewhere and your post made me remember... but I'm not 100% sure.
I was surprised he didnt come on a bit earlier than he did, he was warming up around the hour mark but it just didnt happen. I would have thought he would have wanted to give him at least half an hour if there was any possibility of him starting against Southampton. So I assume itll be another cameo for him, at least Rooney should be fit and rested.
I desperately want him to come good for United as I am sure we all are. I am worried that he is not happy with not being started over a poor form RvP and Wilson. I know he hasn't been fit but it looks like he is ready to go. I hope he gets a start soon.
You're right, he was about to come on at 60 minutes but then we scored so van Gaal changed his mind. What this shows is that Falcao is still a long way from full fitness so he won't start any games soon. He will probably play for the reserves at some point and once he completes 60 minutes he'll be considered to start for the first team.
I hope not as well because then we'd have two Shevchenko'd strikers.
Hilarious that people are judging him on 10 and 15 min cameos.
Agree. The funny thing is he's still created chances even in the cameo's....let's see after he's started games about his contribution. I'm prepared to give him time cause these type of players rarely become available....
It's those cameos which are supposed to force a player into the starting line-up. Coming off the bench and making a real impact, so the manager has no option but to put that player in his best XI. That's how Hernandez became a first team regular at the business end of his debut season. It's not unreasonable to expect a player with a pedigree as impressive as Falcao to make a similar impression, despite not starting games.
Agreed
I dont even rate Falcao that highly, but against Hull for example, the game was already virtually over by the time he came on and whilst Falcao was trying to make an impact, the rest of the team were coasting at that point.
He deserves a start ahead of RVP and a good 60 minutes to show what he can do. Even if he cant play the full 90 it will give him an opportunity.
With Rooney out I imagine he may start vs Southampton. I suspect if Di Maria was fit we would play 4-3-3 with one up front, but without ADM we dont really have the wide options and will stick with the diamond or 3-5-2.
Jaysus, if that's him trying to make an impact...
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