Or in this case, captain fantastic just fecked it up.
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Or in this case, captain fantastic just fecked it up.
Calm down.
He's got 4 goals for a team playing with the likes of Rooney, Mata and Di Maria in behind him, all the while looking slow, laboured and not anything like the Falcao of old.
If we signed any other striker and that's his output, would you be happy? If we signed any other striker for £30-35 million this summer and that's his output, would you be remotely happy or would you deem him a total flop?
Rooney's got 8 goals playing half the time in CM, RvP's got 9 and is slated for his form, Mata's got 5 from midfield... You picking me up on the Lambert comment is just lazy, it's not the point at all. My point is that Lambert is an average Premier League striker (who's got 32 goals in total in the two seasons leading up to this one), and that Falcao's performances and output is that which I'd expect from an average Premier League striker - not from Radamel bloody Falcao. Which leads me to question: What is Falcao now? I've not seen anything to suggest he's still got what he had at Porto and Atletico.
And I'm still to hear an argument: What has he done in a United shirt that any decent Premier League striker couldn't have done? Forget Lambert, what about Pelle, or Harry Kane, or Berahino? Wouldn't they provide as much if not more on the evidence of this season? I think so, which is sad.
Dont tell me to calm down, cheers. I was emphasising how shit your post was. It was hands down the shittest post I've seen since I've been on the forum. Comparing Falcao to Lambert doesn't even deserve a decent response.
Well done then - a fine argument, Sir.
Now tell me: What excactly has Falcao done in a United shirt which any average PL striker couldn't do?
I mean, most professional football strikers could tap in four goals in almost three quarters of a season for United. And I repeat I'd love him to succeed here. Please help me out, show me the cause for optimism - I just cannot see it. Honestly.
And I don't think it would be astonishing at all if we signed Lambert and he produced a similar tally, which was my point - how is it not extremely disappointing?
I'm not saying Falcao=Lambert. If you can read and comprehend basic English, I trust you to understand this.
It was what, a yard over hit? Falcao should still easily have made it.
Unless everything has to be laid perfectly on a plate for him to score?
Apparently so.
I haven't said he's worth 40 million and I doubt anybody has, but saying Lambert could make the same contribution? People are seriously underestimating what he offers and we'd look at lot worse if Lambert was up front instead of Falcao. Ridiculous.
Don't bother. Agenda posters out en masse, for some reason, defending a striker which so far looks more of a West Brom level player than a United one.
It's looking more and more likely that the Falcao of old is gone with each passing week. He doesn't have the turn of space to work a yard of space and get his shots in any more, which is why he rushes his finishes or doesn't fire a lot of the time.
I had hope that he'd get back that little yard of pace once his rustiness was gone but it's not going to happen, it's dawning on me. Get more than a bit of a Fletcher feeling about this one.
I think that's sad because I loved watching the old Falcao and it would be amazing to have a striker of that calibre at OT.
Lambert has proved a hell of a lot more in the Premier League playing for a poorer side than Falcao - but as I said ignore that, scr*w Lambert, what about Berahino or Kane or even Pelle? I mean, four goals, for a supposed world class striker? It's not world class it's average. And his overall game has been poor for the most part, he's looked sluggish and easily disposessed, with no turn of pace to get away from players.
Ignoring the price: Would you really want us to sign him this summer? Nothing would please me more than him proving me wrong and putting me to shame, but can you honestly see him suddenly turn it on as he did at Atletico? Can't you see he's gone physically, compared to those days?
Falcao has played in a team that has struggled to create in a lot of games this season, so he is having to make the most of maybe 3-4 chances at best per game, and if he doesn't make a couple of those he gets labelled as 'finished', I'd understand if we were creating lots and he wasn't doing the business but he is having to make do with shoddy service most of the time and that's why is alot harder to judge then just by the goals scored stats. Would I say he at his best? Not at all but given a run of games he could still get 15 goals or so, which wouldn't be a bad return really. In regards to signing him permanently I would try and negotiate the fee, a football club is a business after all.
Agreed on both counts.
I don't think he's had 3 or 4 chances a game, that's actually harsh on him. He did vs Spurs and Cambridge, and he fluffed them all, but that's not been the case usually.
Anyway, I think the reason he's not getting into enough positions is that he's lost the turn of pace which would have enabled him to get to the Rooney pass today, for instance. I also think it's the reason why he's seemingly rushing his finishing - he's afraid that the defenders will get to him so he fluffs the shots. See the chance Mata laid on a plate for him vs Spurs for one example.
It isn't even his missed chances which is the biggest indicator to me that he's not what he once was - it's his inability to run properly and his lack of pace. Physically he looks a shadow of his former self.
