It didn't happen overnight though. He had an average season in a pretty poor French league. 13 in 22 (and quite a few were penalties) really isn't impressive for a player of his caliber, in a league of that standard.
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It didn't happen overnight though. He had an average season in a pretty poor French league. 13 in 22 (and quite a few were penalties) really isn't impressive for a player of his caliber, in a league of that standard.
Yep.
He seems like a nice guy and he looks to be enjoying the time here, but every passing day is more clearer that he is more trouble than he is worth.
Basically:
- he is on high wages
- he requires high fee at the end of the season
- his age is not the best to build around him
- we already have a similar player
- to fit him in the team we must drop one of our other top attacking players and play Rooney out of position
- if he is not played you have half the press, his buddies and his agent spitting shit all over the newspapers how LVG hates him and he would be a the second coming of Christ at any other club
- makes the caftards want to kill each other
So, unless he finds his feet and gets back to his best, he is not really worth it. I would say even at a smaller fee we'll be better off buying somebody younger with bags of potential than him.
Basically:
- he is on high wages
- he requires high fee at the end of the season
- his age is not the best to build around him
- we already have a similar player
- to fit him in the team we must drop one of our other top attacking players and play Rooney out of position
- if he is not played you have half the press, his buddies and his agent spitting shit all over the newspapers how LVG hates him and he would be a the second coming of Christ at any other club
- makes the caftards want to kill each other
So, unless he finds his feet and gets back to his best, he is not really worth it. I would say even at a smaller fee we'll be better off buying somebody younger with bags of potential than him.
That's half a season of football you are judging him for when half a decade before that he was smashing them in for any club he was at. Maybe it had something to do with his lack of motivation to play for a club with no fanbase in a move obviously engineered by people other than himself. Seems like he couldn't wait to get away from there.
I do agree however that we shouldn't sign him permanently unless his fortunes do change dramatically. Still believe he can turn it around.
It's a false antithesis, as he keeps pointing out rather immodestly.I've never seen someone use so many stats to prove a point. Rather than just hittting Squawka/Opta/ Fourfourtwo, how about just watching the games and make an opinion?
Unless it's used in a slanted, and/or facile way, I definitely prefer a quantitative approach to analysis. This because it's at least falsifiable, whereas 'just watch and make up your mind' spiel is just an excuse for people to post any old assertive bollocks, without ever being wrong.
Rivière has always been an ok to average player since his Saint-Étienne days, just saying that Falcao wasn't even Monaco's best striker last season. I remember they had a system with Falcao up top alone but over the course of the season they switched to a 2 man attack because Rivière was efficient and there was no way Falcao was going to get benched. Berbatov is doing well indeed but without scoring a high number of goals, he's enjoying the life over there and his football shows.
Good post and I agree, he does look off and has definitely lost the wow factor and the feel of a goal when he gets the ball. Hopefully that will come back.
No apologies needed. But thanks anyway.
I feel bad for him, he's being strangled in this team. He'll go somewhere else and bang in 40 goals a season and people will say he was crap for us, while ignoring that this team would struggle to create chances against a team full of M&S mannequins.
He has not been good enough so far, the reason for that is up to debate.
he's part of the problem , zero pace. 2nd point - he may go to italy but the days of him turning a defender of quality and taking him on are over. age and injury have done him in. and he won't be going for 40m either. monaco will be lucky to get half that.
Can't disagree with that.
A busted flush? That's absolutely ridiculous. Players have come back from much bigger injuries before. A busted acl is not the end of the world anymore. I know, I've had it done.
He has not been receiving adequate service. He'd need to be ten foot tall to reach most of the crosses that we put in. There's no point in Januzaj whipping the ball to the near post when Falcao is at the back post and vice versa. The service he has been given in general has been absolutely shocking.
He will inevitably leave at the end of the season. We won't play to his strengths so we won't get the best of him. He will go somewhere else and clean up, just like he always has.
A busted flush? That's laughable.
I don't think Chicharito or Welbeck ever received this much criticism just 5 months into their careers at United.
Their criticism arose after a good couple of seasons of being poor.
That comparison doesn't correlate here.
Look at the highest scorers over the last five/six seasons or so in Ligue 1 though. Zlatan aside (because he makes supposedly poor leagues his bitch), people don't score that highly.
Why was Welbeck not afforded the excuse of 'the service is shit' considering it was apparently shit last season too.
I have been watching closely and I am not just pretending it's all fine and someone else's fault, the guy is a spent force as a top class player. I'm not talking about having some decent movement I am talking having the ability to stretch defenders, draw them out of position (a lot of the time he can't get on the end of passes because he is so slow).
He is basically a very expensive Hernandez, more intelligent movement and probably a better finisher but a lot less pace. Set the whole team up a round him and he would be better but most players would and given his age and current ability it makes no sense to build an attack round him.
To be fair all this debate is pretty pointless because there is no way he will be here next season, whether it's falcao or LVG people want to blame it doesn't disguise the fact he has been huge flop and is not the player he was.
well there was a good reason for hernandez not to get criticized , he scored goals. when healthy and playing regularly he was a 20 goal striker for the club.
