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2014-15 Performances

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5.4 Season Average Rating
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29
Goals
4
Assists
5
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Loublaze said:
People overstate his pace and acceleration before his injury. He's never been a speed merchant. RVP has never been a pacy player, RVN was never a pacy player either. Falcao is no slouch though, and he still gets into good positions
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I don't really care what he was like. Right now, he's probably one of the slowest strikers in the PL. He has no acceleration at all, its like he's running in treacle. Its a major issue, especially in the Premier League.

RVP was never Usain Bolt either, but he was certainly quicker then he is now. Plus, playing with one slow striker is manageable, playing with two in a diamond, is almost impossible.
 
Loublaze said:
His movement is superb. Its the service that is sorely lacking. Rooney only wants to make cross field balls to Valencia who proceeds to cross into his marker. Do you think those strikers you mentioned would shine in this United setup? Honestly now. Even Wilson would've probably scored more goals with his limited appearances at Spurs
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I couldn't disagree more esp with regards to yesterdays game. His movement I thought was non existent.
 
Sam said:
I don't really care what he was like. Right now, he's probably one of the slowest strikers in the PL. He has no acceleration at all, its like he's running in treacle. Its a major issue, especially in the Premier League.

RVP was never Usain Bolt either, but he was certainly quicker then he is now. Plus, playing with one slow striker is manageable, playing with two in a diamond, is almost impossible.
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Agree with this.

I bet the two of them are near unplayable in 5 asides and smaller games, but we can't go on playing both, as exciting as the prospect of it felt early season.

But then I think it'd really hurt the top brass to have a quarter of a million quid sitting on the bench each week.

We need to make the most of it, steal top 4, thank Falcao and wish him well, and think again.

VP and Robben worked well in the world cup, so I can see why he tried VP and Di Maria for a bit, but Falcao and VP doesn't really work, except against smaller teams at home we'd beat whatever.
 
Loublaze said:
His movement is superb. Its the service that is sorely lacking. Rooney only wants to make cross field balls to Valencia who proceeds to cross into his marker. Do you think those strikers you mentioned would shine in this United setup? Honestly now. Even Wilson would've probably scored more goals with his limited appearances at Spurs
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Thing is, he's actually getting chances every match and he's missing them! The way you're talking it would suggest a sentiment of, "give him chances and he'll score", but he's getting chances, and he's missing them!

His first touch is literally bordering on Championship level and his movement is, imo, no better than Javier Hernandez - at best it's marginally better.

Do I think Costa would be doing better than Falcao in this United team? Yes, absolutely.

I think Ings, Austin, Kane or Berahino would all be doing notably better in this same United team.

More tellingly (or surreally depending on your view), I think Wayne Rooney would be doing far better than Falcao or RvP if played up top...
 
JUPITER said:
Thing is, he's actually getting chances every match and he's missing them! The way you're talking it would suggest a sentiment of, "give him chances and he'll score", but he's getting chances, and he's missing them!

His first touch is literally bordering on Championship level and his movement is, imo, no better than Javier Hernandez - at best it's marginally better.

Do I think Costa would be doing better than Falcao in this United team? Yes, absolutely.

I think Ings, Austin, Kane or Berahino would all be doing notably better in this same United team.

More tellingly (or surreally depending on your view), I think Wayne Rooney would be doing far better than Falcao or RvP if played up top...
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Bad form. Thats all. I said it earlier. Every player goes through it, unfortunately its at a really bad time for him, but the tactics are not helping. Costa wouldn't see as much of the ball in this team
 
If I was Wayne Rooney I would be seriously p....d that I am not playing up front, RVP and Falcao are just not working, Wilson is a mile away from the first team, and to make things worse plan 'B' seems to be either through ADM (pace) or Fellaini (height) into the mix, our BEST striker is Rooney. FFS play the best players, but in their best positions.
 
Kidders said:
If I was Wayne Rooney I would be seriously p....d that I am not playing up front, RVP and Falcao are just not working, Wilson is a mile away from the first team, and to make things worse plan 'B' seems to be either through ADM (pace) or Fellaini (height) into the mix, our BEST striker is Rooney. FFS play the best players, but in their best positions.
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It's mental, truly and utterly mental. If I was Rooney, at this point in my career, I'd leave in the summer.

Credit to him for just going along with the madness.

That said, I believe he's going along with it at the detriment of his own career, so perhaps it shouldn't be lauded, I'm not sure.
 
JUPITER said:
It's mental, truly and utterly mental. If I was Rooney, at this point in my career, I'd leave in the summer.

Credit to him for just going along with the madness.