Best option would be to extend the loan by another season
Or spend that rumoured £300K a week on a top CB and a young, pacy striker which gives us options...
If we could get him for 25-30 then yes. There's only a few strikers in the world that I'd pay 40 odd million for but I've been impressed with him. People (including myself) had very high expectations for him but he's scored 4 goals in 7 starts and has 3-4 assists. He hasn't been world class but to say he's been a west brom level striker is ludicrous.
He just seems a yard off.
For £40m I'd rather use that on other areas in the team.
For £40m I'd rather use that on other areas in the team.
Man scores goal and plays well in holding up balls with back to goal - gets lambasted even more.
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Could Rooney be pushed into that poaching role and we use the money to fix the defence and sign an attacking prodigy?
Go watch Sturridge goal. Seemed like there's a little danger when he opened up to the side, and controlled Coutinho's pass. And then, BANG! a simple body move and the ball was in the net.
That's the kind of striker United should go for.
That's the kind of striker United should go for.
Had a good game today, but he needs to be more decisive. He had a couple of chances where he should have taken the shot but he was hesitant, probably lacking confidence these days.
He seems to have a good understanding with RVP and they seem to like each other. It's not often you see RVP cheering for a goal that wasn't scored by him.
He seems to have a good understanding with RVP and they seem to like each other. It's not often you see RVP cheering for a goal that wasn't scored by him.
Too early to decide if he's worth keeping imo. Give him till the end of the season. He was that good a player and so exciting to watch in his prime that I will wait months to see if that man reappears.
Also he hasn't been shit so far. He's new to he league as is Di Maria so give him time.
Also he hasn't been shit so far. He's new to he league as is Di Maria so give him time.
Falcao will be signed I'm in no doubt of that. 4 goals in 9 games is far from shabby and he's improving every game. I cant fault his work rate and application which is important. That goal is more impressive to me than a 40 yard screamer as its a goal scorers goal. He was committed and brave to score it.
The thing I've noticed about this manager, if he doesn't fancy you, you don't play irrespective of what your being paid and Falcao is now becoming a regular feature in the team. That speaks volumes to me.
The thing I've noticed about this manager, if he doesn't fancy you, you don't play irrespective of what your being paid and Falcao is now becoming a regular feature in the team. That speaks volumes to me.
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Hes not worth more than 20m at his age and coming of the injury unless hes scoring every game tbh. I think he will get there.
What will annoy me is if he regains full fitness here on loan, and then we dont get him and somebody else does and hes at full fitness and scoring like he used to.
What will annoy me is if he regains full fitness here on loan, and then we dont get him and somebody else does and hes at full fitness and scoring like he used to.
Falcao's 4 goals in 773 minutes have won us 8 points. Obviously he hasn't been playing as well as expected, but that is vital considering how close the teams around us are in the league
Then don't respond at all.
And when has one of our forwards been given a pass like that when they have been in that position.
He has also started to get use to the physical side of the PL. He stood up to some strong pressure today. He is getting better as you expect with more game time and getting use to the other players.
Don't understand the lambasting, but I suppose if we can lambast Rooney, Di Maria, RVP and the likes, he deserves everything. God forbid we actually fall out the top 4, this place will look to hang someone. If we make it, I am sure it is because we were lucky everyone below us had a shite season. All these wonderful in form teams that have yet to over take us. Must be a conspiracy.
Some on here are dissatisfied with anything less than a 5 goal game and Usain Bolt sprint speeds. Guy's coming off a serious injury, learning the EPL and scoring at a decent rate.
No need to make a decision until May on the fee. So I'm going to enjoy the ride.
No need to make a decision until May on the fee. So I'm going to enjoy the ride.
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As much as I like Falcao, signing him up long-term would be a major mistake. The Falcao we are seeing out on the pitch isn't worth 15m, much less what it would cost us in fees + wages to get him. He is a pale shadow of his previous self and even if he does come close to his former self it is hard to justify a move for a player of his age. We don't need another RVP situation with an aging striker on the decline.
I'll judge him properly at the end of the season but as of now he's been ok. I've seen almost nothing of the absolute monster that played for Atletico or Porto though, just a decent hardworking striker who seems to be lacking a yard of pace and confidence. The one moment of magic I recall was that control and volley against Everton that hit the bar.
He was OK yesterday as well. Held the ball up nicely and linked well with the other players. However I think we are making a mistake not putting Rooney up top. I think he will do a better job than Falcao is doing now in terms of output.