Because Wellbeck was already shit before the service itself was shit. Also, he never had even an average goalscoring season at United.
He scored 20 goals in all competitions once.
The one season he started regularly? Hernandez deserved little to no criticism for the most part of his time at United. For where we got him from and the price we paid he was a great signing. We're nowhere near being able to say that about Falcao.
And scored 18 goals in 12/13 when he was behind Rooney and RvP in the pecking order and had to contend with Welbeck and Kagawa at times for a spot. Under Fergie nobody could have any complaints about him really. Under Moyes he hardly got a chance other then 5 or 10 minute sub appearances.
Because Dat Guy Welbz has never improved and has been average throughout his career.
What season was this then?
You know it doesn't count if there was great service to the strikers at United but he was playing for a different club?
I hate to agree with Alan Shearer, but he made a good point in the Cambridge game. There were a few occasions where Falcao made great runs and the wide players checked back instead of whipping the ball in. Blind's cut back and shot in the early part of the game being a prime example.
Or Valencia's crazy spin (even if Falcao wasn't running towards the goal, he made himself available for a pass). There is too much hesitancy and not enough risk taking with the passing.
He's not done a lot wrong, and he definitely needs more support... just not sure he is the type of striker we need though. Rooney is the only one we have who can make his own chances.
There were also times when a player put a cross in and he wasn't expecting it. Particularly Januzaj late on in the second half. Falcao was near the penalty spot for that beautiful whipped cross he put right along the edge of the 6 yard line.
He is a striker that isn't scoring goals, we cannot afford to commit that much of our transfer budget to him. He might come good next season, but he might not and I would rather sign someone who is a bit more of a certainty and yes he is a lovely guy, but that isn't enough unless he starts banging the goals in.
Been a theme this season. Great balls whipped across the box which he's not getting on the end of. He looks like he's lost a yard of pace and that yard is everything when it comes to goal-poaching in the box.
I think/hope it's all to do with fitness and he'll look sharper and sharper the more games he plays but it's missing the point to simply blame others for his issues in front of goal.
yep and 18 another - pedantic but you're right. point still stands that he scored when he played. an ideal poacher. 6m to own not to loan. left his ego at the door and played his arse off for united.
True, although you could argue that after making x amount of runs for nothing, he anticipated that the ball was more likely to be held up and then whipped towards the penalty spot so he placed himself there?
It's easy to blame our strikers but they do rely on service. Something they've not had a lot of in recent weeks.
I guess the problem is he's missed some easy chances, but I still think he's looked our most dangerous striker.
I guess the problem is he's missed some easy chances, but I still think he's looked our most dangerous striker.
Looking at the majority of Ronaldo's goals this season, it's all about service service service. Great crosses to head in, nice easy cutbacks or throughballs from the likes of Ghames, Bale and the rest of the star ensembles... I doubt he would do much better than Falcao in the style we play.
I think we all know what this guy was capable off and that his current season is pretty much disappointing in regards to his potential. The true question is though if he is going to recover to his best or doing a Torres.
Atm I feel the only situation under which we should gamble on how he truns out is if we get him way cheaper from Monaco and he takes a wage cut but making a player who's future development is more than uncertain and who hasn't impressed for a huge transfer fee and the highest wages at the club seems to much of a risk to me, especially given the fact that we already have 1 1/2 great strikers of similar age already.
Atm I feel the only situation under which we should gamble on how he truns out is if we get him way cheaper from Monaco and he takes a wage cut but making a player who's future development is more than uncertain and who hasn't impressed for a huge transfer fee and the highest wages at the club seems to much of a risk to me, especially given the fact that we already have 1 1/2 great strikers of similar age already.
Why go there in the 1st place? Surely shows he is just looking for a payday, and there lies the problem - he has completely lost his hunger.
Not so much Bale assisting this season (he's mainly been grabbing and creating his own goals), but James, Isco, Benzema and Kroos have been doing a lot of that. Bale last season gave Ronaldo tonnes of one on ones with the keeper.
Also worth remembering Ronaldo has 12 assists of his own (3 less than Fabregas). He might sulk when he hasn't scored but he still passes when it's on quite often. All-around, Ronaldo's just a much better player and able to make his own space.
That was all Mendes' fault and had nothing to do Falcao at all...
That's why no-one ever mentions it
That was all Mendes' fault and had nothing to do Falcao at all...
That's why no-one ever mentions it
Mercenaries going to merce, I suppose.
He gets away with it as he does come across as a nice guy, but deep down he just loves the cash
Sign Berahino and save all that money we were willing to waste to bring him in. Just don't see him ever being the player he used to be plus we'd be preparing for the future.
I don't want to seem like a hater, considering all the other strikers have been the same as well, but I hope we don't buy him.
We already had problems with an unbalanced squad, and Falco is just making it worse.
We already had problems with an unbalanced squad, and Falco is just making it worse.
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