That said, I believe he's going along with it at the detriment of his own career, so perhaps it shouldn't be lauded, I'm not sure.
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It seems you wouldn't mind Rooney doing what he's tried to do twice already in his United career
 
I'm not pro Falcao any more than pro any other player but just common sense beyond the Falcao debate. Look at Di Maria, no one can question that he came here on form, injury free. We paid 60m for the lad and look at his performances. This is simply more than RVP or Falcao's form. The flair players are forcing it, and I think LVG is overthinking it. Players don't know what the feck they are doing anymore......
 
Loublaze said:
It seems you wouldn't mind Rooney doing what he's tried to do twice already in his United career
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Well, I don't want him to leave. I think he's great.

I just meant that in all honesty, if I was a 29 year old striker who was the best striker in my squad and was being played regularly as a CM - rapidly becoming a DM - I'd leave at the first opportunity I got.

If he was 25, fair enough, but this is his final glory years as a striker and he's wasting his time deep in midfield.

Rooney and Wilson/RvP/Mata up top with a midfield of Valencia, Carrick, Herrera and ADM should be our week in - week out formation imo.

It's gotten to the point of bizarreness what we're doing with our team. It's almost like a weird dream or something. It's as if it's SO far from common sense that it's actually confused people beyond obvious critique.
 
JUPITER said:
It's mental, truly and utterly mental. If I was Rooney, at this point in my career, I'd leave in the summer.

Credit to him for just going along with the madness.

That said, I believe he's going along with it at the detriment of his own career, so perhaps it shouldn't be lauded, I'm not sure.
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And I'd let him go. If he was even considering it then he should give it serious thought because there isn't going to be a queue of top teams offering him the untouchable status he has here.
 
Raw said:
Just been reading the first few pages of this thread, never would have thought he would turn out to be this disappointing :(
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The first 10 or 20 pages of this thread are now legendary.
 
JUPITER said:
Well, I don't want him to leave. I think he's great.

I just meant that in all honesty, if I was a 29 year old striker who was the best striker in my squad and was being played regularly as a CM - rapidly becoming a DM - I'd leave at the first opportunity I got.

If he was 25, fair enough, but this is his final glory years as a striker and he's wasting his time deep in midfield.

Rooney and Wilson/RvP/Mata up top with a midfield of Valencia, Carrick, Herrera and ADM should be our week in - week out formation imo.

It's gotten to the point of bizarreness what we're doing with our team. It's almost like a weird dream or something. It's as if it's SO far from common sense that it's actually confused people beyond obvious critique.
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RVP is our best striker. Not Rooney

acnumber9 said:
And I'd let him go. If he was even considering it then he should give it serious thought because there isn't going to be a queue of top teams offering him the untouchable status he has here.
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HERE HERE!
 
Loublaze said:
RVP is our best striker. Not Rooney
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I disagree with that personally.

Wayne Rooney has been played out of position all season and has 8 PL goals. RvP has been played as CF all season and has 9...
 
JUPITER said:
I disagree with that personally.

Wayne Rooney has been played out of position all season and has 8 PL goals. RvP has been played as CF all season and has 9...
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RVP has been our top scorer for two seasons running. Since he joined us. He's been better than Rooney.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
The first 10 or 20 pages of this thread are now legendary.
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You've made the 6th most posts in a thread for a player that doesn't even play for you. Did Falcao fondle your mum or something?

That said, it's probably the most excited I've been about a United transfer. Was totally blinkered about his injury/decline and hoped that we'd see him at his Atletico/Porto best. :(
 
Loublaze said:
RVP has been our top scorer for two seasons running. Since he joined us. He's been better than Rooney.
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Like I said, I disagree with that. Last season Rooney scored 5 more PL goals and had 9 more assists.

This season he's one behind despite being played as a midfielder while RvP enjoys 90 minutes as a striker every game.

Rooney also has double RvP's assists this season.

So going by form over what is now approaching 2 years, Rooney has been the more productive player by far.
 
JUPITER said:
Like I said, I disagree with that. Last season Rooney scored 5 more PL goals and had 9 more assists.

This season he's one behind despite being played as a midfielder while RvP enjoys 90 minutes as a striker every game.

Rooney also has double RvP's assists this season.

So going by form over what is now approaching 2 years, Rooney has been the more productive player by far.
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That's all well and good but RVP's game as he has got older is to be on the end of play. Rooney's is often as a creator, set piece taker or second striker. Therefore RVP's assists will mainly be to set Rooney up. Rooney's assists could be anybody else in support of the striker. Even more so as a midfielder now with 2 strikers who have their back to the defender mostly.