Does anyone here get the feeling that Mendes has us over a barrel regarding De Gea's contract and we keep playing Falcao to not upset him? I feel that if we knew for sure that Mendes is trying his best to take DDG away, we would drop Falcao to the bench and put Rooney in his place.
Does anyone here get the feeling that Mendes has us over a barrel regarding De Gea's contract and we keep playing Falcao to not upset him? I feel that if we knew for sure that Mendes is trying his best to take DDG away, we would drop Falcao to the bench and put Rooney in his place.
From our point of view, maybe. Would Mendes or even Falcao agree to it seeing that he would be 30 by the end of it and not many, if any, teams would shell out those kind of wages on an ageing striker?
Falcao is getting better every game. His touch and strength are improving and he has always been sharp around goal. My biggest worry is that United decide not to sign him and he scores 30 goals somewhere else next season.
i hope for this as well. 40 million is too much to spend on him as i'm afraid he has not justified that price tag (not yet hopefully)but i just want him to still be here next season.
if this is an option of course.
It was quite apparent yesterday he's lost a yard off pace and explosiveness which made him so lethal in front of goal. Twice the ball was played through to him and I thought he was going to finish it off first time but both the times he could't move his body quickly enough and had to take it away from goal.
With such a bigh price tag I hope we give him the skip in the summer.
With such a bigh price tag I hope we give him the skip in the summer.
I thought the was quite good today and I like how strong he with his back to goal and he never stood still which is a sign of a hungry player.
But looking at this from the point of view of signing him for a big fee (and big wages), and with Falcao it's hard to see it from any other perspective, we need to see one of two things for him to justify that.
Either we see him banging goals in for fun in a vein similar to Deigo Costa has been doing for chelsea or RVN used to for us i.e doing what a top centre forward does. Or he shows his individual class more and is a lot more likely to make things happen on his own and a lot less reliant on his team mates to be a goal threat, like someone like Suarez was last season.
The latter looks unlikely to me. He simply doesn't look the kind of player to beat a couple of defenders with a swivel of the hips and curle one in. So, in that case, let's see if he can do the former.
But looking at this from the point of view of signing him for a big fee (and big wages), and with Falcao it's hard to see it from any other perspective, we need to see one of two things for him to justify that.
Either we see him banging goals in for fun in a vein similar to Deigo Costa has been doing for chelsea or RVN used to for us i.e doing what a top centre forward does. Or he shows his individual class more and is a lot more likely to make things happen on his own and a lot less reliant on his team mates to be a goal threat, like someone like Suarez was last season.
The latter looks unlikely to me. He simply doesn't look the kind of player to beat a couple of defenders with a swivel of the hips and curle one in. So, in that case, let's see if he can do the former.
He was decent yesterday. I've defended him a fair bit on here so far. I don't think he's a bad player or he's finished or anything but I also don't think we will be keeping him after this season. I think LvG experimenting with Di Maria up top for his pace in the last few games tells us that we shouldn't have sold Welbeck. I know Welbeck isn't prolific (neither has Falcao been for us) but his pace would have stretched teams and his phenomenal work rate would mean that we could play two strikers without upsetting the team balance. I'm at a point now where I would be happy with Rooney and/or Mata behind RvP, rather than Falcao. I feel like we've spent a good chunk of the season trying to nurse a previously world class striker back to full fitness and he's still nowhere near his best. His characteristics don't particularly compliment the team (we needed a striker with a bit of pace and trickery to be an ideal adjunct to RvP), and we are having to unbalance the team a bit to shoehorn him in alongside RvP as they're both number 9s who contribute little to our all round play. Maybe it was a gamble worth taking, with little risk given that it was only a loan deal, his wages aren't much of an issue for us given all of the big earners (Rio, Vida, Evra, Giggs etc) who we got off the wage bill in the summer. In a way he has proven it was worth it as in 9 starts and 5 subs (774 mins) Falcao has 4 goals and 3 assists in the PL, whereas in 15 starts and 1 sub (1355 mins) Danny Welbeck has 4 goals and 2 assists. There's no arguing that Falcao has slightly better stats in just over half the number of minutes, however our overall team performances (which is what a lot of people on here seem to be moaning about) would probably have been better with Welbeck given that over the past 3-4 seasons he has been a key part of some of our best attacking play.
I accept that this is going to be an unpopular opinion.
I accept that this is going to be an unpopular opinion.
Come on Falcao, you've got one now's the time to keep on scoring consistently.
Exactly my thoughts, I don't think he'll recover anymore. And Falcao before the Monaco move was one of my favourite strikers of all time. Anyone who labels him with Negredo and Soldado didn't watch him enough at Atleti and Porto.
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