I'm not arguing with you, just providing context beyond the stats. For what it's worth, I'd try benching RVP and having Rooney off Falcao up front for the Burnley game. Especially given their porous defence and lack of height.
 
JUPITER said:
Like I said, I disagree with that. Last season Rooney scored 5 more PL goals and had 9 more assists.

This season he's one behind despite being played as a midfielder while RvP enjoys 90 minutes as a striker every game.

Rooney also has double RvP's assists this season.

So going by form over what is now approaching 2 years, Rooney has been the more productive player by far.
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Rooney is a good striker with good end product (shite footballer these days). Im not saying he's bad, but the record will support the fact that RVP has been the better striker these last two seasons. Both of them don't have control of where the manager chooses to play them.
 
Loublaze said:
Rooney is a good striker with good end product (shite footballer these days). Im not saying he's bad, but the record will support the fact that RVP has been the better striker these last two seasons. Both of them don't have control of where the manager chooses to play them.
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Rooney is doing exactly what he is supposed to do, average goals and assists in double figures every season despite not being our main striker and help the team with his workrate, RVP on the other hand was signed to be our main man upfront a job he executed perfectly in his first year, he scored only 13 goals last season but he was out injured so it is understandable, this year however, he has scored only 9 goals for us which is very poor for the main striker of a top team, for the last 2 seasons, Rooney has been a better attacking player than RVP, he wasn't our top scorer but he was just 2 goals short of RVP last season which isn't significant at all, as far as this season is concerned Rooney has produced more MOTM performances than RVP, he has more goals and assists than RVP this season and he hasn't played in the Centre forward position.. i understand the need to stand by RVP after his first season, but the truth of the matter is he isn't the RVP of 2 seasons ago and we need a top striker, the mere fact that you are comparing him to Rooney who doesn't play the CF role and his stats aren't significantly higher is a good enough reason for us to start searching for a top quality striker.

People have recently been mentioning his work rate as a reason to keep him, i don't refute that at all, he has improved his performances this season but if he isn't scoring goals, isn't he just a rich man's Danny Welbeck?
 
dxadel said:
Rooney is doing exactly what he is supposed to do, average goals and assists in double figures every season despite not being our main striker and help the team with his workrate, RVP on the other hand was signed to be our main man upfront a job he executed perfectly in his first year, he scored only 13 goals last season but he was out injured so it is understandable, this year however, he has scored only 9 goals for us which is very poor for the main striker of a top team, for the last 2 seasons, Rooney has been a better attacking player than RVP, he wasn't our top scorer but he was just 2 goals short of RVP last season which isn't significant at all, as far as this season is concerned Rooney has produced more MOTM performances than RVP, he has more goals and assists than RVP this season and he hasn't played in the Centre forward position.. i understand the need to stand by RVP after his first season, but the truth of the matter is he isn't the RVP of 2 seasons ago and we need a top striker, the mere fact that you are comparing him to Rooney who doesn't play the CF role and his stats aren't significantly higher is a good enough reason for us to start searching for a top quality striker.

People have recently been mentioning his work rate as a reason to keep him, i don't refute that at all, he has improved his performances this season but if he isn't scoring goals, isn't he just a rich man's Danny Welbeck?
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By all means let's get a top forward. RVP is getting up there in age anyway. He's scored more than Rooney this season though. Rooney has 8
 
JUPITER said:
I disagree with that personally.

Wayne Rooney has been played out of position all season and has 8 PL goals. RvP has been played as CF all season and has 9...
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Agree, Rooney is the best finisher we have. RVP converts half-chances more but misses the easy ones all too often and I don't think he's as reliable a header as Rooney. One on one, I'd back Rooney to score more than anyone else in the team.

Falcao was supposed to do it all :(
 
dxadel said:
I bet you can count them with one finger though
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Nope hes has played there vs Swansea Sunderland Burnley and Southampton away and was poor. I'd like him to play up top though as he'll be more mobile but I'm not expecting miracles. He'd be miles better than Falcao though of course.
 
Cassidy said:
Nope hes has played there vs Swansea Sunderland Burnley and Southampton away and was poor. I'd like him to play up top though as he'll be more mobile but I'm not expecting miracles. He'd be miles better than Falcao though of course.
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I meant 1 hand ... oh God, 1 finger:lol:
 
shabadu84 said:
Agree, Rooney is the best finisher we have. RVP converts half-chances more but misses the easy ones all too often and I don't think he's as reliable a header as Rooney. One on one, I'd back Rooney to score more than anyone else in the team.

Falcao was supposed to do it all :(
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Totally agree.
 
We simply cannot play RVP and Falcao up front together against anyone half decent. It's like playing with 9 men. One or the other.
 
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